Jonathan Kuminga has dropped out of the Warriors‘ rotation again, and sources tell Anthony Slater of ESPN that the team plans to explore trade offers in the upcoming weeks.
Kuminga didn’t get off the bench in Sunday night’s win at Chicago, even though Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Al Horford were all unavailable. That came one night after Kuminga shot 1-of-10 in 22 minutes at Cleveland, with coach Steve Kerr choosing to play Gui Santos ahead of him in the fourth quarter of a tight game. Green was seen talking to Kuminga late in that contest in an effort to calm him down, Slater adds.
“Happens to everybody pretty much, other than the stars,” Kerr responded when asked about not playing Kuminga. “Guys come in and out of the rotation, depending on who’s available, how the team is playing.”
Kuminga’s five seasons with Golden State have featured an ongoing drama about his playing time and his fit with the team. He’s coming off a summer-long contract battle as a restricted free agent where he didn’t receive an offer sheet from a rival team and the Warriors quickly abandoned any intentions for a sign-and-trade deal.
The standoff extended into the start of training camp before Kuminga accepted a two-year, $46.8MM contract with a team option for the second season. Kuminga and his agent spoke out against the team option during negotiations, but sources tell Slater that Kuminga felt forced into accepting the offer. They also say the months of talks “generated bitter feelings on both sides.”
Kuminga appeared to have moved past the contract distractions as he opened the season as the team’s starting power forward and helped the Warriors win four of their first five games. Kerr declared him to be an entrenched starter, but things changed quickly. The team stopped winning, and Kuminga was removed from the starting lineup after 13 games. Knee tendinitis forced him to miss the next seven games, and he hasn’t shot well since returning, going just 12-of-40 from the field.
Kuminga said he talked to Kerr before Sunday’s game and was told the team is moving in a different direction.
“I’m not really sure (how long it lasts),” Kuminga said. “But as long as things are working out there and we winning, I don’t see the point of switching anything, changing. Whenever my number get called, I’ll be ready.”
Because of the circumstances of his contract, Kuminga is among a small group of players who aren’t eligible to be traded until January 15. Kuminga fits into that group because he re-signed with his previous team, he got a raise exceeding 20%, his salary is worth more than the minimum, and his team was over the cap, using Bird or Early Bird rights to sign him.
League sources tell Slater that the probability of Kuminga being moved before the February 5 trade deadline is strong. The Suns and Kings expressed interest in sign-and-trade deals over the summer, but both teams’ circumstances have changed since then.
Slater notes that Kuminga’s situation is unlikely to improve before the deadline. After picking up a pair of much-needed road wins over the weekend, Golden State will have four days off before hosting Minnesota on Friday. That will give Curry and Green time to recover from their injuries, leaving fewer opportunities for Kuminga.
“I don’t have any problems,” Kuminga said. “I’m going to work out every day, stay ready, because you never know how these things works. I believe in my game and feel good about my game. I just got to be a professional. Things happen. It’s happened before.”
Straight up Monk for Kuminga, maybe Kings add a couple of seconds. Warriors get player that Kerr should like and 3.8 extra breeding room under hard cap.
Nah
Absolutely not. The Warriors don’t want that contract. Why do you think the kings have been shopping this guy for two years? He’s not filling the expectations of that agreement.
DeRozan swap.
Jonathan Kuminga cannot be traded until January 15, 2026?
The nba The closest player to Michael Jordan is Kuminga
Kuminga’s trade value is high due to his youth, athleticism, and breakout potential, making him a centerpiece in many hypothetical deals for superstars (like Giannis Antetokounmpo, AD or Sabonis)
Key Factors:
High Potential: Elite athleticism and defensive versatility.
Contract: A recent 2-year, $48.5M deal with a team option
according to whom? 🥴
Monk and what else would be my first question.
Mine would be Kuminga and what else. Monk is a productive player while Kuminga has had multiple opportunities and never taken advantage of them.
My perspective is different on kuminga but I agree on Monk.
Never happening. Giannis is en route after Jan 15 sometime…
Maybe if you give up a #1 pick.
Warriors got time to shop him. Have to get best you can get.
Allen straight up for Kiminga with GS giving Suns conditional pick
^brutal, useless trade. They’re gunning for Giannis.
I’m sure glad someone is coaching JK into saying the right thing publicly. That will only help both he and the team during this process.
Not playing him is the best move possible because he’s not playing well.
The plan was to trade him all along, as we all know, and the hope was that he could increase his value with strong, consistent performances.
Since that’s not happening, you don’t want to make matters worse by playing a guy who’s not very good, and proves it every other game.
I don’t look forward to a month of exclusively garbage time for JK but it is what it is.
He can’t make a shot and he’s not a facilitator for others. His only value right now is getting it done and scoring himself.
It’s been an ongoing public issue for years lmao
Saying right things in public isn’t fooling anyone or gonna get the warriors a better offer.
At this point it’s bad contract swap for bad contract swaps maybe a
Patrick Williams of the bulls swap
Warriors really screwed up this kids development
Lol
Facts hurt warriors messed up Kuminga and Moody
Moody’s exactly where I thought he’d be. A productive rotation player. The Warriors didn’t mess him up, he hit his ceiling. He was a late lottery pick and that’s in the range of what that kind of picks role will be.
Gapper, “facts hurt” who?
The Warriors don’t even know I exist. They have no idea I’m even alive lol.
I can’t control a thing they do so the only ones hurt are, wait for it.., them.
TAKE PATRICK WILLIAMS FOR FREE
Warriors chose Kuminga over Franz Wagner and screwed up his development
Chose Moody over Grimes Thomas and it’s taken 5 years for him to post 11 points a game playing 24 minutes a night as a former lottery pick chosen 14th overall. They ruined his development and limited his ceiling the last 4 years
Kuminga and Moody had way higher ceilings but because of GSW ineptitude and messing with minutes game in and game out they wasted two high draft picks.
Gapper, lol.
Jonathan Kuminga is responsible for his development.
The Warriors employ 11 men whose sole purpose is player development.
Either he wants it or he doesn’t.., or he’s not very good and doesn’t have the ability to develop an NBA compatible skill set.
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
But I get it. Warriors are an exemplary franchise so folks come over here and bash.
It should be considered a badge of honor.
I really don’t see it with other franchisees except for the 27 time champion Yankees or winning franchises like that where people are trying to Break down the incredible heritage.
Gary….very possibly just rehashing old news with that poster who is earily similar to Davey.
Nrg82, I think you’re right. After four years, I finally had enough and muted the guy for my own peace.
Hate to do that, but there’s just no sense coming from that side of the ledger, meaning blaming others for lack of Kuminga and Moody personal success.
Gapper = yup, thats exactly what happened.
If you ask the 5 dudes who hate me on here, they will argue only I say this, but my views are way more common and normal than theirs. Literally no one online is defending Podz and despising Moody, aside from Gary. That’s an extremist, weird, idiotic take, as Moody started every game of the 24-8 run to end the year last year. He is a great player, he needs more playing time, he should not be losing time to a very washed up Buddy Hield.
Minute Thompson was the minute GSW should have plugged in Moody and give him starter minutes see what you have in the kid. No they upped him on the bench depth chart giving him 22 minutes a night up from 17 the previous season.
After his age 21 season Kuminga should have been given the green light and Wiggins traded for help elsewhere on the roster.
But course GSW screwing with development of their two prized picks they chose the worst possible path and ruined any chance these two had at being all star level players.
You are correct again, but to be fair, KD was who GSW wanted, KD and Kuminga are a bit better fit than Kuminga and Butler.
Since DAY ONE Kuminga and Moody and even Jackson-Davis should have seen 20+ MPG each. The development of Post looks kinda like how they should have treated TJD all along.
Moody and Kuminga both have all-star ceilings, and both have flashed those ceilings in NBA games. The fact that we all saw this, and then Kerr played Lamb, Chiozza, GP2 and other lesser talents over them, is yet another way of showing how bad Kerr is at his job. The Lamb over Kuminga and Moody crap was so insulting in so many ways. Why do that to a good player?
I love Kuminga and Moody, but also, at this point, if these lunatics are committing to losing/Kerr, I would happily wave them goodbye so they can play regular minutes in regular roles, away from this idiotic Kerr crap where he refuses to do any work at any aspect of his job. Then I can curse Kerr even more, along with the idiotic front office. I don’t even understand how Lacob can watch Kerr bench his pick for no reason. Unless they are lowkey keeping him fresh for an upcoming trade…
Kuminga was the 7th pick. He was a high lottery pick. And he’ll be twice the player he is now. Once he leaves the land of the Hobbits …. I guarantee it.
I have been saying the Warriors failed him for THREE years ….
I don’t disagree, JK is a Steve “I dont develop players” Kerr special. Anthony Lamb is not an NBA level player. But he saw time over Moody and Kuminga. So awful.
How did the Warriors screw up Kuminga’s development? He’s been in the same system for 4 years. He has been asked to do the same things. Yet, he remains inconsistent. That’s on the player.
People forget. Kerr is Curry’s 4th headcoach. There were a lot question marks about him. Would he have a career that lasted more than a couple of seasons. He wasn’t a good fit. They tried to trade him, but got rejected. They lowballed him on his rookie extension contract because of doubts about him. Look how he turned out.
Inconsistent playing time his entire career. Young players need playing time esp 7th overall picks. You gotta be blind if you can’t accept the fact GSW giving Kuminga and Moody sporadic minutes their entire careers limited their development and ceiling.
7th overall
14th overall
Not like they were late 1sts or 2nd round picks everyone passed on. No they were high draft picks that were unfortunate to be given to Steve Kerr who didn’t know how to manage them and limited their potential with inconsistent playing time
It’s a Crapper, again lol.
Those two players were poor draft picks. They’re not very good.
Sow’s ear, silk purse. Get it?
Talk about blind. Who do you blame for booknight in Charlotte? And the dozen other guys you’re saying they “didn’t develop properly” lol.
How about the Sacramento Kings Marvin Bagley number two pick. Are you blaming the kings for not developing him properly? He’s on his fifth or sixth team and he still sucks. But you’re blaming the kings for not developing him.
He’s not very good. That’s the issue. Poor draft pick.
Same with JK and Moses not very Goody.
Dude don’t bother. These Warriors fans have no clue what development means. And don’t care. Cause their team doesn’t mess up players. The players they select are messed up on their own.
They were all on the Kuminga wagon at start of season. Then he gets hurt. And they are all bailing. Running over each other while jumping off ……. Looney tunes bandwagon ……
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I just want to know were all the people who said kaminga was nice and warriors are not using him right. We’re the guy who said he was elite defender and really good and the warriors should give him 95 million?
That’s the problem with people nowadays they think if you have any knowledge of something and speaking truth that you’re hating. I’m rooting for kaminga and a young brother, how ever The keys to success on life is not blaming others. At this point he has no defined role and everybody keeps coming on here saying trade for this and trade for that nobody’s trading for kamega. His contract is too high and he’s going to be a free agent and he’s most likely going to opt into that second year because he won’t get that money anywhere else. Again he needs to work on Pink and roll shooting and playing without the ball. Just being an energy player while developing his handle so he can score with the ball on his hand. We got enough to even seen plenty enough from him
For all the people saying trade this and trade that nobody wants to trade for him because he has actually no NBA role and we’ve seen what his ceiling is like. He’s at most a fifth option on the floor as a starter. So what team other than Brooklyn is going to take a swing at him and they already got two gunners on that team. The Kings will not trade for him unless the warriors take demar DeRozan (nobody wants him) He’s a washed player in a bench player at this point. Or Levine? (Top 5 worst contracts in the NBA) The warriors will trade him but the hall is not going to be crazy what people think. I’m sorry to say this, but at this point the warriors are no longer championship contenders and we’ll probably ride out the rest of Curry’s time as a middle of the pack playoff team.
Buying buckets, I’m beyond the point of trying to explain these things to some of these people.
Thank you for writing all that because it’s 100% spot on.
It has to be the jealousy of success germinating these comments.
No other way because these guys have to be watching the same thing you and I are?
How did they not see Moses Moody is horrible? How do they not see Jonathan Kuminga has no skill set and relies 100% on his physical gifts to succeed?
Players are definitely at fault just like I questioned Wiseman’s work ethic and complacency with his $50m rookie contract. That being said, let’s not be so defensive about Warriors part in it. There’s no shame admitting to it. Very poor drafting year after year and very poor development. It can only change and get better if they admit fault. What made the Warriors worse with these picks is that they still offered Poole $123m and offered Kuminga $100-150m contract. Am I lying? Why????? If they are no good and dont fit your system, just move on! Wjy keep for 5 frekin yrs and even sign him to $23m per??? Even Moody was signed to $13m per. Warriors had every opportunity to trade Kuminga away and even non-tender him but they didnt. That is the frustration. They created this chaos and distraction, and it’s also not fair to Kuminga. He has every right to leave.
You make very good points Michol.
Not true at all they have developed many players including Curry, green, Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Morris Spatts, Jordan Poole. The list goes on and on. Kevin Looney. Yes they shouldn’t have drafted Wiseman. But kaminga and those other players. It’s on you
You’re playing with Hall of famers every single day. Working out with them getting better and better. The problem is the rookie contracts are insane. 50 million for a rookie. Too 5 pick is getting 30 million over 4 years. They are already rich Rich. You also have to remember none of these kids are Hood kids anymore or kids that grew up with nothing. All NBA players now and most of the kids going to D1 college are brought up in nice house holds with trainers in top of the line AU programs. So as I explained in another post, they don’t even know how to develop themselves. You develop in the off-season. Practicing playing and then show casing in the regular season.
For all this talk about Draymond Green and Kenya Martin Draymond Green was drafted in the second round and his miles better than Kenya Mart. He impacts winning way better because he developed the ability to be great at multiple things instead of just being an enforcer who dunks and can hit a mid-range jumpshot.
Me and Curry are the same exact age and played each other in college. And we smack Davidson my freshman year, although Curry started our game and I only played 13 minutes off the bench as a freshman point guard he is no were near the player he is now. He developed his handle and the ability to beat you off the dribble. His size and being elevated to dribble drive and finish around the hoop if you think he learn that he was developed watching film lifting weights. I can tell you firsthand. He doesn’t have some god-given talent like LeBron or Vince Carter or somebody like that. Even Jordan developed his game by learning fundamentals. Now he had the athletic ability but the turnaround jump shots to shooting all that stuff. Players like LeBron and magic Johnson. Those are one for one players who developed other part of their games, but even if they didn’t have them, they still would be All-Stars.
You are clearly jealous wrt the current pay scale for NBA rookies/players overall.
“Carry On”
That’s what you got from my post. Must be Davey 2nd account. I’m done with this debate. You both have outted yourselves
@Buying Buckets
“We don’t believe you” out yourself then. Do you have a basketball-reference page or instagram that proves any of that? The posters backgrounds mean nothing around here btw, its all anonymous, thats the beauty in this place – its pure hoops takes and you have to break the other persons take down to prove them wrong or else you are just coping.
Seriously? You responded here after @Buying buckets’ breakdown below. Weak.
lmao GSW didn’t develop Harrison Barnes wtf are you talking about
His 4 years in GSW he scored 9, 9, 10, 11 a game
Minute he’s sent to Dallas he exploded to 19, 18, 17. Dallas developed him way more than GSW did
There’s no player named Morris’s Spatts. If you mean Maurice Speights was a 16th over all pick by Philly who was a rotational piece his entire career including GSW. He averaged 13 minutes a game in PHI and 14 a game in GSW. WTF do you mean developed
Jordan Poole is a high volume low efficiency scorer. The Warriors literally traded him for Chris Paul cause his value was so awful. “Developed”
Curry, Thompson, Green, Looney. Ok
Ekpe Udoh
Festus Ezeli
Damian Jones
Jacob Evans
James Wiseman
Jonathan Kuminga
Moses Moody
Patrick Baldwin
Nobody said any of that …. I have been here for every post about Kuminga. Since he was drafted.
Pretty much still the same. For both sides.
I can’t wait till he leaves ….
Warriors arent helping themselves get value back by making Kuminga look terrible.
Kuminga not playing well is lowering his value. He continues to make mistakes and turn over the ball.
Kerr is lost—he doesn’t have a rotation or system in place.. he can’t integrate new players or develop players. Kerr doesn’t have a contract extension for a reason.
Have you seen Pat Spencer play? Kinda makes your statement silly.
or Post. Last year his defense was not good but this year his defense is good. When he is in the defsne does very well.
Kerr is doing pretty good considering the FO gave him a roster with a bunch of guards barely bigger than me in an NBA getting bigger.
Kerr only plays small players though, if given bigs he lets them rot on the bench, like he has TJD
Kuminga had a +5 in the last game despite poor shooting….that PROVES his defense was elite.
Lol.
It’s funny that society today blames others instead of the person responsible. Not sure what happened to the phrases, “you can make it happen.” “You can do it.”
Today the phrase is, “they’re stopping me.” Or, “They’re not giving me an opportunity.”
Be so good they can’t ignore you !!
That’s the attitude that’s needed more often today. Just my two cents and Many will disagree. I understand that.
People don’t understand he doesn’t fit the system. As long as they can get some draft picks back for him it’s a win
both can be true
Exactly, and GSW firing Kerr is also another way they can fix this problem. Kerr’s “system” is “play 4 SGs at once”, that’s horse crap.
Amen, just said this in another post. Couldn’t agree more. Let’s stop blaming others for holding us back. There are far more people who have dealt with adversity and made it thorough.
Blaming others, lol Gary.
Very disappointing of you…. :(
So any failure that a person experiences is not his fault Michol?
I’m going to disagree with you.
Nobody is blaming others for personal failure experiemces. Hope that makes sense.
People here are blaming Warriors development coaches for Kuminga not developing.
How about constructive criticism or simply looking for ways for the team/organization to improve? Heck, Kerr gets pissed off when felllow coaches get fired for “personal failure” experiences, lol.
Personally, it’a easy to have some empathy for a player llike Kuminga who immigrated from far far away for an American nba dream as a young teenager.
sir, this is a Taco Bell.
Kuminga is looking pretty good through it all, but… GSW… not so much!
Classless organisation, right?
In my 11 years as a Warriors fan, I have never seen so much drama surrounding a player
The situation has been handled very poorly by Steve Kerr and the organization
Put some blame on lacob. Kuminga should have never been picked and traded a long time ago. lacob over ruled his scouts and wanted kuminga. Lacob also made him untouchable. Kuminga doesn’t fit the team and should get moved. Neither side is winning in all of this.
So you became a fan the year they won their first title with Curry. So a bandwagon fan. Got it
noticed that, huh mega?
Dude could be in his early 20’s for all we know and had just started following the NBA when he was 10-12. It’s perfectly reasonable to be a Warrior’s fan if you grew up in that era.
You fogies need to get over it that younger people will generally get interested & involved when a team is playing well. Stop gatekeeping rather than factioning off your damn fanbase lol.
I first started watching the Knicks during their 94 playoff run. It was something to talk about back in 5th grade. Fast forward 31 years and I’m clowning retired old men with too much time on their hands (and possible dementia).
Fogies? Clowning retired old men? How delusional are you? The mute button was made for clowns like you. Begone!
Nobody likes to follow losing teams. You don’t see many people commenting on the jazz or hornets. Takes winning and the playoffs to obtain fans.
There is a misery loves company camaraderie that exists in team sports, like Baseball or Football. The fanbases of the Yankees and Mets couldn’t be more different, despite existing in the same market.
As the NBA leans into parity in the league structure/rules, depth is going to matter more and the organizations that are run well will tend to be at the forefront. Look at OKC/DET and their ability to navigate injuries by being 12-deep as examples of this. Numerous teams are getting quality minutes out of their Two-Way contract guys (the 15th/16th man) right now.
And then you have MIL whose entire identity and team is tied up in Giannis. Once he’s gone they have nothing to sell the fans. They’ve barely developed anyone over the last decade. They regularly flush the end of their bench down the toilet. They aren’t lovable losers. Just losers.
Sorry if I started watching the nba at 13, I didnt know I had to pick a team as soon as I was born =/
its embedded in the womb, friend….
It has been, but the history of the game has shown plenty of players have managed to turn out just fine or allow their talent to shine through regardless of the imperfect circumstances surrounding them. There’s only so much blame that can go toward those parties before one has to put the majority of it on the player themselves.
Those expecting a totally different Kuminga on a new team are going to be sorely disappointed (unless their only concern would be the type of popcorn stats front offices no longer prioritize).
JB Carroll was worse but it’s getting close, lol.
Also Sprewell, Webber, and Owens.
Kerr once again flat out refusing to develop players, comes back to bite GSW.
Why is Kerr openly allowed to not do his job?
Better question, why only earth would anyone defend him over this? If anything it proves Kerr’s ONLY plan this entire time is “do whatever I want, even if it doesn’t work, because Curry will save me”. Gross. Imagine if Curry had a coach who actually wanted to win and didn’t have his team win in spite of his idiotic moves. No one told him he never had to schedule practices, he just does the half day of work because he is cooked and cruising out this contract. Kerr cannot be fired fast enough.
have you watched Kuminga’s play lately? He doesn’t have his heart into it. Trading him would be the best thing to happen. He is a not motivated and needs a new team. Post is the young star on the move up. Kerr was able to make him a good defensive player.
not only that…..anybody else notice his smirking after dumb turnovers etc.
I notice how he doesn’t listen to Kerr. Kerr told him to bring the ball up fast and not so much dribbling. He didn’t listen last time he played.
Kuminga’s last 3 games: +3, -18, +5. He is in a shooting slump, but he was shooting fine before that. If you have a positive plus minus score, then it’s a little hard to say you are playing bad. Defensively he was fine, he kept the lead. Can’t say the same about Podz.
Would you say 24pts, 9 rebounds, 8 assists was playing good, and not bad. Miles Bridges had those numbers. And was a -11. Jokic had a triple double and was only +6. his teammates were mostly in double figures in pluses. Some over 20.The pluses? The minuses? They mostly reflect teammates performances. Kuminga getting +5 while shooting poorly doesn’t relate to good defense. However, a desperate poster using +-, in this case, shows….well, desperation
Yes Claude, Podz had a terrible game with decent P/R/A raw number slash lines. Its called “Russell Westbrook syndrome” where you lose with a triple double, and then pat yourself on the back for getting the triple double, not understanding that simply GETTING the triple double, is WHY they lost to begin with. You had a ball hog concerned with his numbers and not a team player making other players better.
Plus/Minus literally reflects game score with you on the court. If you shoot 0-20 but everyone else makes their buckets and then you win the time you are out there, you played well, regardless, as what you did was a part of how they won. Kuminga’s defense was outstanding that game, yall haters will never admit it. “They mostly reflect teammates performances” – that’s pure cope, and plain incorrect. You are extremely wrong here.
Plus minus in 1 game without context is meaningless. (The context is that there were a varying 9 other players on the court with the player, teammates and opponents).
Bro why do you keep blaming Kerr. What has kaminga developed on his own? The man has played in games where Curry, Butler and green have not played. Yet the little dude with a mustache Spencer. I think his name I just I watched him last night has somehow found a role as a two-way player. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You just come on here and spill a bunch of nonsense when people who’ve played basketball understand responsible for developing yourself? Yes, the team is going to help you learn and grow. And if you can’t, play well with the top 10 NBA player of all time in Curry who draws double teams and triple teams man I don’t know what else to say
It’s just a shtick for Davey; there doesn’t have to be any logic to it. Kerr could cure cancer tomorrow and he would still go on about him. He’s too invested in the narrative to back down now regardless of the outcome.
@Sheagoodbye
Please do not speak for me. Where do you get off doing that? Bro, you NEVER speak for another man. You are also wrong: It’s 100% -NOT- shtick. Every last one of my criticisms about Kerr are based in reality and have logic behind them. You just lied on my name multiple times, where the hell do you get off doing that? I am 100% not invested in the narrative, my team is .500 when they should be top 4 if their coach did not go small ball. I only care about winning. You lied over and over here. You should be banned for this reply honestly.
The “out there” one is that he coaches bad on purpose due to mob forcing him to. I stand by it, but not as much as my actual-game coaching criticisms.
Please refrain from talking about me in future like this, its really pathetic on your end. You are not inside my brain, you hold zero value in your word now to me, and every last word you said in that reply is a flat out lie that you are simply wishcasting being true. Shut up.
Me: talks about NBA and hoops rumors
Buying Buckets: talks about me
The L: hold it. You defend Kerr, you are admitting you are clueless about ball. If Kerr was GOATed he would be able to win without Steph. He is literally 70-170 without him.
Let’s stay on topic cuz I think you don’t know how to admit or staying on any type of top pic without deflecting. We’re talking about kaminga that has nothing to do with Kerr. What is kaminga elite at? What is he going to do on another team that Kerr is holding him back that he will shine and thrive on another team. Let me hear your analysis and your breakdown at this game.
If you want to have a conversation about Keer we can. But let’s talk about kaminga first. You said I’m talking about you. I said you’re spewing nonsense. That’s hardly not talking about you that you not holding a player accountable and blaming a coach. So let’s answer the questions and let’s stay on topic if you want to go back and forth about kaminga
You started “why do you keep blaming kerr” when Kerr constantly benching Kuminga for no reason is the reason why he isn’t at his ceiling yet.
Kuminga has an elite first step to the rim. He can drive the lane as well as anyone. There, there is an elite quality. He can do almost everything well on the court. You could use him in a Lebron-style role pretty easily.
Okay I am going to give you the benefit of the Doubt and act not a troll and maybe just didn’t play basketball. So I’ll break down what you said.
A quick first step is a high school move. That not paired with a jumpshot, dribble cross or step back is easily guardable. Nobody is arguing with you that he doesn’t have athletic ability an elite athletic ability and speed. That’s why he is in the NBA. However that is not good enough to help your team.
What he is lacking is the ability to use play making when he is driving to the basket. A player stepping up cutting off his ankle because in this type of basketball as somebody who’s played overseas I can tell you that you play angle defense and not play your man straight up, you are cutting him off to the basket forcing him to shoot baseline (he seems to be about 29% on the shots) or force him to find the open man(which she is not shown an ability to do) and I not is simple as passing. You have to understand there is a 1.2 sec time to make a play playing overseas. This is the NBA so it probably less than.09 sec to make the correct play.
Next he plays thr power forward. He is 6″7 and don’t rebound enough to impact this. His boxel mechanics or not the best, therefore using his athletic ability to grab rebounds. The problem is is he’s being out work and how fundamentally rebound.
At 6’7 his position is at Small forward. However his handle is shooting selection and his ability to not play off the ball slips, pick and rolls (coming of hitting the 3 or the elbow mid range is why he doesn’t thrive.
Now I said this in the summer and I’ll say this again. You can go back and read my post. He is a jack of all trade which is the worst thing you can be in the NBA. He is good at everything and and elite at nothing. What happens is is he doesn’t have a role so therefore some nights he gives you a little bit of shooting but no defense and no rebounding other nights. He gives you some good rebounding and driving but no shooting. No defense. So it’s unpredictable and it’s hard to game plan around a player for what you don’t know what you’re going to get from him.
Last but not least he played on 3 different high school teams and mainly played AAU. This is the reason why he hasn’t developed or he doesn’t know how to develop because he was more athletic to most of the players after just watching his highlight from his AAU game s and high school (that’s why it took me a sec to respond)
Davey I don’t know you and all for the debates but if you come back with troll or no analysis to refute what I’m saying and I will not respond to anymore of your post. I try to treat everyone with respect because we are all equal no matter how much money or prestige or accomplishments you have. Every person puts their draws on the same way in the morning and should be treated with respect. Hopefully I am just able to give a little expertise from had played basketball Soo long.
Kuminga is just factually not a potential star or all star and he downer come close to warranting the kind of role he wants for a team! He’s not gonna be the key or even a key piece in a star trade and turnings him into a role player or two who can actually help will be a huge win for warriors
Kerr’s handling of Kuminga aside, the real issue is why have Warriors management forced Kerr to carry a player on his roster that he has clearly never valued? Kuminga was one of many Bob Meyers (and Joe Lacob) bad draft picks. Mike Dunleavy, for his part, shouldn’t feel so invested in trying to rescue a mistake made by others.
Kuminga is very similar to Butler. Kerr has no problem playing Butler. Kuminga’s inconsistencies is the problem.
lacob loves Kuminmga for some reason. Kuminga was lacob pick over ruling who the scouts wanted in Wagner. Hope that answers your question.
Lacob is not a dumb man. He may have forced the Kuminga pick (as he did with the Wiseman pick) but he should have figured out by now that Kuminga is a bad fit with Kerr and that moving on from that mistake is in everyone’s interest.
If Lacob is a smart man, he stays out of the draft and he stays out of the roster.
Good owners know these things.
I’m assuming Lacob is an amazing owner. He writes the checks and lets the professionals do what they do.
Warriors would never have won a single title let alone 4 without Lacob
Right, and you move on from the guy who only knows how to play his 5 shortest players at once and lie every single time he opens his mouth, not the promising youngster who Kerr fumbled on purpose because he sucks at his job.
The Warriors want to sell teams on Kuminga’s upside case: the incredible physical specimen with no baggage and no issues between his ears, or at least enough issues they could hide behind his production. The problem is most front offices haven’t bought it and won’t buy it to the extent of giving up significant value for him. Then again, there’s always a chance that one idiotic front office could deludes themselves into believing that reality has a higher probability of coming to fruition (ie, “I can fix him”).
The issue now is that the Warriors don’t have much leverage unless they want to continue holding a DNP player with bad blood on the roster, and they would’ve needed to wait until 1/15/16 to deal him. So if you’re Kerr what do you do? Do you feature him until that day at the cost of wins and losses or do you do what you think is best for the team? Unfortunately for the Warriors, they don’t have the luxury of following the former path given their record.
It was a setup always headed for disaster unless Kuminga bought in 100% to the “new me” stuff and could last that long, but the level-headed among us knew that was never particularly likely. People love to talk the talk but not walk the walk, etc. Now the hooneymoon phase is over and we’re back to reality.
So hilarious that even when the Warriors have a beautiful game and win by 30, the professing fan is here complaining lol.
I can understand the naysayers. 4 recent championships will do that to the adversaries and their eyesight when the bling causes temporary blindness.
But fans?
A 30 point win is a nice pick-me-up after what’s been going on lately.
A hell of a win for Warriors considering how many players they were missing.
What happened last night does not have anything to do with Kerr purposely not developing Kuminga, Moody, TJD, Spencer, Rollins, Jerome, etc etc etc.
How many championships did Kerr lead the Warriors to? Curry is old, Draymond is old Butler is old it happens. Most fans would be happy if their team won once in 10 years. The Warriors dynasty was damn impressive man just enjoy what was until their next ride. Hell if things happened to roll their way they “could” make some noise this year.
Curry led GSW to 4 championships in spite of Kerr’s idiotic in-game coaching and complete inability to control Draymond, in addition to not developing any players ever.
“Most fans would be happy if their team won once in 10 years”
Ok but you do realize Steph Curry’s existence makes this experience rise well above 1 and done title winners, like the Raptors? If Curry was not on my team the whole time I would not be so mad….but Kerr has done everything possible to put limits on Curry’s career, for no reason too. Curry was leading them to #5 last year before his injury…how quickly we forget…
“ Curry was leading them to #5 last year before his injury…how quickly we forget…”
I get you like the Warriors but I think you might be the only person who thought the Warriors would win last year with a healthy Curry. If we’re playing that game I could say the Rockets would’ve beat the Warriors if Chris Paul never got injured in those playoffs a few years ago
Are you seriously comparing playoffs Curry to Chris “no rings” Paul?
Don’t do that. There’s levels here you are completely ignoring. Wolves were about to be swept with how good Curry was at that point, we all saw it. You likely were not watching the team like I was, which is fine, you are just wrong here.
I never said Chris Paul is as good a player as Curry. Curry is easily a top 5 shooter of all time.
My point was if you can say they were on their way to winning before Curry got injured, then I could say with Chris Paul there’s a really good chance the Rockets
don’t put up an 0fer from 3 and probably win that series. Unfortunately that’s not how it went and it is what it is.
Getting past the Wolves doesn’t win them the title. Still had the Thunder to get through. Either way enjoy the new season man let the ifs go
See, right there, you are very wrong. Steph Curry is #1 shooter of all time. You literally do not know what you are seeing out there. This is the whole basis of your criticism is you are treating 2020s Playoffs Steph Curry like he’s a regular superstar. Wrong. If Curry was like, say, CP3, I would not be thinking like this. But I know just how hard he has put this team on his back since day 1.
Okay but you’re missing my point. Let’s say Curry is the number one shooter of all time great still need to get through the Wolves and a stacked Thunder team.
There’s no proof that the Warriors win the championship if Curry is healthy. That’s my main point don’t live in the ifs world live in reality. Curry got injured, the Warriors lost and that’s history.
GSW vs OKC 2-1 in reg season that year btw.
Everything I say has a mountain of evidence behind it. I am justified in all of my opinions.
Postseason is completely different from regular season. I honestly think you’re the only person on this site who thinks the Warriors win it last year with Curry.
Let’s be real if any of us were as smart about sports as we thought we’d be working for a team getting paid for it. We’re all just armchair gms.
Ok but “only person on this site” = 1000’s of posters on Dub Nation social media. If anything, the posters on here have the most obscure takes than the ones they are claiming are bad (mine).
Regardless, you are massively, massively undervaluing Steph Curry = opinions rejected until further notice. Acting like Curry in the playoffs is nothing…grow up man, get over it, he destroyed your face team and he is the true GOAT, not Lebron. Factual.
Like I said he’s a top shooter ever. If we’re comparing all stats LeBron trumps him and it’s not even close man. LeBron is number 1 in so many stats, come on man don’t be a homer. Curry is a legend and first ballot HOF but LeBron > Curry
Pulled up the stats and here is the results
Curry has better: playoff record, 3P% FT% and eFG%
LeBron has better: points, rebounds, assists, blocks and FG%. Also trumps him in pretty much all all star related stats (All NBA first team, All Defense (6 for LeBron 0 for Curry), MVPs, all star games)
In the playoffs Curry has more steals, that’s it LeBron has better numbers in every other category.
I get you love the Warriors and Curry is your hero but stop and look at the numbers.
Both amazing players and first ballot HOF but LeBron is the GOAT.
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Sure, but it was vs the Bulls on a current league worst 6 game losing streak (now at 7).
I was waiting for someone to come along with that exact statement.
I can imagine the locker room and everybody cheering for the wonderful win. It was even lopsided and a blowout. Then some voice from the back of the room says,
“yeah, but it was the Bulls.”
Yeah, but it was the Bulls…
Love it !! Where you been? Can’t let life get in the way of visiting Hoops rumors once in a while 😃
Lol reading and watching more than typing…
Could not let that opportunity go by though…
Owners need to stop listening to self proclaimed TV experts. Every guy can jump out of the gym, freakishly athletic, great handles, spreads the floor, sees the whole floor and streaky shooter
Where is James Wiseman when you need him. Steve Kerr and staff have not made any player better.
Quentin Post.
Pat Spencer.
JaVale McGee.
Jordan Poole
Greymond Green
Gary Payton
These are guys on the top of my head that have improved their game and developed into rotation NBA players with the Warriors, one from second round pick to All-Star.
Draymond was an amazing 2nd rd pick. Thats why we love sports and underdogs. I thought Poole might be that guy too. As fans we all wanted our picks to be good enough to carry the torch…. Looney deserves to be on the list.
JaVale literally said “I hated playing for Kerr”
Jordan Poole got a brain injury after Kerr told him to say that to Draymond
Cool “development”, really nice work. Valuable. Kerr so good at his job.
You mind as well add JTA, Damion Jones, Quinn Cook, Ian Clark, Jerome… there have been plenty of journeymen success stories. All these guys had starts and 20+ point games. Personally, Kerr’s gteatest work were guys like Iggy and Livingston along with the Trio.
Yes, I thought about those guys also, but in a different way.
The skills of that first batch of players were maximized by the Warriors because after they left, these guys washed out. Quinn Cook, JTA, Ian Clark.
It seems like maybe Damian Jones and certainly Ty Jerome got better after they left?
But yes, Kerr did a great job figuring out how to maximize those rosters back then. And I think it was the work of the entire organization really. Coaching, the players, the roster building. Every single person deserves credit.
They don’t win without Sean Livingston doing what he did or even Nick Young lol. That guy won several games for them that year that they wouldn’t have. Same with Iggy, all of them.
Yeah, I thought about Looney, but I think he was already a very good player.
He slipped in the draft because of his hip or he would’ve been selected a lot earlier.
I’m not sure if he improved while with the Warriors?
What he did do is find a role and he was excellent at that. But I see what you’re saying here.
THIS chaos was all predictable yet Warriors decide to aign him to $23m per. Why??? They must know something that we dont. They knew Kuminga was going to be a distraction, play badly, amd mope. Maybe they all have a trade rigged to bring someone to play with Curry. Just like Doncic ending in LA and Flagg in Dallas. Last 2 gms proved that nba will not let Warriors fade. At least for now….
It’s navigating the salary cap.
If you want to bring in a guy for 25 million you better have a guy or two guys that make up 25 million to send out.
Warriors signed JK to 23 or whatever million because they thought he could bring back a $23 million player in trade Or provide some kind of combination to bring a $40 million guy in.
Same thing happened with D’Angelo Russell. Navigating the salary cap.
That’a what I mean. They must have somebody already in mind.
Demar DeRozen.
Since he’s on an expiring contract, it could happen – plus he can score, which has been an issue for this team, and is shooting a career high 38.3 % from 3pt range this season.
You can throw Dr. Rosen Rosen the ball and he’ll get you a bucket most times. That’s a nice weapon to have.
What is Kuminga’s trade value?
Maybe GSW is pricing him too much? But if a 29 year old 2-way player is outplaying him, what does the other 29 other teams say?
Kuminga, his familiy, and his agent all have to be extremely careful with his future. They might not know it but his career could be at risk. Yes, it could be all over in couple yrs if they are not too careful. They have said a lot of things last couple of yrs and created headache for kerr and team. They have to ne careful not to cross the line. You dont cross Lacob and you dont cross Kerr. Kerr has been in the league for a long time and has accomplished so much. He’a this era’s Phil Jackson , Pat Riley, Red Auerbach. He knows everybody in the league, coaches, gms, and owners. He can easily block opportunities. It’s the way nba have always worked just like the real world.
Kuminga will get his wish and get traded. In the meantime, he needs to be first one at the practice ams last one to leave. Say all the nicest thinga about the team, coaching staff, and teammates. And be the best cheerleader in the world. It’a ok if you dont play another minute, but be a great team member and have sincere gratitude for everything and humility. You can still salvage this situation and have a great nba career.
Agreed and that’s why he is making the statements that he is in what we read above in the article. It’s called playing nice and helps him himself and helps the team.
It’s smiling for the camera at the movie photo shoot even though you can’t stand your costars lol
Yeah, it’s one thing to be young and ignorant.
But you dont give up on the team multiple times and expect people to not remember. All in all, dont burn any bridges esp if you cant back it up.
Nothing has changed here ….. lmao
Warriors are a .500 team after 25 gms. And its all Kuminga’s fault …. Even though he’s only played 16 gms. …. So we can all agree he is not playing his best ……. RIGHT … yet his stats are on team.
5th in mins —-
4th in points —-
6th in assists —-
1st in rebounding —-
7th in FG % —-
Warriors are ranked top 10 defensive rating. Considering Kuminga is 5th in mins played. He is part of that. So WE ALL AGREE Kumings is not at his best. Yet clearly his stats say he is a top 5 Warrior this year. That’s with him not playing well. So what does that say about him and more importantly about the team. …….. like I said. I can’t wait till he leaves
Yup, Kuminga+Green+Hield+3 FRP for Giannis+Thanasis sure has the highest probability of happening. Easily the best package for the Bucks they can get from anyone right now. Plus Green+Buddy can easily be flipped for even more assets. Or just send those two to other teams in a multi-team deal.
Giannis on the Warriors = I’m buying his jersey day of signing.
The Warriors have to play him and make him look good. Only benefits them in a trade. They can get can good value for him. Players who fit team better NOW.
Eh, he’s not as healthy as he could be. Would rather see him resting.
He can be moved Jan 15, oops. You gotta see what’s out there lol.
No. Kuminga has to make himself look good.
Its a team game. The other 4 players and coach.
Basketball is a 2way TEAM sport.
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Ok but…play JK in the non-Butler minutes then? Kerr is such a liar.
Unfortunately Kuminga best position is SF. He is a big 3. Positional size is a YUUuuuge advantage imo. Greatest players all had positional size lol.
Jeez…You are so clueless. He started out the season playing really well. Doing what the team wanted him to do. Which you didn’t notice. Then, he regressed. And now you notice.
We’re in different worlds lol. You will never see what I see. You are like years behind. I don’t need the Warriors or Kerr to school me.
Most people never will. It gives me hope for the human race.
Kuminga for Vuce and a protected first
Money side of things it works perfectly
GSW in win now mode and need a centre
Vuce although old still producing 16-9-3 and nearly 40% from 3.
Yes he’s not good defensively but you have the likes of Green and Butler.
He’d be a real handy 25/30 minutes per night big in rotation with Horford and Post.
Probably makes them a better side in the short term then Vuce’s deal expires and you clear money off the books and get a first round pick back for the inevitable rebuild.
Bulls get back another young forward who’s not a perfect fit but could be handy in their rebuild. Giddey Kuminga and Buzelis
They have Post, at a fraction of the cost, and Kerr has finally started to play him as his defense improves. There’s no way that trade happens.
After viewing just how awful that Bulls team is defensively firsthand, aintnoway the Dubs trade Kuminga there in a 2 team trade. Maybe a multi-teamer. But the Bulls have literally no one they want or can use.