Speaking to the media prior to Tuesday’s game against Toronto, Warriors general manager Mike Dunleavy Jr. said he doesn’t expect to trade Jimmy Butler in the wake of his season-ending torn right ACL, per Anthony Slater of ESPN (Twitter video link).
“I don’t envision that, but now that you’ve brought it up, I guess I’d say what I envision for him is kind of give us a boost next year the same way he did last year when he arrived,” Dunleavy said. “And so, at some point during the (2026/27) season he’ll be returning.
“And being the player he’s been — I mean, at his age, what he’s doing this year, to have the year he’s had is impressive. I think he’s got the style of game that can play for a long time with his skill, his physicality, his mind for the game. So I guess my vision for him is him returning at some point between now and this time next year.”
Dunleavy added that he was “crushed” for Butler and it was “tough to say” how his injury will impact the decisions the front office makes ahead of the February 5 trade deadline, tweets Nick Friedell of The Athletic.
“We hate it for him but the beat goes on,” Dunleavy said.
Golden State’s top basketball executive also discussed fifth-year forward Jonathan Kuminga, who demanded a trade on Jan. 15, the first day he was eligible to be moved. Dunleavy was surprisingly transparent about Kuminga’s market value, or lack thereof.
“As far as the demand, I’m aware of that,” Dunleavy said (Twitter video link via Slater). “In terms of demands, when there’s a demand, there needs to be a demand on the market. So we’ll see how that unfolds.”
Dunleavy said he was fine with working with Kuminga or any other player who wants a change of scenery, “but we’ve got to do what’s best for our organization and that’s what we’ll do.” He added that he would take the next couple of weeks to evaluate where the team stands following Butler’s devastating injury.
“I’m disappointed it hasn’t worked out better,” Dunleavy said, per Slater (Twitter link). “But it is what it is…I know a trade has been requested. But nothing is imminent. Things in this league can change in a heartbeat, as they did last night. So he’s gotta be ready.”
Here’s more on Butler, Kuminga and the Warriors:
- Dunleavy also talked about the possibility of trading future first-round picks, Slater adds (via Twitter). “If we’re talking about trading draft picks that will be going out when Steph (Curry) isn’t here, it’s going to have to be a player that we think we’ll be getting back that is going to be here when those picks are going out.”
- As Friedell writes for The Athletic, head coach Steve Kerr also discussed both players ahead of Tuesday’s contest. “Most of all just disappointed for Jimmy,” Kerr said. “He’s having a great year. I felt, like the last couple weeks, he was really at the top of his game. So, for him, and for us, obviously, but for him individually in the middle of a really great season with a lot of possibilities … I just feel terrible for him that he’s gonna miss the rest of the year. It’s part of the game. Injuries are part of it, but it hurts for sure.”
- Kerr said while the team will obviously miss Butler’s contributions, he’s confident the Warriors will remain competitive without the star forward, noting they have a “really good rhythm” after winning six of their past seven games.
- As for Kuminga, Kerr said he believes the 23-year-old wants to play for the Warriors and receive rotation minutes. But Kerr was noncommittal when asked if Kuminga would reenter the rotation, Friedell notes. The 6’7″ forward has only played 10 minutes since December 7. “He could be, yeah,” Kerr said. “He obviously hasn’t played in a while, but at this point, we have to experiment a little bit with rotations, see where we are, and he’s definitely a part of that talk, that conversation.”
- As Slater tweets, Kuminga is set to enter Tuesday’s game at the start of the second quarter with the Warriors trailing by 13 points. Slater reported earlier on Tuesday that the former lottery pick was open to playing for Golden State again, though his “long-term desires” and “feelings about the organization” haven’t changed. (Twitter video link via NBA Today).
So no market for Kuminga and not trading 1st round picks. Use this relevant information for your trade proposals,
No firsts unless it’s a long term player, like Giannis.
Giannis for Butler and a lot of picks plus pick swaps would be something Warriors would do I guess
Adding a Kuminga for Kuzma swap is something else that could make sense, but either GP2, Podziemski or someone else would then need to go towards Milwaukee as there is 0,1 million salary difference and then probably Thanassis waived plus picked up on buyout market by GSW.
Is anyone really surprised by that.
“Here I come to save the DAAAaaaaaayyy”
Warrior fans will be eating a lot of Kuminga crow NOW.
Save us JK. We didn’t mean to call you names. Please play ……. lols. What do they tell climbers lols.
Be nice to the people you pass on the way up. Cause it’s the same people you will see on the way down. Kuminga should tell all of you GFYvs ….😡🙃😳
They’re both in a situation where they’re stuck. Jk literally has 2 weeks to show what he can do to make money. The warriors will not pick his option up next year. That’s 100% facts. He’s not getting nowhere near that in the open market. The most he’ll get is 10 to 15 if that million and it may be a two or 3-year deal which at the end of that deal he’ll be a bottom feeder player and he won’t get paid anymore. Trust me I’ve already seen this happen a hundred times with teammates of my own. What team is going to sign them next year? The warriors already told him last offseason to go find a deal and he couldn’t find one. Nobody was going to pay him more than seven to $14 million. So if he doesn’t want to sign a small contract in the off-season and have to play for his career in one year, he better show something in the next two weeks so he can get traded for and then the team can have the bird rights
The market wasn’t there last yr. Plus Warriors were going to match. He put up 20 in 21 mins tonight. Imo he still has potential for a 2Way starter. Don’t know how bad it is for him in GS. They need him with no Jimmy. He can play out season. Get his value up. Warriors can decide then, they have a TO. He needs to get away from GS. Get to system that works for him. He can avg over 20 a game. It’s his D that needs coaching. Thibs would turn him into another Jimmy lol.
The Nets could easily have made Kuminga an offer that the Warriors would not have been able to match.
Why would they overpay. To please you. They know he will be available soon. 90% if Warriors fans talk out of both sides of their mouth. You don’t value him. Yet you want every other team to value him highly.
The Warriors limit was $25 million. If Kuminga is a #1 or #2 scorer with defense, $27 million would be a bargain. It would have priced the Dubs out. The Nets would still be well under the 1st apron. They could develop him and turn him into even more assets.
Kuminga only improved his chances of being traded last night. Like I said just play him now that the warriors playoff chances has gone down to build up his value. last night showed he still has that talent on offense. A non-playoff team should take a chance on him. If the warriors were a lottery team i would want them to take a chance on Kuminga.
Why would they pay an unproven player. Nobody is bailing you out. No team is overpaying for a player who will soon be free. Warriors don’t even play him. Yet you think hes a 1 or 2. Hilarious lol.
??? Who says he is a 1 or 2? Who is saying a team will over pay for Kuminga? can you explain…
Your buddy ………
“ The Warriors limit was $25 million. If Kuminga is a #1 or #2 scorer with defense, $27 million would be a bargain.”
This is all of you Confusef ……….
If kuminga was a 31 or #2 with good defense there would be no reason to trade him.
I didn’t say it lol. I don’t care about him. I only want to see him gone. You guys repeat yourselves for yrs now. Now we will see the real JK. Too bad it took an injury. We sll see together.
Wait! What? You are the one on here constantly complaining about how Kuminga is an All-Star in the making and should be the focus of the Warriors offense. You keep saying Kerr is holding him back. You won’t accept that it is inconsistent play that takes him out of the lineup.
Yeah really ….. I said all that. You forgot HOF or better than MJ too ……
This is why Warrior fans are all by themselves ….
Pretty much. How many more opportunities does the guy need?
This team has a bunch of inconsistent players. Starters Draymond, Post, Moody, and Podz are inconsistent, but Kerr plays them.
That’s not how contracts work. Nba teams even if they know that teams will match just like overseas teams, they want to build relationships with agents because agents will have multiple players. So signing him whether or not he gets matched or not builds a rapport with the player. No NBA team match because there’s only two teams that were willing to roll the dice on him and the other teams were not going to pay him what the warriors paid him. The kings and he didn’t get the contract he wants. Again you guys value him more than what his value is for the rest of the league. He has tape and film. So what role is he going to play on whatever team that’s out there? Because it’s not the guy with the ball in his hand who you’re expecting to play, make and score a bunch of plays. So that means he’s going to be a two three or four option? He’s not consistent enough to be a two option. And you’re not going to pay your three four or five option 30 or $25 million dollars. So again we’re is he going to sign. He is not a small forward. The Sacramento thing is not really a option because Murray is better than him. So you’re not going to play him at power. 4. When you play Murray there. They already have Zach LaVine and DeMar DeRozan. So what team is out there? Maybe the Mavs. But again, when Kyrie Irving comes back he’ll be in the same situation. He’s in Golden State because Cooper’s going to be the man and Irving will be number two. Even if they trade ad that leaves him. What a third option and we’ve seen when he’s the third option he doesn’t come through. He doesn’t play make and he’s a negative on the court. What system is going to work for him for the amount of money that he’s trying to get? What is his system run up and down the court score in transition play off the ball rebound knockdown shots play make if he was that the warriors would be keeping him. That’s exactly what Jimmy Butler does. See I don’t understand why people keep saying Golden State isn’t using him right. Jimmy Butler doesn’t run around and shoot open jump shots. He has the ball in his hand. He cuts off the ball. He posts of shoots mid-range Jimmy Butler plays his game. So the fact of the matter is if you can’t get wide open playing with Curry who draws double teams passes. The ball plays off the ball. The rest of the team doesn’t play like that then. I don’t understand why people keep saying that the Golden State warriors aren’t using him right?
His value is based on his upside. And fact Warriors haven’t done him any favors. There are different systems in NBA man. If he can put up 20 here. He can be consistent somewhere else. He needs consistency and commitment from a team.
His value is down cause Warriors don’t use him. Now with Jimmy down. Of course he fits right in. Still not the vet Jimmy is. If it was me, I would still leave. I don’t see Warriors letting him go now. With mins he can bring his value up. So it makes sense to keep him. Unless you can get Porter. Or a proven vet. Then you have to give up picks.
He put up 20 in a blowout win. He will put up 20 on any losing team because he’s an NBA player. Bro, I could right now play on an NBA team and score five points. I know I could and guess what? I would be a negative 25 on the court. In my Prime I could probably get 10 to 12 points for sure. I know that for a fact but guess what? I would have been a negative 25 on the court so everybody keeps saying we know he can score every NBA player can score. We’re talking about playing winning basketball so if your team’s already losing why are you signing? Jonathan kuminga? Guys keep staying upside. What upside? Where is he going to get better? Tell me exactly what role he’s going to play, where he’s going to improve his play and what he’s going to do for the next team that he goes to and break it down in an analysis of his game that you feel like he can improve on. Because he was playing as a third option. He plays when Curry’s not on the court and the ball ran through him. Do you want me to post the clips? I will post the clips right here where he’s the third option and he can’t get it done
He avg 20 in playoffs against Minny. You really going to judge him after sitting then playing 20 mins. Lol this is his Career in GS ….. funny. I got 1 gms
Dec 28, 2024 — 34 pts vs Suns
Dec 27, 2024 — 34 pts vs Clippers
Dec 5, 2024 — 33 pts vs Rockets
Oct 27, 2025 — 25 pts vs Grizz
link to nba.com
This is a player who is jerked in n out of lineup. Who has been bashed and disrespected by his coach and team. I have no doubt he can flourish away from GS..
Didn’t say he doesn’t have good games or that he shouldn’t play on a team or that he has zero value. I’m talking about the contract that he wants and that he is not going to average that he is capable of those games, but the way he plays he’s not going to average that
How do you know what he wants. He will take what market gives him. He is in no position to demand anything. Warriors own his rights. They will decide at end of yr. He has a TO for next yr. Which means they can accept and trade him. I don’t see him coming back to Warriors. We will see what he can really do soon enough.
He was inconsistent before Butler arrived.
Yup
He has suffered due to inconsistent minutes.
Yet he’s had entire months when given more consistent minutes where he was a net positive player.
Look its not about in and out. Its playing consistently for 4 yrs. Then you can have an idea.
Does this sound familiar ????
We have been saying this for over a year on here. How overvalued Kuminga is to Warriors fans. Yet it’s the same thing with management. And all the Warriors fans keep trashing JK ….. dumbfounded!!!!
“ The Warriors need to make up their mind about their disgruntled young forward. If he’s as good as they’re trying to convince other teams he is, they might as well play him.
If not, they must cut ties with him and put this story to bed once and for all. They can’t afford this type of distraction, much less after Jimmy Butler’s season-ending injury. ”
link to yardbarker.com
Yes, but he has the rest of the season to do that for the new team Besides, what’s another $23m? I think the new team will pick up the optuon on a 23 yr old player and take the risk.
It’s the Warriors who need Kuminga lol. Nobody is bailing them out with a good offer.
They will if they can trade him. You are looking at this all wrong. It’s over for Warriors ….
So what can they do ??
Best course is play for next year. Play JK get his value up. Trade him after season. What else is there. I bet he avgs over 20 a gm. If he plays 30 mins or more.
I think we’re agreeing on that. I don’t know where you think I’m not agreeing on that. I’ve said that multiple times in multiple posts on this forum that it’s over for the warriors this year. I think the very first comment on the top is my comment saying he’s got seven games to show what he can do. I don’t agree that he will get traded for anything of significant value because I think the contract next year teens are just not going to want to pay that and why give anything up?. Can the warriors get something? Yeah absolutely but what contract out there matches that’s going to help them next year because they can’t have the dead space on their cap they won’t be able to sign a player with it
There is no trade now. Unless they give up picks.
JK plays till end of year. He can bring his value up. That’s what I am saying. To me thats the best outcome. For player and team. Just not sure both sides can do it.
Also, is he averaging over 20 points a game on a team that is in winning any game and losing? Are you saying he’s averaging 20 points a game with 30 minutes on a winning team?
On any team if get his mins. He is ready for that imo. Now to elevate his entire game. He still needs time. There is no schedule for this. Every player is different. And teams handle players differently. I still believe. You don’t …. Really news to you by now.
Without Jimmy the Warriors just might have to pick up the option on Kuminga. This Kuminga/Warriors situation has been one the weirdest I’ve seen. The mixed signals have been an absolute soap opera. Dude literally handcuffed at every turn. Crazy.
It’s obvious that he “should” start vs the Mavs (and not a guard like Podz).
If Kerr doesn’t start him that says they aren’t going to keep him.
Kuminga had a -10 in 5 minutes, grabbed 2 rebounds, went 0-1 on FG and 0-2 on FTs. Looked totally out of step with the rest of the team.
Did you expect Kuminga after 9 missed game to be in synch? Kuminga problem has always been he doesn’t fit the warriors style of switching off on defense. One of the most complicated defense systems in the league. He needs to be on a team that is a zone defense.
So your again making excuses for a player. Nba players miss games all the time or get Dnps. My freshman year in college I didn’t play the first four games. Are backup point guards to bring his ankle and guess what? Second half my number was called. Do you think I could have went in the game and just been like oh I didn’t play. I didn’t do it. I can’t do anything. I would have got no more playing time after that. You have to stay ready but somehow it’s always the team fault. I’m noticing the theme in America nowadays and it’s not just sports. It’s in everything nobody wants to take responsibility and everybody wants to blame mental health their circumstance. Anything else but take responsibility and be ready for a moment when it comes. Opportunity preparation equal success. The man has played over 5,000 minutes. He’s had opportunity so that means preparation isn’t there
How am i making excuses? Some players do not fit some systems. If you have watched the NBA over the years you would know that. So explain….
It was funny that the weakest poster on this blog Davey J (by his commenters muted total) posted that after Kerr had played JK only 4:39 in the game.
In the 2nd half, JK produced 20 pts on 7-9/78% shooting with a team high 3 rebs and 5-6 free throws, and a game high +13.
You were certainly proven correct that he should have been playing to increase his value – but I think Kerr hates him so much it’s unlikely that he starts or gets starter minutes.
Nobody can’t say Kuminga doesn’t have talent. The problem has always been on defense. the system is way too complicated for him. Look how the only rookies that been good at it was the 4 year college players. He needs to be on a team that runs a different type of defense.
You do understand he scored all those points in garbage time minutes right. You do understand as hoopers when you’re up 20 and 30 points that you let up. That’s why I always say stats on a bad team doesn’t matter because it’s not the same. The result would have been the same had he started or not. If you would have put Curry back in the game when you’re down. 30 points all the players would have put up point after point. Not saying that he’s not a good player. I bet he’s not an NBA player. What I’ve said is he doesn’t have a define role. What I said is to try to get 20 to $30 million. You’re not that player unless you have a Divine role. I never said that he couldn’t play basketball or that he shouldn’t be on a team or that he’s not worth. 15 to $17 million
Kuminga’s 2nd half > Kuminga’s first half
If we get that 2nd half JK for a full game, and Kerr resists the urge to play rotations that have 4 undersized guys and 1 over 6’6″ guy, the Warriors will be a top 6 team.
If kumang plays in the first half they still lose. The only thing we saw was players put up big numbers and a blowout. Why wasn’t he doing anything at the beginning of the year when he was getting minutes?. I was literally at two warriors games, one versus Portland at the beginning of the year and Jonathan kuminga was starting and played over 35 minutes and he was doing nothing on the court. All he did was get a dunk and hit a three I think. So yes I just explained garbage time minutes people don’t play as hard. I want the guy to do good. However I’m just being realistic. That’s not hating. Truth is not hating. Truth is truth
You failed to say that Raptors played their starting team most of the game and didn’t put their bench in until the last 2 mionutes of the game. raptors up over 20 points the entire second half almost and your best player Barnes play 39 minutes of the game? ingram 36 minutes and Quickely 34 minutes. Even knowing you have a game the next night. look at warriors the night before when they had a 20 point lead at the start of the 4th. Not 1 warrior starter played more than 30 minutes in that game. So there was not much garbage time in the game last night or raptors would not have kept their starters in the game.
That’s funny ….. hes the most athletic player on that team.
Buying buckets does …….
I’m going to enjoy Warrior fans rooting for JK lol.
It will be monumental…
Al for the record I never once hated Kuminga and always supported him, I hate Kerr too much to ever side with him on any aspect of basketball, that includes DNPing JK.
Outlook just continues to get worse in SF. Now they’re trying to convince Kuminga to play just to salvage anything they can at the deadline.
It’s been a tough week for us Bay Area fans lol
At this point … I wonder if Steph asks to get out or just lets his contract expire after next year before becoming a UFA.
Davey J is meditating lol. Can’t speak right now. He might blow a fuse …….
I have been posting all over these threads Al, even replying to you.
Not the first day lol. I would need more time lol.
sigh…yeah
i guess the question is: am i not allowed to be bummed out at losing a superelite player who was fully locked in and making the second unit 10000x better? no, huh?
Hey Miami would you accept
Butler, Kuminga and Seth Curry plus next years 1st plus another pick of sort
For
Wiggins, Powell and Rozier
GS flips Rozier for a C
Why would Miami do this?
If they decide to do a rebuild and to torture Butler. I agree though I didn’t really consider Miami. More for a GS trade. Doesn’t hurt to try
Warriors have 7 gms with tonights Raptor loss left. Till the Feb 5 TD. So is 7 gms enough to upgrade Kuminga trade value. Hmmmmm maybe !!!!!
Imo it’s best to play him and start him. Till end of season. Then his value should be much better. Great draft coming this year. He plays great. Then you trade him at draft.
Kuminga was excellent in the 2nd half, that is an interesting ripple.
Rooting for him. Hope he takes advantage man.
As the resident Kings guy, here is my best offer:
Kings get: Kuminga, Butler, 1st rounder 2030, 2nd rounder year of your choosing
Warriors get: LaVine & DeRozen
Warriors get to say they did everything they could to get Steph another ring. Kings get to turn LaVine and DeRozans dead money into opportunity in JK and potential Butler comeback + bet on Warriors fall off
Warriors are paying Jimmy regardless. Kings are paying LaVine regardless. Might as well make their situations make sense for what they have left in the tank.
Dude I take that if I’m Warriors …… heck yeah.
Dunleavy laid it out pretty well. They are not sending out the (post-Steph era) 2030 first round pick unless it is for a young player that will be with the team and playing in 2030. Derozan and Lavine are not that kind of (young) player.
I love the idea of assembling a bunch of aging ballers for one last ride into the sunset, but the reality of it would be far less attractive. And after Lavine Derozan Green and Curry are done the Warriors would be in a bad way for a long time.
Statements made before the Butler injury. The game has changed.
Read the article again. His statement trading draft picks are pretty clear.
What you need to understand is nobody is trading you a star. Not just for the 2030 pick.
This trade turns Butler (dead money) and Kuminga (no value) into two good NBA talents with deals that end after next season. If you’re worried that this trade limits their ability to be competitive after 26/27, think about who can be brought in that summer after all the expiring money goes away.
Again, people value players more than teams do. Why would you take DeMar DeRozan? Or Zach LaVine. Neither one of them are winners and even adding Curry around them. Butler did more than just shoot mid-range jumpshots. He played defense and did a lot of other things. The more DeRozan is no longer winning player. He’s a bench player. That’s why the Sacramento Kings have a terrible record. Zach LaVine is not a winning player either and he’s a fourth option on a playoff team. He’s much like a lot of players with a bloated contract that the Sacramento Kings were stupid to take on because they have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. It’s funny warrior fans. Just can’t admit that either you punt this season and try to come back next season as the GM said. And Butler can try to return around this time next year. Or it’s just over. There is no trade scenario that’s going to fix this team. Jimmy Butler was your number two. You can’t just replace a number. It’s kind of like Jamal Murray going down for Denver. More kind of how Tatum went down for Boston. They had to blow the team up because your number two is down. Actually I consider them 1A and 1B on Boston, but you’re not going to win a championship this year
Preach buckets! 100%. Move the pieces you can afford to do without.
Maaaaaaaannnnn Warriors give up 145 pts to Raptors.
Oh my …….. JK — 21 mins 20 pts, 7/10 FG, 5 reb, 2 ast.
Imagine he plays 32 mins ………
Here I come to save the DAAaaaaayyyyy
I hope he does save our asses. But Al, you and I both know that Kuminga is not a complete enough player to contribute more than spot minutes on a playoff team. He could become one, but right now he doesn’t understand team defense, or fit in the Warriors motion offense. Maybe it could work for him somewhere else.
Listen he probably isn’t ready for that as a vet. But look what he did last yr when Steph went down. You got plenty of season left. Concentrate on that. He will be better in 20 gms. Better by playoffs. He put 20 in 21 mins tonight. What do you have to lose at this point.
But they’re not winning. They gave up 152 points. Again, there’s a difference between playing winning basketball. Nobody saying Jonathan kuminga can’t score. But if you watch the game, a lot of those points came when the game was already out of reach and it was a lot of baskets that he gave up on the other end. So we’re not saying that he’s not a basketball player. We’re saying this is the result. If he’s your number two or number 3 player on the team every night you’re going to lose game after game after game after game. Because he doesn’t have a defined role, he can go out there and score on his next team. If they’re sorry he’ll put up points. Nobody’s ever said that there’s an issue with that. What we’re saying is he’s not a winning basketball player because he doesn’t have a defined role on a winning team. A jack of all trades is exactly what he is. He can do a lot of everything and nothing excellent at anything.
You going to put the winning on him now. His first gm back. First with Jimmy here he is a bad fit. Cause Kerr won’t play them together. Now he can play his position consistently. Which is what he needs to improve. No reason to sit him now. Warriors ain’t winning anything without Jimmy.
I’m not putting the winning on him. I don’t think the warriors can win a championship with their second best player out for the year now. So it’s not on him. What I said was he put up 20 and a blowout loss. I don’t count anybody’s stats in a blowout loss. That’s just facts. Is the NBA and every player can score and somebody’s got to put the ball in a hole.
Second, why wasn’t he doing it before they got Butler he was playing so now we’re blaming it on Butler but why can’t he come in the games when Butler’s on the bench or when Butler was missing games and do exactly that. Because he doesn’t impact winning basketball. Bro, I’m just telling you that just face it the tape is out there. He doesn’t impact winning basketball. He’s nowhere near Jamie Butler. He’s going to play the next game and he’s going to get smoked if he starts. And the real reason why there’s no trade market for him is because nobody wants him to pick up that option. They’re going to offer him less money on the open market
Cause they didn’t play him. He did it against Minny in playoffs. What was that luck ..,,, no doubt he needs coaching. The guy can score. He is a premier athlete in NBA. Chk out his third yr when he got consistent mins. At 21 yrs old. Warriors need saviors. Not developmental players lol. They have just killed it since ….
link to basketball-reference.com
Oh gawd. He only played great in his 3rd season because Draymond played the 5. Without Draymond, Wiggins and Kuminga were dreadful.
Furst off ….. he didn’t play great. He just showed the potential that is there after yr three. You put a finality in what you say about him. Just like Buying buckets. A young players isn’t anything till after he’s done growing and learning. This where we differ. I can wait on a player. Both you can’t. You need to find blame and negativity. I just let it happen. And the time hasn’t come yet for me.
Kerr did play Butler and Kuminga together. It didn’t work out.
They played pretty well together in the playoffs vs the Wolves, but Kerr still wouldn’t start Kuminga or play him big minutes.
And what lineup was Kerr playing in 1Q? Quentin Post with 4 shooting guards, which plays zero defense, which lost the game for them.
If only Kerr STARTED Kuminga…that game might have been very different…
Kerr was exposed by his Doghouse tonight (Kuminga/Hield). Passing up contributions while pledging allegiance Dray and Podz 😂
Kuminga was the best all-around Warrior on the floor tonight; while Dray and Podz battled it out for worst Warrior…
One game doesn’t mean anything.
Probably why he said “tonight”
Tony, THEY LOST.
There’s a difference between winning the game and losing the game and it doesn’t matter if two guys contribute a wonderful statistical performance and they lose. It’s meaningless.
The ability to develop winning combinations that result in W’s is what matters. The Raptors game? Failure.
GSW’s defense wasn’t as bad as the Raptors’ offense was insane – Quickly broke the alltime record for TS% in a 40 pt game, shooting 11-13/7-8/11-11.
And now Kerr has to “experiment”?
Kuminga showed why Kerr’s refusing to play him was idiotic. IMO it’s obvious that he might have been a difference maker in all those 1-4 pt losses.
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With Kuminga playing it was a 20 point loss.
How does it make sense that he could swing a win out of a 1 to 4 point game?
JK was outstanding and they got BLOWN OUT by Toronto.
What you’re writing here makes zero sense to me.
I was referring to the bunch of close losses earlier in the season like by 1 pt in Phoenix (where they lost a 14 pt lead by getting outscored in the 2nd half 53-45).
Acting like a (eminently understandable) depressed team on a B2B after losing their 2nd best player getting blown out means that Kuminga (who was +3 with as usual Kerr not even starting him and playing the 5th most minutes) couldn’t have made a difference in some of the close losses seems like poor analysis.
Note that JK outscored and outshot Steph with 20 pts on 70%/33%/63% shooting despite the 2nd Q rust after being out so many games. (They were already down 13 when Kerr put him in to start the 2nd Q).
For comparison, starters Steph was -25, Dray -27, and Podz -24.
My opinion is JK does not help improve a team’s chances in those close one to four point margins. Not in any way. Just my two cents.
The way he helps is by having productive minutes and giving Steph and Dray more rest.
See the Clippers OT loss last season where Kerr benched him, Steph played over 40 minutes and the vets ran out of energy in the OT and lost a game that affected the standings.
And playing Steph too many minutes from then on contributed to his injury in the 2nd rd (Kuminga was benched in multiple games vs the Rockets).
PS..
BLOWN OUT BY 20.., AT HOME.
This isn’t a long eastern road trip and the Warriors were tired. Toronto’s on their West Coast swing and THEY did a little reclining. I went up on the bridge on the other side the 7 mile miles should be tired lol
Lol my buddy started talking and I clicked “send.”
Then I refreshed and was not able to edit when I saw his words in my comment.
“THEY… should be tired.”
Ummm, the much younger Raptors were in LA since the 17th, had a travel day between the Clippers and Lakers games, and had a day off before this game (with a 1 hour flight), while GSW was on the B2b/3rd game in 4 nights.
So why would a younger team with a lot more rest the past week be more tired?
NBA is OK. You make great points about the younger Raptors. I went with the general thought of road team from the east versus home team.
Your research here trumps that in a major way. Nice job.
look closer at the stats. Raptors hit 67% of their 3 pointers. You are not beating a team that shoots that well. warriors missed 9 FT while Raptors hit 22 of 22. That is a loss for most teams
So much for that complicated defense Warriors play ….. teams shoot eell at times.
You didn’t watch the game. Quickely hit 7 of 8 shots. 21 of 34. curry 2 of 7 from 3 pt range and 2 airballs. it was just a tough shooting night for warriors and great shooting night for raptors. Green looked horrible. He was just terrible on defense. He lost a step this year and its been showing all season long. Green needs to retire next year.
Yes, but people also get critical if he has poor performance in a meaningless game.
He showed he can play and people still watched the game in 2nd half because of Kuminga.
He can’t play.
Ever noticed how Jimmy can find Gary Payton for dunks and layups?
That’s because Gary Payton knows where to cut, when to cut, and how to get himself open when Jimmy has the ball.
Can you imagine if JK had those skills when Jimmy had the ball? Wouldn’t be able to stop the Warriors.
But JK doesn’t have those skills.
That’s why no team in the whole nba wasnt willimg to offer GP2 more than minimum.
Michol, those are skills every NBA player should have. Know when to cut where to cut and when not to.
Payton is just playing the right way. JK doesn’t have those skills.
Peyton took the minimum because he’s over 30, hurt a lot, and doesn’t have much of a skill game himself.
GP2 scores 5 pts per 100 possessions fewer than JK (and that’s due in large part to his extremely low 12.7 min/gm avg which means he’s never tired).
I’m talking about Jimmy possessions.
Jimmy finds Payton. JK doesn’t know how to cut where to cut. Jimmy can’t find JK because JK is on the perimeter waiting for the ball. That’s my point.
500 sessions 1000 possessions whatever. I’m just using the eye test versus the box score the next day.
Jimmy is not on the Warriors active roster anymore Gary, that changes things.
GP2 turns the ball over too much and has no size so he gets like 500 dunks and layups on his head every game.
Guards aren’t Forwards. Period. Kerr needs to understand this.
Sorry Gary. I didn’t read your reply yet and I said this exact same thing. I would have just kept my mouth shut. You said it perfectly. There’s a difference. I think the warrior fans stink. We’re saying Jonathan kuminga can’t score or do anything. He definitely can score. He’s just not on winning back. He doesn’t play winning basketball
Well, I would never say the Warriors fans stink because I’m probably the biggest Warriors fan in the history of Warriors fans.
But I love to talk talk about it here and give my two cents and I enjoy reading the other folks two cents even if they don’t agree with them. It’s all part of the fun.
Kerr playing Post with his 4 shortest guys played zero defense and literally caused them to lose.
Can we get ANY reporter to ask Kerr why, why does he continue to play guards as forwards? Moody is an excellent SG but a terrible PF. Kuminga should be at PF.
Curry Moody Kuminga Green Post is a lineup that WONT get blown out – but playing under 6’5″ guys at the FORWARD position has not worked and will never work….why can’t Steve see this and scrap it? What is playing Melton/Curry/Podz/Buddy/Post going to do other than let Quickly go 11-13 from the field, these smallball lineups give up UNLIMITED layups and dunks…so sick of Kerr’s stubborness that costs them titles every year.
I’d rather have Malik Monk and a protected 1st than Kuminga. But that is just me.
You’re out of your mind if you think the Warriors are getting a draft pick for Kuminga
For those that missed the game, here’s Quickley’s highlight reel. Clearly the Warriors were unable to respond to the 1st Q destruction, but also note how many of his shots were either wide open on a fast break or barely contested on late closeouts by Podz and even 1 no closeout by Moody.
Raptors had 42 ast as a team and shot 59%/62%/100% vs the depressed Warriors. They’re going to have to either get a grip or decide to tank.
link to youtube.com
What do you guys think of my trade proposal?
Only looking from GSW side as Milwaukee might not want to do this trade or could get better offers…
Giannis for Butler
– 2029 FRP
– 2030 FRP swap (they only have 1-20)
– 2031 FRP
– maximum cash they can send out
GSW still has 2026, 2027 and 2028 FRP to potentially add or swap and the 2030 and 2032 second round picks.
They could also add a Kuminga for Kuzma swap. But then either GP2, Podziemski or someone else would then need to get added as there is 0,1 million salary difference.
Thanassis would be waived prior to the trade and then picked up on the buyout market by GSW.
Bro there is not trade. They’re not trading Giannis for Butler Butler can’t play and the Bucks don’t own their own pics so there’s no incentive to lose right now
I think Warriors fans are in the initial stages of grief. Denial. Somewhere down the line: acceptance. I think anger comes after denial.
PS – Move Kuminga for whatever you can get.
My Bucks-Dubs trade for months and months has been
Draymond, Kuminga, Buddy, 3 FRP and a pick swap for Giannis and Thanasis.
But Jimmy and picks for Giannis is another great way to get that to happen
Look first step js to just move off of Kuminga. Going to have to accept that he’s not worth much. His peak value has come and went. Just send him to the Kings already for Monk. It’s 3.7M in cap savings.
Did you not watch the game last night? Kuminga cooked in the second half, he’s a VERY GOOD player with LOTS of value. You are wrong when you say “he’s not worth much” – thats pure wishcasting by you for your fave team to get him for cheap.
This for ALL the Warriors fans who never believed in JK ……. And for all the haters who don’t watch ball or can’t pull his stats and identify it ……
His third in NBA — at 21 yrs old. Played 74 gms.
26.3 mins, 63% FG, 70% FT, 16.1 pts, 5 reb, 2.2 ast
Any 21 yr old does this his third yr. The team would be doing cartwheels. Yet the Warriors buried him. Go look at any 21 yr old and see his stats. No reason why he isn’t better today. And some of that is on him. Teams can damage growth too. Don’t be naive ..,,,
link to basketball-reference.com
Al, many of us believed that he could contribute to this team AND develop as a player. That turned out not to be the case. Was he mismanaged? Was he incapable of improving within the Warriors system? Both things may be true. I can think of players who could have thrived here but the Warriors have not drafted well when they’ve had a high pick. I think both the team AND Kuminga share in this failure. Now it’s time to move on.
Some of us have been saying it. Warriors want to win. Kuminga just wants to get better. He is better in another system. Cause Warriors need help now. Not growing pains of a player. As far as Warriors go. Its up to them to make him the best they can. Even to trade him. They have not done that. And most blame him. That is just not justified lol.
Al, I literally have been repeating “JK leads the team in rebounds per game” for weeks and weeks, all the while getting hit with a chorus of “he’s the worst player in the league with zero trade value” sigh. Its just nonstop gaslighting around here by worthless haters…
And he’s a terrible defender. Yet rebounding is part of defense lol. He needs consistency. Maybe now he gets it. I believe in him.
I agree, I hate Steve Kerr for many reasons, but what he’s done to JK is near the top of the list. Kerr gave Anthony Lamb, a 2way scrub who has never sniffed an NBA court since, playing time over JK and Moody. Just pure idiocy by Steve. Why even do that? Lamb was not a building block.
Oh really huh. Yeah Lamb was a big time college player. Rockets gave up on him too.
He was big time at a small college (Vermont). He went into the G league after being undrafted.
I was thinking of Jeremy Lamb ?? Got it
Trade idea JK+Bucket+pick26&28 for MPJ+TMann+Claxton. Nets have a ton of cap and they need picks from 27 to 30 …
Giannis not going West for a Chip
Trade won’t work on the money end if TMann is in it, but does work if you remove him.
Butler+Kuminga for MPJ+Claxton and picks/swaps etc