8:56 pm: Confirming that the Sixers have offered Grimes a one-year contract worth more than his qualifying offer (which would require him to waive his no-trade clause), Tony Jones of The Athletic reports that the Sixers and the RFA wing also have mutual interest in working out a longer-term deal.
While both sides are amenable to the idea of working out a four-year agreement, they’re far apart on what the money in such a contract would look like, Jones adds.
3:01 pm: Restricted free agent Quentin Grimes and the Sixers are still “very far apart on a deal” to resolve their summer-long standoff, Shams Charania of ESPN said in an appearance on NBA Today (Twitter video link).
Agent David Bauman told Charania that today was the first time the team made a “formal, hard offer” since free agency began. Bauman said Grimes won’t attend Philadelphia’s media day on Friday and he doesn’t plan to accompany the team this weekend to Abu Dhabi, where they’ll play two preseason games against the Knicks.
Charania points out that the Sixers have less incentive to offer a lengthy contract to Grimes after landing dynamic shooting guard VJ Edgecombe in the draft. Coupled with uncertainty over the health of stars Joel Embiid and Paul George, Philadelphia may not want to add another expensive deal to its payroll.
Charania suggests that the likely resolution appears to be Grimes either accepting the team’s $8.7MM qualifying offer, or possibly a larger one-year deal where Grimes would waive his no-trade clause. Either way, he would become an unrestricted free agent next summer when more teams will have money to spend.
Grimes was acquired from Dallas in a February trade, joining a team that was decimated by injuries and had difficulty fielding a competitive roster. He immediately became the Sixers’ offensive star, averaging a career-best 21.9 PPG in 28 games while shooting 46.9% from the field and 37.3% from three-point range.
He had hoped those numbers would lead to a lucrative new contract, but he ran into a difficult market for a number of restricted free agents. Josh Giddey reached a new deal with the Bulls, but Cam Thomas accepted his qualifying offer with Brooklyn and Jonathan Kuminga remains in a standoff with Golden State.
Charania also provided an update on Kuminga, saying he’s the only projected member of the Warriors‘ roster who is not attending a mini-camp that Jimmy Butler is holding in San Diego this week.
Kuminga is still locked in a “stalemate” with the team, and Charania said agent Aaron Turner told him on Wednesday that the Warriors’ insistence on a team option “still remains critical” in keeping the two sides from reaching an agreement.
makes no sense why Kuminga is not working out and keeping the team concept going. More bad advice from his agent.
You been trashing him for two years. Now when he’s got a foot out the door you want loyalty. Like all the loyalty Kerr showed him. He’s gone lol. Move on forget about him. Talk about what you can get for him. Reality …..
Oh jeez. Kerr showed him plenty of loyalty. If Kuminga wanted to be the “focus of the offense”, he’d be in San Diego working out with Butler. Jimmy wants to help him succeed. But, he is missing out on what can help build his career wherever that might be. Why can’t you see that?
No one else can be the ‘focus’ of an offense w/ curry , jimmy
No camp’s gonna solve that math prob
i thought he is having his break out year. So why not prove to the club how great of shape you are in and you want to play. Show the team what they are missing. Instead here you are praising him that he will be leaving because you hate the warriors.
> it makes no sense why Kuminga is not working out
> and keeping the team concept going. More bad
> advice from his agent.
Classic!
It makes no sense to whom?
He is a free agent. He has no contract. He’s not a member of the team.
Are you expecting Al Horford to show up if he doesn’t have a signed contract?
What if he gets injured during this team building exercise? Like come on now lol
He still has the QO which he said he is already signing. Wouldn’t change a thing.
How much money do you have to put on Al Horford not being there? Maybe a lifetime of slippery nipples at the purple poodle?
Do you want a picture?
Don’t speak of what you do not know.
> Don’t speak of what you do not know.
1. I suggest you re-read my post. I asked arc89 whether he thought Horford should attend the team function. That’s all. If Horford does show up, he will have signed.
2. It’s a flagrant violation of the CBA for unsigned free agents to attend team functions, including “unofficial events” or “player organized workouts”. See Article 13: Circumvention and Article 2: Team Roster: Training Camp Roster.
The rules are clear. Horford and Kuminga, like any unsigned free agent, are prohibited from participating in these events.
Is this a team function?
You know I’m playing with you, Ari. You’re my buddy. But I had to call you out here. It’s what buddies do.
Circumvent: find a way around (an obstacle.)
I don’t know Gary but it seems to me Ari has an attitude with me. Not sure what i did but he seems he doesn’t like me. Oh well its his problem not mine.
He loves you. He’s just throwing curveballs at you.
I think you do the best job of anyone here of staying calm, not getting upset and just refuting those who speak against you with your strong opinions based on a lot of fact.
We’re all entitled to opinion and I especially appreciate yours and I know Aristotle does too.
One sign of respect is someone who reads your comments and reacts to them. That means you have a lot of good things to say. I think so at least.
You’re the voice of reason. And again I truly admire how you hold your peace.
I’m not so great at that and I’ve imploded several times in the last 10 years. Not proud of those times.
But by the grace of you guys we’re still here talking sports, talking Warriors.
Keep up the good work arc I think you do a great job.
@Gary, a lot to reply to, but re Horford, who is an unsigned unrestricted free agent, the CBA specifically addresses the case of teams using “unofficial” and “player-only” team events. The CBA is clear that events don’t have to be officially team-sponsored to be considered team events.
I don’t know if Horford has signed, or whether he’s not actually playing, or whether this event somehow falls outside the purview of the CBA. If he’s there, one of those must be the case.
1. Depends if he is already there because by reports everyone is there but Kuminga. Sounds like he is there. Yes, a free agent in the NBA can work out with other players, even when not under contract. Many teams hold workouts where free agents compete against each other for a roster spot, and players also often organize informal pickup games or training sessions with other free agents and current players.
2.
In the NBA, a restricted free agent (RFA) can work out with their team in a limited capacity if the team has extended a qualifying offer. So ionce again you are WRONG!
The workout is not a team work out but Butler getting the players to gether for a team social.
Once again you pretended to know something and missed the mark by 1000 feet. Come aristole don’t make me fact check you all the time just do it your self before posting.
You can’t announce who’s there, but why have a player lead workout that’s not team sanctioned of course, before training camp unless it’s to gain familiarity with seven new faces?
They’re all there. I’ve got a lifetime of slippery nipples riding on it.
But you won’t know the location and you won’t know who’s there.
That’s by design. And it’s only three days. This is not a week in Hawaii.
It’s on the floor playing pick up and talking about favorite spots and timing. It’s balling for four hours, hanging out, being boys, and then balling for four hours in the evening.
It’s essentially off-season pick up ball among friends. Nothing more nothing less.
Remember that training camps are a lot shorter now in the NBA. What do they get, two weeks? Jimmy is a smart man don’t you forget that.
Waht makes no sense is proving how well of condition you are in and how you are ready to contribute to the team. Kuminga claimed earlier this summer how great of shape he is in. Kuminga is all talk about being a team player but needs to prove it.
Grimes still should be in New York. Love the job the front office has done, but trading him was a mistake.
Considering how much he’s been moved around. That QO for Grimes is not a bad deal. He can ask for a trade to a team he wants to sign with. He can even help Houston this year. Grimes played some point. No worse than Thompson. I don’t think Sixers want him. So he is just a trade chip for them. VJ is the future there. He will have plenty takers imo.
With Sixers everything depends on Embiid’s health.
Grimes getting substantially worse offers from Philly than Kuminga is from GSW.
Will that help JK see that signing the QO would be a mistake?
Not mentioned in the article is that the Sixers went 4-24 with Grimes. That’s 11 or 12 wins over an 82 game season. Horrible surrounding cast, sure, but that is a ghastly record. In other words, they shouldn’t be putting too much stock in his great performances for them. He just put up some great numbers on a horrible team where he was the #1 option all of a sudden.
In that same vain, the Warriors went 28-7 with Butler, who replaced Kuminga. That’s 63 wins over a season. Maybe that is why they are reluctant to go all in JK.
Yep he’s not in their mid term elections pace and these are important years for him.
Jimmy took his spot already, the whole league knows they want to sign him to be future trade bait for another veteran!
Wow the autocorrect on my phone is Amanda and amazing!
You aren’t winning 63 games, lols. When the bulls go on a three game win streak can we assume if they played like those games they’d go 82 and 0. That was a very casual and relaxed part of the shedule for Golden State. Your best players are all late 30s and last season is just that. Last season. 82 games plus playoffs is extremely long for near forty year olds.
“That was a very casual and relaxed part of the shedule for Golden State.”
Lol, post the # of teams with winning records they played and how many B2Bs there were in that part of the schedule
Well nobody has really given Grimes a real shot. Thibs did but then he got hurt. And he didn’t handle Donte competition well. Knicks couldn’t keep him and sign Brunson extension. So he was odd man out. He finally woke up in Philly lol. Got selfish and went for his stats. He has always been a team guy. Imo he can be a starter at SG. At worst he’s a solid third guard for a playoff team. Mavs should of kept him. Someone will offer him a decent deal next yr.
—- The Countdown —-
Seven days till QO for Kuminga. Warrior fans still
🥹😢😭 ……….. 🤧 ……
7 days till Horford, Melton, Payton ……. Oct 1st
If your coach doesn’t want him. Why do you care if he heaves. Get ready for the players who will be here. You trash Kuminga then you want a star and lottery picks for him. Then your FO lets it come down to signing the QO …… 🥹🥹🥲🥲😭😭.
lmao. 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣
link to google.com
Kuminga and his QO to >>>>>>> Wizards.
Bilal Coulibaly and a future pick wayyyyy in future.
😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😆😆
Kuminga >>>>>>>>. To Knickerbockers …..
Brogdon, Dadiet, Kolek >>>>>>>>. To Warriors
Kuminga >>>>>>>>>. To Grizzlies
Edey >>>>>>>>. To Warriors
Kuminga >>>>>>>>>>> To Lakers
Knecht, Hayes >>>>>>>. To Warriors
Kuminga >>>>>>>>>>. To Bucks
Sims, Trent. >>>>>>>>>>>>. To Warriors
Are you having a stroke?
KnickerbockerAl, at this point I’d be content with MURRAY and two 2nds from the Kings for Kuminga. You guys are gonna trade him eventually, Lacob and MDJ. Why not get it over with NOW? PLEASE, Lacob and MDJ. End IT. A lot of us are tired of this – Kuminga ain’t worth this much attention. He hasn’t earned his stripes. He’s a VERY flawed player – more blame for that falls on him than the Dubs’ coaching staff. You’ve offered him enough fair contracts.
TRADE KUH-MIN-GUH
TRADE KUH-MIN-GUH
TRADE KUH-MIN-GUH
AND his lame agent (lame-gent? I kinda like that, yeah)
Wow that is a lot of bad trade offers.
I like Grimes, but I’m fine if he takes the QO, and I’m fine with 3 years 14-18 per with a team option for year 3…if not I’d let him take the QO. I wouldn’t offer him any more $ or yield on the 3rd year becoming a player option. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
I know these deals are based on future ceilings and none of these guys are finished products yet, but the career VORPs so far:
Thomas: 0.3
Kuminga: 1.4
Grimes: 2.5
Giddey: 6.8
I want to see these numbers in 3 years though, they might be shockingly different.
Very interesting numbers, Davey. Yes it will be interesting to see them again in three years. Good point.
Always liked Grimes, but he is hard to price right now. Who is he? With the NYK, he was on his way to becoming a solid 2-way starting SG, but he went backwards in the face of some adversity in year 3, and the NYK FO seemed to use it as an excuse to jettison him. After a year in witness protection, I don’t know what to make of his year end run in PHI. But, IMO, it doesn’t mean he’s now a big time offensive option based on it, or that he’s even fully developed into the 2-way guy the NYK (or at least their HC) thought he could be. Of course, his agent can claim that Grimes is now a combination of the best of both, but nobody has really seen that guy play.
I think Grimes is a keeper, always have. But even I wouldn’t pay him based solely on those thoughts. Good situation for the player to take the Q/O, with a view toward seeking his own destiny. Cap space is always scarce these days, but, at his age, he’ll have lots of potential suitors.
He’d fit well in Denver. So well that I think that Grimes over Murray could be a straight upgrade for that team. And on a lot less money.
Yea, good luck getting rid of that contract of Murrays. 4 years at 52mil a year. Yikessss.
Only Sixers trade chip of any real value
Maxey VJ and McCain are the backcourt and after that we have two old and banged up stars in PG and Embiid. I’d love to see us use Grimes to get a bigger forward. John Collins is the perfect example of what we need or like a prime Marcus Morris.
Maxey VJ PG *forward* Embiid
McCain … Oubre Watford Drummond
For that spot next to McCain it’s Lowry or Gordon.
Don’t mind if they give up Drummond and Grimes to get that forward with Bona and Broome able to take that back up 5 spot.
Possible targets, Kyle Kuzma, DeAndre Hunter, Miles Bridges, Patrick Williams, Jarace Walker, Taylor Hendricks or Jonathan Issac.