September 25: VanVleet underwent successful surgery today to repair his ACL tear, reports Iko of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter).
September 22: Rockets guard Fred VanVleet has sustained a torn ACL, reports Shams Charania of ESPN.
According to Kelly Iko of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link), VanVleet suffered the right knee injury at an unofficial team mini-camp in the Bahamas. The one-time All-Star and 2019 NBA champion will undergo surgery this week, Iko adds.
It’s a devastating blow for both Houston and VanVleet, who re-signed with the Rockets this summer on a two-year, $50MM contract.
VanVleet will earn $25MM each of the next two seasons, with a player option for 2026/27 he seems likely to exercise now that he appears destined to miss the entire ’25/26 campaign with a major knee injury.
VanVleet, 31, has been one of the keys to Houston’s dramatic turnaround. The Rockets went 17-55, 20-62 and 22-60 in the three years before he signed with the team as a free agent in 2023. With VanVleet as the starting point guard, Houston had a 41-41 record in ’23/24, followed by a 52-30 mark last season.
While VanVleet took a minor statistical step back last season in several categories, averaging 14.1 points, 5.6 assists, 3.7 rebounds and 1.6 steals while shooting 34.5% on three-pointers in 60 regular season games, the Rockets were consistently better when he was on the court (+6.2) than when he was off it (+2.9).
VanVleet also had a strong playoff showing in Houston’s first-round loss to Golden State, averaging 18.7 PPG, 4.4 APG, 4.1 RPG and 1.1 SPG while shooting 43.5% from long distance in the seven-game series. When he was on the court in the playoffs, the Rockets had a +3.9 net rating in 280 minutes; in the 56 minutes he didn’t play, their net rating was an abysmal -17.1.
As ESPN’s Bobby Marks notes (via Twitter), the Rockets will likely apply for a disabled player exception in the wake of VanVleet’s injury. However, they’re hard-capped at the first apron and are currently only $1.25MM below that threshold, meaning they’re not in position to use that DPE to add a 15th man to the roster.
Given their position relative to the hard cap, the Rockets won’t be able to even sign a free agent to a minimum-salary contract until January unless they reduce their team salary in a trade.
Reed Sheppard, Amen Thompson and Aaron Holiday are among the candidates to receive more minutes and ball-handling duties for Houston in the wake of VanVleet’s unfortunate injury.
Pretty devastating news for the Rockets. FVV has declined some, but he was a stabilizing presence for the team and it was very obvious when he got hurt last year the team had troubles.
Fred was flat out awful last year. Go look at the game by game stats, he couldn’t throw a rock into an ocean most nights and was a complete liability on the defensive end.
And yet they won when he played, and lost when he didnt.
Kind of true was banged up. He showed up in playoffs though. They will miss his vet presence.
Game by game stats don’t always tell the whole story. He’s the leader of the team and an actual PG that they really don’t have on the roster besides him. They were better with him than without. That’s a fact.
41-19 when he played, 11-11 when he didn’t.
They are deep and will be fine. Udoka will fine a female assist and Rick his way out of this.
Say ……….. Rory Maher ——. the author of this post. Can you tell us all. If a player like Brogdon. On a non guaranteed camp deal. Leave to sign a guaranteed deal with another team. Like Rockets in this case ……. Thank You
LMAO
Fred VanVleet suffers ACL tear
Sep. 22, 2025, 2:59 PM CDT
Shams Charania: Just in: Houston Rockets’ Fred VanVleet has suffered a torn ACL, sources tell ESPN. A devastating, potentially season-ending loss for the Rockets with their starting point guard and leader.
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Brogdon, Smith calling all PGs. I would also look at PGs who could be traded. Sheppard can help. You need PG depth now ….. Holiday has to play now. Brogdon healthy is a good choice.
Are the Knicks going to let Brogdon out of the contract he signed?
Not guaranteed. He can just leave. Especially if Rockets guarantee one.
KnickerbockerAl:
Are you sure about this? I thought with a non-guaranteed contract, the team can let go of the player any time, but the player can only go to another team if the team is willing to terminate the contract. That was my understanding.
Look it up. I just did. He can go. Smith left Knicks for Mavs. Brogdon doesn’t have a contract. Only a training camp deal to try iut for team. He can go sign with another team.
KnickerbockerAl:
I tried looking up, but what I just read indicated he couldn’t. I’m wondering what you read that side he could. I can’t seem to find it. I’m not sure why you’re bringing up Smith though because he didn’t sign a non-guaranteed contract with the Knicks. He just had a tryout. That’s not the same situation.
O googled it. But I know Smith left Knicks.
AI Overview
Yes, a player on a non-guaranteed training camp contract can leave for another team if they are not the player’s primary choice, as the contract is not binding for the entire season. They could leave to join a different team or play overseas, but this would void any Exhibit 10 bonus they are entitled to if they join their team’s NBA G League affiliate.
Please do not use AI Overview as a source. Good grief.
Why …… I checked it out more than once. Plus this is not AI its AL overview lol. seriously I checked it out. Smith just left Knicks for Dallas. Non guaranteed deals , you can leave for a better opportunity.
I can’t claim to know this specifically about the NBA, but in other professional sports leagues a “non-guaranteed” contract does not mean the player can simply walk away from it at any time, regardless of the reason.
A non-guaranteed contract usually means the player has signed a deal in which the team can release him at any time and not be responsible for paying him any money upon his release.
If it were a guaranteed contract, then a team could still release the player at any time, but they must also pay the player the full remaining portion of his salary for the year (or entire length of time remaining in the deal, unless a player is claimed off waivers, in which case the team claiming the player would then assume the remainder of the contract).
ETA: Perhaps the NBA operates differently. But I’ve never heard of it working how you claim in any sport. The only way a player can normally walk away from a “non-guaranteed” contract is of the contract has specific terms written into it allowing them to do so.
KnickerbockerAl
Smith didn’t leave the Knicks. He just had a workout with them. He never signed a contract so that situation doesn’t compare. As far as Brogdon and the non-guaranteed contract, this is what I read:
No, a player cannot simply “leave” an NBA non-guaranteed contract to sign with any other team at any time; they are first released by the team, which can happen at any point before the NBA’s designated “guarantee date” to save money, after which the player becomes an unrestricted free agent and is free to sign with any team that offers them a contract, with no restrictions on the timing of their new deal once they become a free agent.
As far as non-guaranteed contracts are concerned, I admit I don’t really fully know what’s accurate. You could be right that he’s free to leave, but I haven’t been able to find that. Maybe you’re googling skills are better than mine lol
Do you understand the definition of a non guaranteed contract. Anyone can walk away from that player or team. Why would a team deny a player from signing a guaranteed contract elsewhere ….
KnickerbockerAl:
Well it’s hard to take you seriously when you keep talking about Dennis Smith having left Knicks. as an example. He never signed a contract. He did not have a non-guaranteed contract. He only had a workout with the team. And as far as non-guaranteed contracts go that’s for the team, not the player, as far as I know. So I think you’re wrong in this case. Players are not free to leave a contract, but teams are free to let them out of that contract whenever they want. And if there’s interest from another team, the Knicks can convert Brogdons contract into a guaranteed contract, if they so choose.
Do t care what you take serious. Go look it up.
KnickerbockerAl:
Arrogant and ignorant are a dangerous combination. You don’t know what you’re talking about even when everyone keeps telling you, but you’re just going to act like you do. Whatever. A waste of time. Dennis Smith Jr was never signed to a non-guaranteed contract by the Knicks. What’s so hard for you to comprehend? Players can’t opt out of their non-guaranteed contracts. The non-guarantee is the teams option, not the player. Go look it up.
He can’t leave he Is signed and he is the front runner to be the backup point guard. It looks like Kolek is battling shamet. Although I don’t see the point of bringing shamet back.
The rockets are not contender and never were. Kd is an upgrade but old and doesn’t play defense. Everybody that’s 36 and up is no longer a factor to win a championship and cannot carry a team to a championship. Vanvleet is too small and took a major step back this year. He was going to take another on this year. They couldn’t beat the warriors last year and the warriors honestly really weren’t that good. His career pretty much is over now unless he becomes a backup for about 4 to 8 minutes losing a year. He’s going to take another step back after the step back. He just took. Don’t think people realize 35 on down Is the end of NBA players, careers and for Superstars? They are now the second or third star on a team and can’t carry a team to a championship.
Everybody talks about LeBron. LeBron hasn’t won anything and if it wasn’t for the bubble championship we would be talking almost 7 to 8 years of not winning or going to an NBA finals. Yes, you can put up numbers at 35 but you are physically not a two-way player anymore and cannot carry a team to a championship without a crazy supporting cast or another Superstar on your team. It’s over for KD, LeBron (as the man) (he has Luka), Steph. They won’t win anymore unless they get another young Star
Now he’s the front runner ….. yeah ok.
Try buying knowledge lol.
LOL this keyboard warrior is making **** up and uses AI as his source. He’s never been wrong before in his life though!
Players under contract, including those under non-guaranteed contracts (like Exhibit 9s and 10s), are bound to the team until the team waives them.
Maybe if you spent half as much time reading & learning as you did disparaging anyone who disagreed with you, you’d be half as smart as you think you are.
I await your 500-1000 word diarrheAL response.
Hard to argue with that, Buying buckets. I spent the summer trying to convince Dubs fans – of which I am one of – Steph is not sniffing the Finals ever again unless he has a bonafide SUPERSTAR offensive threat on his side again. This is not a knock against The Chef – he’s been there, done that as the main man…TWICE. And he was willing to sacrifice his label as ‘top dawg’ so KD could have his time in the sun. But there’s little reason to believe Steph can carry this team as currently constructed, be the lone 20+ ppg getter, and persevere through 100+ games as the be-all end-all anymore. LeBron has had his 20+ ppg sidekick/savior/scapegoat (whatever you wanna call it) since the fall of 2010 – the exception being in 2018. I can’t think of any team in the league that places the burden of its scoring (clutch scoring included) on one guy that you can call a serious title threat. If the Dubs add Horford and Melton – and they keep Kuminga or get something of value for him – it will be a good offseason. But make no mistake: I won’t think for a second this somehow catapults the Dubs to title favorites. At best, they’ll be second tier – a good to really good team needing a ton of good fortune to make it out of the West.
40 comments on this post, not because of the Rockets or VanVleet, but because a self-important Knicks fan hijacked the entire topic (as per usual) with made up ideas that somehow weren’t come up with by an ignorant teenager, but by someone who regularly peruses a website that openly discusses nuances of the CBA.
Durant asking for a trade by the deadline lmao.
What makes you think he hasn’t already, with an advanced effective date.
Lol this is funny. I can picture him signing his extension and also tendering a blank trade request to be redeemed at a later date 😅
Westbrook’s agent is calling the Rockets’ FO as we read this.
Forgot about him lol ….. Westbrook and KD finally win a chip together …. Wow .. definitely happining. I see this happening today. Unreal the way the ball bounces in life ….
don’t know Rockets cap situation. But I sign both Brogdon and Westbrook …. Both minimum vets.
They can’t get Brogdon. And if the Knicks don’t sign Brogdon he pretty much mean his career is over. Basically it brogged in is still good and it’s not going to get injured. Why would the Knicks let him out of his contract? Hey brogdon gets injured or has taken too far to stop back. He won’t help the rockets anyway because he can’t play full-time minutes.
Westbrook’s career is pretty much over. I don’t understand why people don’t get that. He’s a third string guard now. And the reason why he’s not on any team is because he can’t be a player coach. How often say there’s nothing wrong with that if that’s not the role you want to take, but because he doesn’t want to take that role, he’s no longer an NBA player.
He doesn’t have a contract……. look it up. Take 5 mins to search it. I just posted the search. He has a non guaranteed training camp deal only. Non-guaranteed is the key.
Westbrook is younger than KD lol ….
You don’t listen. And you also spread misinformation in an almost boastful manner as you do so.
I just looked it up as well. Brogdon CANNOT leave his contract at any time. He would need to be released or agree to a buyout.
If he is not waived by the Knicks by January 10th, 2026, then the contract becomes guaranteed.
His current deal, which is currently non-guaranteed, is worth approximately $3.3M.
Anything else you would like to know before you go and spread more false information?
Durant literally ruined his legacy to get away from Westbrook lol.
You think Durant would have had ANY legacy if he hadn’t won those 2 Chips and 2 Finals MVPs with Golden State?
I’d say his legacy would be not much. Without ‘Chips and Finals MVP, you’re forgotten 20 years later.
Durant is currently in every NBA top 15. Steve Nash and Karl Malone have multiple MVP’s, but you won’t find them in anybody’s top 25 these days.
If KD hadn’t gone to GSW, he’d have joined Nash, Malone, Harden, Gervin, Westbrook, and Dominique on the list of names your kids will never hear.
KD is one greatest scorers ever. KD is 8th all time in scoring. He should pass Dirk and Wit this year. To move into 6th all time. Has the sixth highest scoring avg ever. Better than Brons. Real knowledge is knowing who the best were. Not who won the most chips. In the old days players didn’t chase chips. KD is a HOFer easily ……. That’s the biggest honor.
link to basketball-reference.com
Nah. No Chips, nobody remembers you.
Karl Malone was 2nd leading scorer of all-time. 2 MVP’s in the Jordan era. He won and he led and he never let his teammates down. 18 straight years in playoffs for a small-market team. Fiercest competitor in the league. I love KD but he couldn’t carry Malone’s j*ck str*p, sorry.
Today nobody outside the experts remembers Karl Malone. But they will remember KD because of the Chips.
No Chips, no
Real fans remember all of them. This winnow culture is boring. Only one team wins every year. Injuries can keep you off the right years. HOF is for best ever. They are enshrined forever. Even with no chips. You will have to search all non hof players. Nobody knows them. You think they will remember IHart or Caruso ???? They don’t win it without them. Real fans will never forget it. Who cates about bandwagneers ……..
Al, most “real fans” are senior citizens.
Most fans of today don’t “remember” Kareem and Magic and Bird because they weren’t born yet. But they know about those players because they have rings.
Look at all the Top 15 lists. Every player has a ring. That’s what makes an “All-Time Great”. KD will be one because he played for Warriors and won rings.
Barkley never won a championship and we remember him. Ditto Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, etc.
The NBA has buried Malone from popular discourse because of his off-court history, not because he wasn’t an all-time great on the court. Stockton/Malone are an all-time duo.
Malone in his heyday was the greatest PF of all-time. There have since been others to take that mantle (notably Tim Duncan immediately after).
LeBron also shattered his longevity records which is the main thing Malone had going for him in discourse. He’s simply the 2nd most durable player in NBA history now.
LeBron sitting out games every year
Kd is top 20 player of all time. Probably 16-18 on the list. As time goes on he will slip into the 20’s. Lebron has had the better career, no doubt. KD is a great scorer But I can’t put his team over the top. To me, him and LeBron are one of the same. LeBron going to Miami was the same thing as KD going to Golden State? There was no difference as in Dwyane. Wade is just like Curry finals, MVP and a top five player. And same thing when he went to Brooklyn as to when LeBron went to Cleveland. To me, both of their legacies take a hit because they jumped around and didn’t go through. The grinder actually went in championships and holding the NBA.
Now both of their careers are on the downturn just because both of them are scoring doesn’t mean they’re actually having impact and it’s why neither one of them have one in the last 4 or 5 years
“ Don’t know Rockets cap situation “
It’s in the freaking article AL
KD is going to ask out if Russ goes there lol
You know who else is out there . Payton. Payton a guy who plays D can play with Sheppard. Rockets gotta be looking everywhere lols. Best way is sign two guys. I definitely sign Westbrook as onr. Then ser who is available in a trade. Rockets are one of favorites. They have to go for it.
Payton is only a D PG whose handles on the ball is average at best. westbrook is not a PG he can bring the points but he is like Payton not a true PG and assist leader. they have better options in house.
Yeah Westbrook just made up his triple doubles. Proving me wrong shouldn’t matter lol. Respect the game. I’m talking depth. There is no starting PG available now. Unless its a big trade. But doing it by numbers also works. Its called depth as a team. Westbrook knows KDs game better than anyone. Payton adds D help. Westbrook stats are solid for his mins. All about impacting winning. Doing it with depth is always a good way to go. I would sign Westbrook today lol.
I am talking Rockets getting a guy who can be their QB and also score. Westbrook can score but he is a slash type scorer that can’t shoot 3s. They need somebody to lead the team and shoot from teh outside.
Brogdon is a no-brainer but you need another PG also because he’s always hurt.
Story is that Jrue Holliday became available when Dame fell from the sky. Portland already had Scoot and Dame is back Mid-season. You can’t pay your back up PGs $50 million a year.
Rockets gotta do something or they are a play-in team
Hold up. Did this goofy really just suggest Elfrid ****ing Payton in the year 2025.
On a team with Amen Thompson. Some of the dumbest fanboy takes I’ll ever read.
Thompson at the one. Can most definitely deal with the ball handling duties. KD and Segun can still create for themselves and others. Isn’t a PG in the league who wants this guy guarding them either. Although Amen will be guarding the best 1,2, or 3.
Amen is not an option at PG. Ime says so. Maybe with a few more years of experience but not now.
Amen is awesome defender and finisher but he’s still very shaky with the ball and he can’t make an open jumper. Defenses lay way off him when he’s not close to the basket.
Played the 1 plenty while at Houston. Have you watched them? Especially with this roster. Rockets still need a PG for depth and Sheppard was the no.3 pick, it’s time to play him some more. Lay off Thompson all you want, get down hill young man. It’s just ball handling duties then play off the ball. Where Thompson is fantastic with spacing and timing. Awesome slasher, crashes the boards etc. KD and Sengun are your play makers. I guarantee you Thompson plays the 1, alot.
I’ve seen him live at least 7 times. He is awesome at many things but he is not a primary ball-handler and he never will be.
You can’t play PG for a playoff team in the NBA without years of experience. Especially if you can’t shoot. And especially if you’re using all your energy being a defensive stopper.
Rockets are past development stage. No more experiments. KD has a couple of years left only. Rockets will acquire a real PG. book it.
We’ll see….I say you’re wrong about that.
@nrg82 you are right that we will see Amen play a few minutes of PG every game and lean on Sengun as playmaker. I’m just saying the Rockets need a true PG and Amen isn’t that guy.
First you say they’re a play in now they have to trade for a PG? Just keep flip flopping sides you’ll get it right one day
So now it comes down to how much faith the Rockets have in their back up PGs Sheppard and okogie?? they could trade for Malik Monk sending player over to kings who can flip those player to GSW for Kuminga.
Not sure of the logistics or numbers but Monk is an intriguing name for them
Okogie isn’t a PG – career apg of 1.2. (per 36, 2.2 ast)
Wow. What a blow. Looks like Shepard and Holiday have to step up. Unless they make a trade, those are their two options.
I wonder what Durant is thinking now. Is he committed to Houston? Fred is going to a year to recover. Does he sign an extension.
Why wouldn’t he be. Plenty of PG help out there. Holiday is a guy who has to help now. Imo they will sign Westbrook. They got all year to look for a trade.
We will see how Udoka handles this. Never dull huh.
They don’t have enough room under the 1st apron to sign Westbrook.
How badly does Durant want another a ring? Will the young players step up and fill the void. He’ll be 38 next season.
Please Rockets at 201 mill. They can easily open up cap room to add a vet minimum. Plus they will get an injury exception. Life has to be dull when all you see is negative. You are no better than Davey J probably celebrating this now.
Rockets are just at the start of their run. Warriors are at the end. Hating on your competition doesn’t improve your odds.
Did you even bother to read the article? They $1.2 million below the 1st apron. A Westbrook deal would cost at least $5 million. They won’t get the DPE because they are hardcapped.
Where do you get this idea that I am celebrating anything about this? That is completely stupid. I didn’t even mention the Warriors. But for some reason, you can’t think.
A Westbrook deal won’t cost $5M. He’s willing to sign for the minimum
Exhibit 9 deals are not binding contracts for a player to stay on a team thru training camp. No team is going to stop a player from receiving a guaranteed deal.
An NBA Exhibit 9 deal is a non-guaranteed training camp contract that protects the team from significant financial liability if the player suffers a significant injury during the preseason. If a player on an Exhibit 9 contract gets injured, the team is only responsible for a one-time $15,000 payment, rather than the player’s full salary, before waiving them. These deals are for one-year, minimum-salary contracts, and teams can only sign up to six players to them at a time.
Key characteristics of Exhibit 9 deals:
Injury Protection:
The main purpose is to shield the team from paying a player’s entire salary if they get hurt during training camp or the preseason.
Limited Financial Exposure:
Instead of the full salary, the team only owes a $15,000 payment upon waiving the injured player.
Non-Guaranteed:
The player’s salary is not guaranteed if they make the regular-season roster.
Time-Limited:
The Exhibit 9 clause expires once the regular season begins, and the contract becomes a standard non-guaranteed deal.
Roster and Cap Considerations:
Contracts with Exhibit 9 language cannot be signed unless the team has at least 14 other players on its roster, and they do not count against the salary cap until the regular season starts.
Roster Depth:
These contracts provide a cost-effective way for teams to bring in players for training camp to compete for the final roster spots, or even just for a chance to earn a spot on the team.
WRONG!!!
Man, are you ignorant on this topic.
The Knicks have complete control over what happens with Malcolm Brogdon at the moment.
He either makes the team, or the Knicks release him before the start of the season.
Read my previous replies to you for further details on the situation.
Dude do you not understand what non guaranteed means. Lol You can only log onto HooosRumors . Read the Exhibit 9 language. I’m not here to teach you. Be an adult and search the answer. I don’t care what you think ……..
An exhibit 9 contract is not a standard contract. You just can’t leave a contract. They are binding.
“I’m not here to teach you. Be an adult and search the answer.”
OH THE IRONY LMAO
What is it that you don’t understand? How many times can I and others explain it to you properly?
You’re a willfully ignorant person when it comes to this topic. You demonstrate that repeatedly.
If you want someone to act like an adult, take inventory of yourself. Either stop replying to this topic with your misinformation, or respond like an adult and simply acknowledge you have misspoken when it comes to Brogdon’s contract status and what it means within the rules of the NBA.
Roster spots must be set by Oct 20. Don’t let that stop you. Another genius …….
You are correct krukster, the Knicks must waive and he must clear waivers before he is free to sign.
Al we are agreeing to what you are saying. The only thing we’re not agreeing to is that as a player you can’t just leave unless cut. That’s what we’re saying. So there’s no way for the rockets to pick him up unless the Knicks drop him. And basically if the Knicks drop him there would be no point for the rockets to take him. His role is a lot less on the Knicks with his injury history. Plus I think he’s going to make the team as long as he’s healthy. Has a backup point guard. He makes sense. He is no longer a starter in the NBA any longer
There is no point to arguing a non guaranteed deal. I said from beginning no team is going to get in the way of a player. They would have to guarantee his deal. That’s the only reason for not accepting a guaranteed deal from Rockets. Camp deal is good till Oct 20th. No team is denying a player from leaving unless they want him for the YEAR ….
Non Guaranteed ——. self explanatory
Read the Exhibit 9 language. I didn’t write it.
Non-guaranteed contracts don’t become guaranteed until January. The only way he can leave for the Rockets is if he doesn’t make the team or the Knicks release him. He could probably ask for a release.
Have you ever heard of TAMPERING, genius?
How are the Rockets (or ANY team) supposed to offer a contract to a player on another team?
But by all means, show us your historical reference point of when a team let a player out of a contract so they could sign with an NBA TEAM. It happens if the player wants to leave to Europe, because guess what, different league = NOT TAMPERING.
@KbAl
You are attempting to combine two arguments into one. And you are failing at it miserably.
Your claim comes across as the following: “I don’t care about the technicalities of Brogdon’s contract. It’s non-guaranteed, and therefore, in my head, that means no team would keep him from accepting a guaranteed contract from another team. NBA owners are really nice and reasonable like that. Everybody knows this. Duh!”
But guess what, the technicalities matter — a lot. To begin with, another team (likely) can’t offer Brogdon a contract of any kind. Attempting to negotiate with him would (likely) breach the rules of the NBA concerning such matters. Why? Because Brogdon is already under contract with another NBA team. It doesn’t matter if it’s a guaranteed deal or not.
This non-guaranteed deal means the Knicks hold certain rights over Brogdon for as long as he remains signed under that deal. So, if another team wants Brogdon, they need to approach the Knicks — not Brogdon.
Upon approaching the Knicks, they could attempt to work out a trade, or attempt to get a sense of whether or not the Knicks even seem likely to keep him and wait them out to see if he gets released.
What they can’t do is go and offer Brogdon a contract of any kind. They can’t even negotiate with him. They can’t even say “Hey Malcolm, play awful during training camp so that the Knicks release you. We will sign you once that happens.”
The Knicks, as things currently stand, have control over Brogdon’s short-term future. And if they keep him on the team, then they have control over him for the entire season should they choose to retain him throughout it.
And no, the Knicks aren’t going to let Brogdon sign elsewhere if they feel he has value to their team. No team that is run properly would ever let a player walk for free just to be nice. It doesn’t work that way.
Up to this point, all you have done is demonstrate you have no clue how the business side of the NBA operates. And the reason you get this type of reply is because rather than show any degree of humility you choose to quadruple-down and then some on your incorrect stance rather than acknowledge reality.
@KbAl
“Read the Exhibit 9 language. I didn’t write it.”
We’re well aware you didn’t write it. Had you written it, perhaps you would understand it. But I kind of doubt that at this point.
Bummer
Sheppard is suppose to be the future. Was more a combo guard really. Needs a better handle. The guy can shoot lights out and is an IQ player. They need him now. Hopefully he is ready for real mins. He can give them at least 20 mins plus. They will be good. An opportunity for a trade can come during season. A Holiday is the one who has to step up now. You add Westbrook or Brogdon, Smith. You can cover PG with depth. Amen can also play some mins at PG. imo I sign Westbrook now. Then during season there could be a big trade for a PG.
JVV —— for Jrue …….
KnickerbockerAl:
As everyone keeps telling you, the rockets can’t add Brogdon. A non-guaranteed contract does not mean he can opt out. The non-guarantee is for the team, not the player.
Al, you got to humble yourself. Dude above is right. You got basketball knowledge, but I don’t think you understand the business side of things.
1) Brogdon- the Knicks are a championship team. They will not be letting Brogdon go if he has something left in the tank. He is the backup point guard and it’s his too lose.
2) Westbrook- NBA career is over. 1)KD will not play with Westbrook and he has no value in the NBA any longer unless he wants to be 3rd string NBA coach. That’s not his DNA like (ai, Carmelo, LeBron) many other stars. And there is nothing wrong with it. But his time has come to a end. I played pro ball for 6 years 35 is the end of most players careers. Father time wins. Nobody brings home a championship as the MAN(please read for you LeBron lover’s) after 36.
3) Vanvleet was already on the downside and they were going to need a trade to become contenders. This team was not a championship team and all you did swap KD ( who has not won anything outside of Curry) with Green losing Brooks as well. The rockets are cooked. There is is no option unless they can trade vanvleet. They are not beating OKC, MIN, LAC, Den or Lakers honestly.
Dude I respect your takes but disrespecting people is not cool. Educate people and casuals yes but even I have been wrong and know a lot of players and a lot about the game having played point D1 and overseas.
* By the way Board I talk text my replies and don’t fix grammatical errors*
IMO Westbrook will get signed for the vet min and play this season, even if it’s unlikely to be with the Rockets.
Yes a last minute disperation pick-up. Or a non playoff team in Dame dollar role. To sell tickets. There is a reason he is unsigned. He has no impact on winning.
Wild take….SOS Ben Simmons, lols. Non guaranteed of course. Doesn’t need to play thirty minutes. I don’t like the lack of the three point shooting with Ben and Amen but most definitely like other aspects. A defensive monster if you get anything out of Simmons. This roster isn’t constructed for ball movement. More iso for Sengun and KD to play make while the others play off the ball accordingly. Ben grabbing a long board and punching out the first few dribbles with Thompson running the floor. KD Sengun and Eason or Smith trailing would be a nightmare. Not to mention big Adams and Clint are defensive minded bangers who clean and crash the glass. Houston are still deep, just not many guards. They’re four and five heavy. Sheppard needs some burn too.
Good call, that seems like a nice fit.
What about Alec Burks? More a combo guy but at this point, beggers can’t be chooses. Burks is still solid.
He’s a 34 yo SG, can’t run the point.
So who? You been watching Burks last couple of yrs? He can fill minutes at the 1 man.
Bro I was wrong and BEN is done in the NBA. I wanted him for the Knicks thought he could pull it together but his career is over. Nobody would trust him. He got his bag and never was in it for the love of the game. Quiet on Australia, quiet on LSU, quiet on 76ers, quiet on Nets. And quite on the Knicks after his agent set his only real offer up. Dude is done and no need for the rockets. So I have to agree you are correct
Wow that sucks.. rockets already had zero depth at guard after the kd trade. Now they have nothing at all.
They were never contenders imo but should’ve been very entertaining. The kd curse is sad… Should’ve never clapped at draymond for not passing it to him immediately, and instead sprint up the court and get into position!!!
Imagine if guys around mj were this soft.. what a lame non bus driver!
What the heck.
ROCKETS still good, but FVV is the vet presence they need post-season.
Cam Payne should get a look.
Dunno who else is out there besides Russ.
Payne, Russ, Simmons, Fultz….not much unless involving a trade.
Problem with Russ, Simmons, and Fultz is you can’t play them on a roster featuring Amen Thompson.
Payne is probably the most likely. Normally I would say they’re a Tyler Kolek (or Miles McBride) suitor, but most of the roster can’t be traded until December 15th.
Tari Eason (only 5M) is their only realistic tradable player (outside of Reed at 10M), so it probably needs to be a FA.
Not everyone has to shoot the three. With spacing in today’s NBA there’s plenty of room for guys getting downhill without rim protection like in other era’s. Read my take above on Simmons if you wish, or not.
I actually like alec Burks for the Rockets. Simmons body and mind is definitely a sticking point. Who do suggest at this point and why?
Not everyone needs to shoot the three but having two players that can’t shoot outside of 15 feet is kind of a big deal for the rest of the team. KD and Sengun will have no room to operate.
The Rockets also plan on running double big lineups with either Adams/Capela next to Sengun. They can’t run two other non-shooters in those lineups.
So who was that at this stage? Lols Wasn’t aware Simmons or anyone else had to play with that particular lineup. Sengun is getting better from deep and its KD. Thompson downhill with Sengun and KD on the perimeter is a nightmare. Or you in drop coverage off those two?
Just to be clear, given the Rockets are hard-capped, they aren’t able to add a 15th man until something like halfway through the season.
Bit narrow minded. Do they really need Tate? You don’t have to answer it, all good.
Tate has a guaranteed contract and isn’t tradeable for another 3 months (Dec 15th).
Something he has in common with most players on the Rockets roster who signed new contracts this offseason.
Tate also has No-Trade veto power. As does Aaron Holiday.
Jeff Green is the only returning FA who waived his no-trade rights.
Argh Tate just signed a one yr vet minimum. You’re thinking of his previous contract….thanks for playing, lols.
Tate’s 1 year minimum means he has veto power.
Jeff Green is the only player who waived it.
Had a feeling we would see him get injured this year. Entering his early 30s, huge minutes the last bunch of years, already a few injuries pilling up, plays hard. Very unfortunate news. Hopefully he bounces back next year.
Probably a situation where the Rockets take a wait-and-see approach in the first half. Does Sheppard step up? How do things look by the deadline? If not satisfied they may look at the trade market, but of course FVV has the player option for next season which he is much more likely to opt into now. And if they do make a trade his contract may be needed for salary matching. This could very well spell the end of his time with the team if they understandably don’t wanna bet on a 33yr old PG coming off of a major injury. Leadership and intangibles can only take you so far.
In the meantime, it’ll be
*In the meantime, it’ll be bringing in whatever warm bodies they can to hold down the fort.
Exactly why I said that injuries happen in the offseason and the GSW could go and trade Kuminga before the Oct 1st deadline.
Amen Thompson odds for MIP just went through the roof.
(NBA is adverse to giving 2nd year players like Reed Sheppard the award).
I like Reed’s prospects this season a lot, clear runway now, probably ends the season as the full-time starter. They desperately need shooting/defense at the 1.
BTW, anyone suggesting Russell Westbrook as an option for the Rockets is just nostalgia-goggled and not actually considering the fit on the court (Westbrook + Amen???? KD gonna be smothered from 30 feet out). Maybe if Amen goes down and they just need an innings-eater to get through the season.
Most of the internet already treats Amen like a superstar on the rise, he’s already pretty good and blowing up, I think he will be getting MVP votes next year.
I told them not to do the trade. Fools don’t want to listen
In this new NBA you can do anything
Offer Fred VanVleet, Capela and every 1st for a good veteran PG starter. McCollum . Jrue Holiday and Grant
Maybe championship if all healthy
I said this weeks ago
“every first”
What?
Fred VanVleet, Capela and a 1st for McCollum or Jrue Holiday* my bad . Jrue Holiday would make sense
I was hoping nobody would of noticed that and also Grant
Well… looks like he’s getting dealt? They didn’t empty the coffers.
Reed Sheppard, brother Holiday, Capela and picks to Portland for Jrue Holiday
FVV and a pick for Jrue ……. Best move out there. For later on.
And sign Westbrook now.
Grimes is available and I would sign him if I was the Rockets. 38% from the 3 and 41% from the floor, shows he can shoot when needed. But his defense at SG, is what the Rockets need. Have Reed Sheppard or even Tari Eason play PG. Grimes at SG with Okie, isn’t a horrible idea.