2023/24 NBA Over/Unders: Atlantic Division
With the 2023/24 NBA regular season around the corner, we’re getting serious about predictions for the upcoming campaign and continuing an annual Hoops Rumors tradition.
With the help of the lines from a series of sports betting sites – including Bovada and BetOnline – we’re running through the predicted win totals for each of the NBA’s 30 teams, by division. In a series of team-by-team polls, you’ll get the chance to weigh in on whether you think those forecasts are too optimistic or too pessimistic.
In 2022/23, our voters went 16-14 on their over/under picks. Can you top that in ’23/24?
We’ll wrap up our series today with the Atlantic Division…
Boston Celtics
- 2022/23 record: 57-25
- Over/under for 2023/24: 55.5 wins
- Major offseason moves:
How many games will the Celtics win in 2023/24?
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Over 55.5 68% (431)
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Under 55.5 32% (207)
Total votes: 638
Philadelphia 76ers
- 2022/23 record: 54-28
- Over/under for 2023/24: 48.5 wins
- Major offseason moves:
- Added: Patrick Beverley, Mohamed Bamba, Kelly Oubre, Filip Petrusev, Danny Green
- Note: The Sixers have 16 players on standard contracts, so it’s possible not all of these additions will make the regular season roster.
- Lost: Jalen McDaniels, Shake Milton, Georges Niang, Dewayne Dedmon
- Added: Patrick Beverley, Mohamed Bamba, Kelly Oubre, Filip Petrusev, Danny Green
How many games will the Sixers win in 2023/24?
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Under 48.5 55% (314)
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Over 48.5 45% (258)
Total votes: 572
New York Knicks
- 2022/23 record: 47-35
- Over/under for 2023/24: 45.5 wins
- Major offseason moves:
- Added: Donte DiVincenzo, Ryan Arcidiacono
- Lost: Obi Toppin, Derrick Rose
How many games will the Knicks win in 2023/24?
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Over 45.5 54% (304)
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Under 45.5 46% (256)
Total votes: 560
Brooklyn Nets
- 2022/23 record: 45-37
- Over/under for 2023/24: 37.5 wins
- Major offseason moves:
- Added: Dennis Smith Jr., Lonnie Walker, Dariq Whitehead, Noah Clowney, Darius Bazley, Trendon Watford, Harry Giles
- Note: Bazley, Watford, and Giles are presumed to be competing for one or two roster spots.
- Lost: Joe Harris, Seth Curry, Patty Mills, Yuta Watanabe, Edmond Sumner, David Duke
- Added: Dennis Smith Jr., Lonnie Walker, Dariq Whitehead, Noah Clowney, Darius Bazley, Trendon Watford, Harry Giles
How many games will the Nets win in 2023/24?
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Over 37.5 53% (275)
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Under 37.5 47% (243)
Total votes: 518
Toronto Raptors
- 2022/23 record: 41-41
- Over/under for 2023/24: 36.5 wins
- Major offseason moves:
- Added: Dennis Schröder, Jalen McDaniels, Gradey Dick, Garrett Temple
- Lost: Fred VanVleet, Dalano Banton, Will Barton, Joe Wieskamp
How many games will the Raptors win in 2023/24?
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Over 36.5 57% (327)
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Under 36.5 43% (248)
Total votes: 575
Previous voting results:
- Denver Nuggets (53.5 wins): Over (52.0%)
- Minnesota Timberwolves (44.5 wins): Over (53.1%)
- Oklahoma City Thunder (44.5 wins): Under (53.6%)
- Utah Jazz (35.5 wins): Over (55.5%)
- Portland Trail Blazers (28.5 wins): Under (50.9%)
- Milwaukee Bucks (54.5 wins): Over (76.9%)
- Cleveland Cavaliers (50.5 wins): Under (52.0%)
- Indiana Pacers (38.5 wins): Over (64.1%)
- Chicago Bulls (37.5 wins): Under (61.9%)
- Detroit Pistons (27.5 wins): Over (53.8%)
- Memphis Grizzlies (46.5 wins): Under (52.1%)
- New Orleans Pelicans (44.5 wins): Under (60.8%)
- Dallas Mavericks (44.5 wins): Under (50.3%)
- Houston Rockets (31.5 wins): Over (59.2%)
- San Antonio Spurs (28.5 wins): Over (54.4%)
- Miami Heat (46.5 wins): Under (59.0%)
- Atlanta Hawks (42.5 wins): Under (61.1%)
- Orlando Magic (37.5 wins): Over (60.7%)
- Charlotte Hornets (31.5 wins): Under (65.8%)
- Washington Wizards (24.5 wins): Over (53.3%)
- Phoenix Suns (52.5 wins): Under (52.6%)
- Golden State Warriors (48.5 wins): Over (52.7%)
- Los Angeles Lakers (47.5 wins): Over (57.2%)
- Los Angeles Clippers (46.5 wins): Under (64.6%)
- Sacramento Kings (44.5 wins): Over (71.3%)
Raptors Seek To Have Knicks’ “Baseless” Lawsuit Dismissed
The Raptors have filed a motion in New York to dismiss the Knicks‘ lawsuit, which alleges that former employee Ikechukwu Azotam “illegally took thousands of proprietary files with him to his new position” with Toronto, according to Mike Vorkunov, Eric Koreen and Fred Katz of The Athletic.
In the motion to dismiss, Toronto called the lawsuit “baseless” and “a public relations stunt by the Knicks,” per The Athletic.
Azotam, head coach Darko Rajakovic, development coach Noah Lewis and are among several defendants in the lawsuit.
“As the Knicks surely expected and presumably intended, the filing of this lawsuit — virtually unprecedented between two members of the NBA or, frankly, two teams in any North American professional sports league — generated significant publicity,” the motion to dismiss states. “The effect of such a public accusation of wrongdoing in federal court was to tarnish the stellar reputations of Messrs. Rajaković, Lewis and Azotam, as well as MLSE (Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, the Raptors’ parent company), and to chill present and future Knicks’ employees from their pursuit of employment with other members.”
To support the claim that the Knicks were seeking publicity rather than something legitimate, the Raptors put out a timeline of events in their filing, The Athletic’s trio writes. On August 18, a day after the Knicks told the Raptors about the allegations, Toronto said it had no interest in the “proprietary” data that Azotam took and would cooperate with New York. The Knicks filed the lawsuit the next business day, August 21.
The Knicks alleged that Rajakovic “recruited and used” Azotam as a “mole.” However, the Raptors’ filing says those allegations are “false and overblown” and that the data was not confidential, but rather “publicly available information.”
“These were not the Knicks’ team and player statistics, play frequency data, player tendencies or play calls, but rather those of other NBA teams — including particularly the Raptors’ own game film — compiled from video of their games accessible to all NBA teams (and, indeed, the general public). In other words, they were far from confidential, let alone trade secrets. The Knicks surely know this,” the motion states, according to ESPN’s Baxter Holmes.
“As we have previously stated, given the theft of proprietary and confidential files and clear violation of criminal and civil law, we were left no choice but to take this to federal court and are confident the judicial system will agree,” a Knicks spokesperson said in reply to the filing.
According to Holmes, the Raptors believe that the dispute should be handled by commissioner Adam Silver instead of a federal judge, pursuant to a bylaw in the NBA’s constitution that reads, “The Commissioner shall have exclusive, full, complete, and final jurisdiction of any dispute involving two (2) or more Members of the Association.”
Obviously the Knicks disagreed, arguing the NBA doesn’t have “exclusive authority over criminal matters.” NBA general counsel Rich Buchanan later told the two teams that the league would abide by the judge’s decision on if the lawsuit should be decided by the NBA or the court.
Eastern Notes: Gobert, Fournier, Van Gundy, Wizards, Black, Howard, Hayward
Timberwolves center Rudy Gobert is disappointed that fellow Frenchman Evan Fournier has an uncertain future with the Knicks and an undefined role, he told Stefan Bondy of the New York Post. Fournier anticipated during the offseason that he would be traded.
Gobert calls Fournier “the best shooter on the Knicks.”
“I think he can contribute and help a lot of teams,” Gobert added. “I think everybody knows it. But it’s kind of weird when you end up on the bench and you don’t really know why. Sometimes you can be stuck in a situation — I know he’s going to have an opportunity again, and everybody will understand that he can help and win. And do it at a high level. And do it every night.”
We have more Eastern Conference news:
- Jeff Van Gundy, who was hired by the Celtics as a senior consultant, has a longtime admirer in president of basketball operations Brad Stevens. “Jeff has been an unofficial consultant for so many of us that grew up in coaching for a long time,” Stevens told Adam Himmelsbach of the Boston Globe. “He’s so humble and approachable, and has always gone out of his way to spend time helping others.”
- The Wizards’ Deni Avdija (back), Patrick Baldwin Jr. (knee) and Taj Gibson (groin) were all full practice participants on Sunday, Josh Robbins of The Athletic tweets. Anthony Gill (hamstring) and Landry Shamet (toe) were the only players who didn’t fully participate.
- Magic coach Jamahl Mosley felt lottery picks Anthony Black and Jett Howard showed improvement in the team’s second preseason contest against Clevleand, according to Jason Beede of the Orlando Sentinel. “That second game, they were settled down,” Mosley said. “Our coaches did a tremendous job of watching film with them to help them see what they’re able to do and they settled in that second game.”
- Hornets forward Gordon Hayward (right foot discomfort) missed the team’s preseason contest against Oklahoma City on Sunday, the team’s PR department tweets.
Robinson's Name Mentioned In Holiday Trade Talks
- Mitchell Robinson’s name came up in the Knicks’ talks with the Trail Blazers regarding a potential Jrue Holiday deal before Portland shipped Holiday to Boston, Ian Begley of SNY reports. Robinson will likely draw interest from other suitors when discussing a major trade with the Knicks, Begley adds. Robinson has three years left on his contract but the cap hit declines on a yearly basis.
Atlantic Notes: Van Gundy, Knicks, Robinson, Harden, Nets
Current Knicks head coach Tom Thibodeau worked in New York as an assistant on Jeff Van Gundy‘s staff from 1996-2001. Over two decades later, Van Gundy has been hired as a senior consultant by the division-rival Celtics.
Asked on Saturday about Van Gundy joining the Celtics, Thibodeau joked that it was “disgusting,” writes Stefan Bondy of The New York Daily News. Thibodeau was also asked if the Knicks had offered Van Gundy a similar role and hinted that Boston was a better fit for his former boss and longtime friend.
“Obviously, he’s had a lot of opportunities to do a lot of things. We’re very close friends, obviously,” Thibodeau said. “So, I’m happy for him because there are certain things that he’s looking for and I think he was able to find them there. He’s not only a great coach. He’s a great person. So, whatever is next for him, I know he’ll be great at it. But I just want him to be happy and I think he will be.”
Let’s round up a few more items from around the Atlantic…
- As Steve Popper of Newsday (subscription required) relays, center Mitchell Robinson was pleased to hear that he one of six Knicks to make ESPN’s annual list of the NBA’s top 100 players — even if he came in at the very bottom of that list, at No. 100. Thibodeau suggested on Saturday that people sometimes “overlook” what Robinson does on the court. “I think he brings great value to the team because of offensive rebounding, the pressure on the rim, the screening,” Thibodeau said. “Those things are huge for our offense. When you understand the value of shots, the kick-out threes, getting to the free-throw line, getting to the bonus early each quarter, those are things that help you win.”
- In his latest look at James Harden‘s standoff with the Sixers, Keith Pompey of The Philadelphia Inquirer (subscription required) says the star guard is “ramping up” to play in the team’s preseason finale, and adds that the Clippers have shown no inclination to improve their trade offer of a first-round pick, a pick swap, and expiring contracts. The 76ers want guard Terance Mann in a Harden package, but a source tells Pompey that Daryl Morey knows Mann is “untouchable.”
- With Dennis Smith Jr. sidelined for at least the next week due to a sprained ankle, Nets head coach Jacque Vaughn will have more opportunities to evaluate his other point guards – Ben Simmons and Spencer Dinwiddie – playing “together and separately,” he noted on Saturday. “I think Spencer has the ability to space the floor for us and shoot threes,” Vaughn said, per Peter Botte of The New York Post. “And so that is a weapon for us that we want to use. Those two on the floor, though, either one can get an outlet and push the ball up the floor. [Dinwiddie] has the ability to be a lead guard, also. So I’ll continue to play around with that.”
Knicks Monitoring Karl-Anthony Towns, Who Says He, Thibodeau Resolved Differences
The Timberwolves‘ trip to Madison Square Garden Saturday night carried a lot more intrigue that a normal preseason game. That’s because of a report from Stefan Bondy of The New York Post that the Knicks are monitoring Karl-Anthony Towns‘ situation in Minnesota in case he becomes available on the trade market.
A potential deal with the Wolves would reunite Towns with Tom Thibodeau, who coached him for two-and-a-half seasons in Minnesota. That was early in Towns’ career and their relationship was often tumultuous, but sources tell Bondy that Thibodeau would welcome the chance to coach Towns again.
“Watching the progress he’s made throughout his career, he’s as gifted as they come,” Thibodeau said. “When you look at an offensive player, particularly a big, the skill set that he has, I think we all saw, to win the three-point contest and stuff like that, there’s nothing he can’t do offensively. He has continued to get better, I think. He had some injuries to deal with. I watched him play in FIBA (the World Cup, for the Dominican Republic), he played really well there. He’s really, really gifted.”
Speaking to reporters before Saturday’s game, Towns admitted that he and Thibodeau clashed the last time they worked together, but added that they resolved their differences years ago, Bondy adds in another story. He didn’t go into details of what they talked about, but he expressed a high opinion of Thibodeau’s coaching abilities.
“I got no problems with Thibs. We’ve been squashed that,” Towns said. “I still look at Thibs as one of the best Xs and Os coaches I’ve been able to play for. He breathes winning and I got nothing but respect for him.”
Towns also refused to address any trade speculation, responding to a question by saying, “I don’t really have time to think about that.”
Bondy points out that Towns’ connections to the team and the area make the Knicks a natural destination if the Wolves ever decide to move him. In addition to his familiarity with Thibodeau, Towns is a native of northern New Jersey and team president Leon Rose is his former agent.
Towns is one of the NBA’s best-shooting big men, but his sizable contract and a potential salary crunch in Minnesota could eventually make him available. Towns’ contract extension will kick in next season, paying him roughly $49.7MM, $53.7MM, $57.7MM and $61.6MM over the next four years. Adding that to the extension Anthony Edwards received this summer and the expected new contract for Jaden McDaniels gives the Wolves a very expensive payroll for a team that has been eliminated in the first round of the playoffs the past two years.
Towns has also proven to be an awkward fit alongside Rudy Gobert, who was acquired in a trade last summer. Gobert is owed nearly $85MM over the next two seasons and has a $46.7MM player option for 2025/26, and he’s not likely to bring the return in a trade that Minnesota could get by dealing Towns.
With a roster filled with young talent and a stockpile of draft assets that can rival anyone in the league, the Knicks are well positioned to pursue the next star that becomes available. If that turns out to be Towns, the organization appears ready to consider an offer.
Atlantic Notes: Quickley, Thibodeau, Raptors, Rajakovic
Knicks guard Immanuel Quickley, who was the runner-up for Sixth Man of the Year in 2022/23, is eligible for a rookie scale extension until October 23. He says he hasn’t been focused on a new deal, according to Stefan Bondy of The New York Post.
“That’s where my faith comes in,” Quickley said. “Really all up to God. I’m not going to lie, I’ve been fortunate to not even be worrying about it. It goes days, sometimes weeks, where I just forget about all that stuff. Unless somebody reminds me. So just coming in everyday and trying to get better is my main focus.”
Head coach Tom Thibodeau praised Quickley’s dedication and confirmed that he’s focused on improving and helping the team.
“You couldn’t even ask for anything more, and I think he’s been able to put that (contract stuff) aside,” Thibodeau said, per Bondy. “I think his agents handle that. He locks into basketball, and that’s where his focus lies: team, winning. That stuff will take care of itself, but the way he’s come in, the shape that he’s in, what he’s done, Quick is — I don’t care where he is in the offseason, but one thing I know he’s gonna be in the gym twice a day. Doesn’t matter what country it is. Doesn’t matter what city it is. None of that matters.”
Here’s more from the Atlantic:
- In another article for The New York Post, Bondy argues that Thibodeau deserves a contract extension from the Knicks, not just for helping the team win, but for changing his coaching style and getting the most out of his players. Thibodeau’s deal expires after 2024/25, Bondy adds.
- New Raptors head coach Darko Rajakovic is focused on ball and player movement offensively, with cutting down on contested mid-range shots a point of emphasis, writes Eric Koreen of The Athletic. “We’re talking to our players a lot about quality of shots,” Rajakovic said. “Not every mid-range shot is a bad shot. There is a time and place when the defense is giving you certain coverage, when you catch the ball in good position and we want to take those shots. But those opportunities, usually (in) the game there (are) not a high number of those shots.”
- As far as the Raptors‘ defense under Rajakovic, center Jakob Poeltl describes it as a “happy medium” between the highly aggressive blitzing style Nick Nurse utilized last season and more passive styles deployed by other teams. “I’d say it’s somewhere like a happy medium,” he said, per Michael Grange of Sportsnet.ca. “I think still, for us, just the type of players we have, we’re not going to get away from that aggressive identity. And I think it’s good for us. It’s good for our defense. But it’s a little bit more controlled I would say, a little bit more reserved at times maybe. Yeah, a little bit less of a gambling effect than we might have had last year.”
New York Notes: Giles, Simmons, DSJ, Brunson, Hart
It has been over two years since Harry Giles last appeared in an NBA game, so he isn’t taking his opportunity with the Nets for granted, writes Dan Martin of The New York Post. Sidelined since 2021 due to knee problems, Giles is vying for a roster spot on a non-guaranteed training camp deal.
“It’s amazing,” Giles said on Wednesday after making his preseason debut on Monday. “A dream come true. The whole game, I was just like in a different world, man. I was out there competing and having fun. Just smiling, man. It’s great to be back. It’s been a long time coming, so I’m blessed.”
Giles’ comeback efforts haven’t been lost on his teammates, who admire his perseverance to get back to the NBA. Starting center Nic Claxton referred to Giles’ return as “pretty motivating,” per Martin.
“Knowing his story, knowing where he’s coming from [and] seeing a guy like Harry sticking around and still grinding,” Claxton said. “He’s been physical and obviously he knows how to play. He’s been in the league, been around the league, for a while. I think we could definitely use him this year.”
With only 13 players on fully guaranteed contracts, the Nets could have two regular season roster spots up for grabs this fall and Giles strengthened his case for one of them on Thursday, scoring 16 points on 8-of-10 shooting and grabbing 10 rebounds (six offensive) in 21 minutes in Brooklyn’s victory over Maccabi Ra’anana.
Here’s more on the NBA’s two New York teams:
- Nets point guard Ben Simmons, coming off the back injury that ended his 2022/23 season, had another encouraging showing in Thursday’s preseason game, racking up six points, nine assists, and six rebounds in 22 minutes. “As he continues to stack days and games together, then his instinctive nature comes out,” head coach Jacque Vaughn said after the game, according to Martin.
- Within the same New York Post story, Martin notes that Nets guard Dennis Smith Jr. left Thursday’s contest due to a sprained left ankle. X-rays were negative, but Smith will undergo additional testing on Friday, per Vaughn.
- Discussing his desire to win an NBA championship, Knicks guard Jalen Brunson told reporters that he doesn’t keep any of his awards – including his NCAA championship ring – around his house, since he doesn’t want to let those reminders of his past success make him complacent, writes Zach Braziller of The New York Post. “You never want to be too into yourself and think too highly of yourself,” Brunson said. “You want to be able to keep growing as a player and that’s just how I’ve been.”
- Although the Knicks are bringing along Josh Hart slowly this preseason, he and the team insist he’s healthy and that the approach has just been about make sure his body feels good after a “long summer.” Braziller has the story and the quotes from Hart and head coach Tom Thibodeau.
Knicks Notes: Sims, Hartenstein, Hart, McBride
Jericho Sims was primarily used as a center last season, but it looks like he’ll see more time at power forward, writes Fred Katz of The Athletic. Sims logged most of his 26 minutes at the four during the Knicks’ preseason opener on Monday as Josh Hart sat out the game. Hart will be the primary backup to Julius Randle after New York traded away Obi Toppin this summer, but coach Tom Thibodeau plans to employ Sims in that role as well.
“We wanted to get a look at that with (Sims) on the floor,” Thibodeau said. “With Josh out and Julius playing limited minutes, it was a good opportunity for that.”
Katz notes that Sims played just 139 minutes last season alongside either Mitchell Robinson or Isaiah Hartenstein. Thibodeau may use those combinations more often against bigger lineups, even though it limits what the team can do on offense. The lack of spacing was a concern in Monday’s game, Katz observes, as Sims was left virtually unguarded in the corner as drivers encountered multiple defenders in the paint.
Hartenstein has also been seeing time at power forward in practice, per Zach Braziller of The New York Post, and Thibodeau likes how he and Sims work together on the court.
“(Hartenstein) and Jericho, they play very effectively together. And oftentimes, I’ll go more by how they’re being defended, who do they have their 4 on, who do they have their 5 on?” Thibodeau said.
There’s more from New York:
- Hart sat out the opener because the Knicks are being cautious after he spent the summer representing Team USA in the World Cup, Braziller adds. “We just wanna make sure he’s completely healthy before we completely ramp him up,” Thibodeau said.
- The Knicks are determined not to repeat the mistakes of two years ago when they followed a playoff season by winning just 37 games, Braziller notes in a separate story. There were significant roster moves that led to that letdown, but the organization emphasized continuity this summer, with free agent Donte DiVincenzo as the only significant addition. “The team was a little different. We had to try to figure things out differently,” RJ Barrett recalled. “It didn’t end up working out. That’s what I’ll say is the difference. This year, we added Donte, but we pretty much have the same guys out there. I think it should be better.”
- Miles McBride believes he’ll be able to earn playing time, even though four guards currently appear to be ahead of him, according to Stefan Bondy of The New York Post. The defensive specialist worked to improve his three-point shot this summer and spent time training with his older brother in Australia. “I feel like the way I play, I’m going to create an opportunity for myself,” McBride said.
New York Notes: Simmons, Thomas, Exhibition Game, Toppin
The initial returns on Ben Simmons‘ comeback from the back ailment that wrecked his 2022/23 season were encouraging, according to Brian Lewis of the New York Post. The Nets guard had 10 points, three assists and a steal in 14 first-half minutes against the Lakers on Monday.
“[It felt] amazing. That’s really it, just amazing,” Simmons said. “Happy to be out there, and compete, and feel good out there and able to contribute like I know how I can. So I felt great. It’s the best in two years for sure.”
We have more on the New York teams:
- In the same game, Cam Thomas led the Nets with 26 points. His other contributions were more noteworthy to coach Jacque Vaughn as Thomas tries to secure a rotation spot, Lewis writes in a separate story. “He can flat out score the basketball,” Vaughn said. “I look at the other things, and he knows that. What were the box outs? Was he running hard? Is he communicating with his teammates? Did he know where he was supposed to be on the floor? So those things he’s really taken strides in and give him a lot of credit. And with credit comes playing time.” Thomas’ $2,240,160 salary for this season was picked up by the club last year. The Nets hold a $4,041,249 option on his contract for next season and must make a decision on it this month.
- Despite the war in Israel, the Nets’ preseason game against Maccabi Ra’anana is still expected to take place Thursday at Barclays Center. The exhibition hasn’t been cancelled or delayed, Lewis tweets.
- There’s still a Toppin on the Knicks, though he’s a long shot to make the roster. While the front office traded away his brother Obi to Indiana, Jacob Toppin is trying to prove he’s an NBA player, Kristian Winfield of the New York Daily News writes. “He’s my brother, but he has his own path and I have my own path, and this whole process, I’ve been trying to focus on myself and be better every single day and that’s what I’ve been doing,” Jacob said. “This whole summer is just working to be a better version of myself everyday. So, that’s what I’ve been focused on.” The younger Toppin signed an Exhibit 10 deal after going undrafted out of Kentucky. He’s likely to wind up with the G League’s Westchester Knicks.