The Mavericks and Raptors are among the teams that would be interested in Rudy Gobert if the Jazz make him available this summer, Marc Stein said in his latest podcast (hat tip to RealGM).
ESPN’s Tim MacMahon mentioned Dallas as a possible destination earlier this week. Stein confirms that and adds Toronto to the mix, saying the Raptors have been in the market for a center for a long time.
Utah’s late-season slump has raised speculation that major changes may be coming in the offseason, which could include breaking up the combination of Gobert and Donovan Mitchell, who have a rocky history as teammates. If that happens, Gobert seems more likely to be dealt.
Gobert expressed frustration Saturday night after the Jazz let a 16-point lead slip away in the fourth quarter of a loss to the Warriors, tweets Eric Walden of The Salt Lake Tribune. “It’s tough. It’s tough,” he said. “I don’t know how many times it’s gonna happen.”
Gobert is a two-time All-Star and three-time Defensive Player of the Year who is in contention for his fourth award this season. He has three years and $123MM left on his current contract, plus a $46.65MM player option for the 2025/26 season.
Toronto never should have traded JoVal imo. That’s done & over tho. As far as Rudy it’s gonna be tough for them to acquire him. OG & Precious would probably headline the offer but they’re gonna have to get creative to make the $ match. As far as their competition, Houston could offer CWood, Wall, Jae’Sean, Brooklyn’s ’24 1st & Hous ’25 2nd for French Rudy, UConn Rudy & Juancho…. Charlotte could offer PJ, Mase, T$unami P, Bouknight & a pick swap for Rudy…. & Dallas could offer THJ, Powell, Josh Green, ’25 & ’27 1sts (top10 protected & a 2nd for Rudy…
If I am Utah I wouldn’t want THJ instead Smith who is younger and a better future.
Those guys bout the same age. Also if Utah is getting Powell in this deal they’d want a scorer like THJ more than another big forward. Plus I’m sure Dallas would be more hesitant to lose Dorian than Tim Jr for multiple reasons. I could see Dorian possibly being included in a Gobert deal but much more likely it would be THJ, Kleber, Powell
Smith who?
Oh Finney-Smith. I doubt he’s included.
Who is jobal
Jonas Valanciunas
The Raptors got Marc Gasol for Valanciunas, who helped them win a championship.
Not only that, but JV would literally NOT be able to play for this Raptors team. He doesn’t have the switchability on defense that Nick Nurse requires in order to see the floor.
You just don’t know Raptors basketball, bro. I love JV, he’s family. But he literally wouldn’t and couldn’t play for this version of the Raptors. He’s not good enough.
Marc Gasol was an integral piece of our championship team. We don’t miss JV one IOTA. Still love watching him succeed this year, though.
They would win it even easier with JoVal. He was better than Marc then & the gap has obv only gotten wider since. JoVal could play on any team & make them better. Look at this NO team for instance. Tbh it was Toronto not feeding him more in the playoffs vs Cleveland that got the upset the yr before. Bron went crazy obv, but they would beat the Cavs if they featured JoVal more in that series fr. Plus they moved Delon in that deal too. Obv keeping him woulda helped during that title run as well as the last few yrs & now & in the next few yrs. Please don’t forget that Toronto was extremely dominant that yr before they made that trade & this is with or without Kawhi. With Marc they were 18-8 & his PER was 26. They were 23-7 with JoVal that yr & he had a 24.4 PER. Marc Gasol was really good in Memphis but he pretty much fell off a cliff after that title run. Giving up JoVal is the reason they need a 5 now. Giving up Delon in that same deal hurts too. The Raptors have enough long, rangy defenders to hide JoVal when he has to switch on guards the same way they hide Freddie when he has to switch on bigs. But lol if you think JoVal “isn’t good enough” to play for the Raptors or any team on earth you missed A LOT during his time in Canada
Bro, you’re speaking on sht you know absolutely nothing about, and it shows.
Stick to Atlanta basketball. Toronto basketball isn’t made for you, bro. There is NO effing way JV could ever play for this Raptors team. You just don’t understand basketball, frankly.
It’s not about the other long, rangy defenders making up for JV. We play defense as a UNIT. JV literally is not good enough to play for this Raptors squad. He doesn’t fit.
The fact you said the Raps should’ve hung on to JV, when not only does he not fit and wouldn’t play for us now, but we got Marc for him, who helped us win a championship, shows how frankly cement headed you are when it comes to your takes on here.
I’m still waiting for TJ Warren’s “imminent” return, btw.
Stick to what you know. Otherwise, you sound out place.
JoVal just had a career yr last yr in Memphis. He’s playing even better this yr in New Orleans. But disregard that bc as far as his time in Toronto he’s probably a top10 player in the history of that franchise. And this is without the ring & playing in extremely guard centric-teams. Demar & Kyle were great but Toronto doesn’t make that leap into contender status around the middle of last decade without Jonas being as good as he was. He wasn’t a perfect fit for the team he got traded from & he’s not a perfect fit now but it’s extremely obvious that the boy can play on any team. He’s not the best defender, def not the quickest of foot, but overall he’s about average defensively. When you factor in that he’s a perennial top5 rebounder in the league it’s clear he’s an asset defensively.
Just because he helped them get established as a winning team doesn’t mean he fit better than Gasol.
I won’t even quibble about JV being a top 10 player in franchise history. Yet Gasol was still a better fit and an important part of that championship. Without Gasol that Raptors team loses to Philly in the 2nd round.
I can agree that Gasol was a better fit. JoVal was just a better overall player tho & like I say that has only magnified since then. I’m a huge Masai Ujiri fan but that was his worst trade imo. I was very against it at the time & even tho they won the title I think it made their team worse then & for yrs to come. Gasol was a better passer & shooter which are qualities that helped Toronto. But again they never should made that deal.
Well sure, he’s inarguably a better asset today. The Raptors were buying experience at the expense of youth. Not a novel way to gun for a ring. Would they have ever possibly won if not for that trade? Don’t discount the importance of a defensive anchor who can read the elite offensive players. Never should have made that deal you say?
You’re absolutely right it made their future more dim. But it was living for the present they were going for and if you want to argue with the results you will have a hard time convincing anyone you know better today.
Marc had a 16 PER not 26
You literally explained that better than anyone could. You’re literally the best poster on here.
This ain’t nothin new. Been sprinkling basketball knowledge on the thirsty masses since the early 90s #zerocap #comegetasip
Haha, I was actually making fun of how often Theone writes “literally”. But you’re fun to talk hoops with.
Oh lol I missed that. But same bro fr I love to talk shxt & I love basketball so I vibe with anybody that’s the same
No idea why you would put Houston into the trade talks while offering draft picks and a young player like Tate Jr. it seems to be too much to give up for any trade. I realize Houston is light on the big men around the rim, but that trade proposal make little sense to Houston.
Would not make sense to trade him to Dallas because of competing in the same conference unless Dallas over pays by a lot. Toronto makes a lot more sense for them to trade to.
It’s all about who gives them the best offer. Mavs & Hornets have more options for Utah to choose from so it’s just naturally easier to make a deal with them. Facing Rudy 3x a yr instead of 2x a yr prob won’t be a huge factor in where he gets dealt
I can give a few more teams that could give Utah a much better offer for Gobert. I don’t see Dallas giving them non all stars as a good trade. Why not include the knicks in a trade offer around Randle or Pistons around Grant. Knicks match up a lot better than Dallas or Raptors.
Feel free to give us your Knicks offer or the other teams with better offers. I’d love to hear em fr. I thought about Detroit but I don’t think they’d go all in on a guy like Gobert with how young & inexperienced their team still is. NYC might want Rudy if Mitch Robinson leaves but it’s sorta similar issue as with Detroit.
If UTA trades Rudy they ain’t gonna be competing for anything, mind you they don’t now at all neither!
But I would rather trade Mitchell & keep Rudy, although I am not much of a fan of either, but… Rudy is just sooo much more important to the team than Mitchell!
Conference?
Did this take come from the 80’s?
NBA teams hardly care about regular season standings anymore. The reg season is for building some cohesion and hopefully staying healthy when it all matters
Stick to LeBron hating ARC; its what your good at…The adults will take care of the heavy lifting
Knicks, Lakers and Rockets would target Donovan Mitchell
Overpaid or handsome offers are absolutely needed. Do you ever hear about the name Danny Ainge?
What is your handsome offer?
Are the offers beatable?
Every team in the league will target Mitchell if he becomes available. But he won’t
Utah has no reason to trade Mitchell who would command a great package for his services.
Mavs have 3 big long term salaries to offer for Rudy.
Hardaway
Dinwiddie
Bertans
IMO,
Warriors have a better offer than Mavs.
Wiggins, Wiseman and more future draft picks
Younger and better
Mavs have way more than those 3 guys lol
You’re spot on Sankara. The entire team, minus Luka, would likely be available for another star. Not to mention a couple first round draft picks. Mavs are a fairly deep team and could offer a strong overall package depending on what Utah is looking for.
Yea (unless they win the West or something) Dallas seems like they’ll be aggressive on the trade market. I feel like there’s teams that can make better offers for Rudy tho. Especially Charlotte
Why would the Jazz trade Rudy for a handful of has been’s?
Number one they would figure they need to make a major change to the starting lineup.
Number two with that salary you can’t be too picky about what players you get back
Number three your hands are tied as there’s only a handful of teams that can accommodate a huge salary like Gobert.
Even with those caveats there’s no way they trade him for such an embarrassing return. They may not get a big return, but they’d easily clear this type of bar.
They wouldn’t, Gobert isn’t someone you can just replace. He would have to ask for a trade and it would still take a very good offer as he’s under team control for 3 more seasons and he’s a top 3 center in the league.
I hear ya DS1 ….I don’t think they do if there’s no off court issues .
But if there is, then better to move fast then drag your feet…
None of us probably know what the temperature is but if it’s hot then we see movement , movement that will certainly be sought after this offseason with teams having limited cap and furthermore nothing to really spend it on in free agency even if they did
Those has beens are a game out of the 3rd seed and THJ has been hurt for over a month.
If I’m the Raptors, I will target Mitchell Robinson instead of overpaid Gobert. He’s is good defensively but if it means losing key young talent, I won’t do it. And Robinson is within their timeline and much cheaper.
Agreed. And he has been underutilized during his entire career with the Knicks. There is additional upside there at what should be a fairly reasonable cost.
Godspeed and farewell, time to prove your worth on some (any) other team.
As a mavs fan. I rather get myles turner who’s an expiring contract (after 2023 season) and then go after Jokic
Doubtful that Indy would wanna trade Myles now
Go after Joker?
How?
You realize the Mavs can’t sign a free agent for like 4 years right ….. This stuff is important guys
Why can’t the Mavs sign a free agent? What are you talking about?
Mitch Robinson is a FA. Mavs can get him for Money. Something their owner has plenty of. Knicks are not signing to big money. He’s a good fit for Mavs. And would get plenty of easy points from Luka. Plus you can play him with Powell.
I’d love to get Dinwiddie in a sign n trade out of this.
Just contradicted yourself there. If they have to give up Dinwiddie to get him then that clearly refutes your original statement that “Mavs can get him for Money”
He’s a FA….. I need to explain that to you.
If they give him 20 mill they can have him.
He can still agree to sign n trade. If Mavs want to watch their cap space. Dude you really must be 15 yrs old. There is nothing about ball I don’t know. Doesn’t mean I can’t be wrong. But that’s the beauty of sports.
Since I have to look up everything for you. The Mavs are over the cap next yr. So they can’t get him unless it’s a sign n trade.
But my point is. Knicks do t want to pay him big money. So would absolutely move him in a sign n trade. Pistons like him. And could sign him outright.
It’s freakin boring having to look up facts for your argument. Lol when will you catch up
Lol yea exactly. They can only get someone like Robinson in a sign & trade, which (as I already said) contradicts your claim that the Mavs can get him for $ & that it matters how rich Mark Cuban is. Please understand it this time I can’t be repeating myself over and over
They can get him for money cause we won’t pay him. You can’t be this dumb lol. That’s in the first post. Whoever wants him can have him. If you want to pay him. Knicks would gladly sign him then trade him. It’s amazing what lost soul you are. I’m not the enemy lol.
The whole point. Is he is available.
U like Rudy.
He costs less than Rudy.
And he will cost less in a trade than Rudy.his age is more agreeable to Lukas age.
And I can go on and on. Go get your pacifier and calm down lol.
Like I said this is boring.
And again. I’d love to get Dinwiddie out of this. It’s actually good for both teams.
This guy really just said there is nothing about basketball that he doesn’t know lol and was completely serious haha that’s great shxt right there… but my dude, the Mavs are way over the cap. They have zero cap space now & for yrs to come. They can’t offer Robinson $20M
Sure they can. It’s called a sign n trade you toddler. I doubt Knicks would pay more than 7-8 mill. Frankly I don’t think they want him. They are gaging his value for a trade. So Mavs who need a D center with a future. Can offer him 10 mill or more. 20 mill is to exaggerate the point. But how would you understand that right.
I’m still baffled by how many people don’t understand the cap in here
Dallas can’t get anyone in free agency for a long long time
No Joker for the guy above , no Mitch, not even a bag of peanuts … Cmon guys this is first day of class stuff
Money can be moved. You are like the common NFL fan who worries his team is over the cap. Then they flip a bunch of switches and turn it into signing bonuses and all of a sudden have 30M. If they can get Joker they will make room for his salary. Plain and simple.
Short answer- No, your not even close
Long answer- It’s better you travel that path yourself
A common fan is someone who dreams his team can get anyone they want, ignoring the forces at play, which are more than the cap.
Based on the salary required to send out to take back Gobert, a trade to the Raptors is impossible this off season without destroying the team in the first place.
Was my first thought as well!
Most clowns on here don’t understand basic arithmetic. Winning a made up argument over false facts. Is more rewarding to them. Nobody in NBA is trading for Rudy and his 37 mill contract next yr. I think they have all learned from Wall and Westbrook by now.
The difference being with Rudy is that he completely changes your defense overnight. Wall and Westbrook can’t say that. The question then becomes what kind of future draft picks are teams willing to give up for Gobert.
I could see a 3-team trade happen between the Jazz, Dallas, and Knicks. I’d personally want Mitchell Robinson, THJ, and Dinwiddie. Could add in filler and draft picks as needed. If course, Robinson would need to be a sign and trade. But the Jazz get a piece to replace Gobert to a lesser degree, but then get some vets who aren’t afraid to shoot/score.
I could also see the Jazz trading Conley. Lots of teams would want a veteran point guard. The Jazz would then have Donovan run point or Dinwiddie or take turns.
The Jazz definitely need to make some changes, though. Ideally, I would love the Jazz to go long and athletic at every position. However, that’ll take time.
Great post Benboy
I don’t think they NEED to make changes but it sounds as if they might HAVE too unfortunately so have to make the best outta it
Agree on the 3 teamer….Conley would be perfect for New Orleans if they could get Spencer back… giving them value there as well
The Dal-Utah-NYK connection looks solid…maybe somehow NYK can net Brunson as well ….could fold New Orleans in 4 team to get Conley
With the dull free agency there’s going to be some big deals going down summertime
Nobody today in NBA needs to pay a Center 37 mill to change their D. Only if your team is totally built around it. Jazz had no choice to pay Rudy. But no team is paying him that. Centers are not valued and rightfully so. Rudy is a great D player and team player. But I can get McGee and Drummond for 7 mill to do the same. Unless your Embiid or Jokic. You don’t deserve max money.
“Long & athletic” is a choice that supercedes other choices. You can’t have everything.
As a league-wide follower I like to see some diversity, not everyone trying to do the same things with the same talent-base with all the games looking the same.
PS uniforms should not be either black or white, which seems to be the trend. Pick a color, how hard is that.
Not true AL…Dallas would jump at the opportunity to bring in Rudy
The problems facing that trade is Utah doesn’t get much of value back adding up all the salaries…in fact some might argue its hard to not get negative value. Dallas would probably have to empty its already dented draft picks and find a 3rd party excited about one of there players not Luca to engage as Benboy eludes too . And even then draft picks don’t excite Utah all that much today
Biggest take from all this tho –
This sucks for Utah, a team already running up hill in ALL facets can’t afford to have off court drama seep into the system they have so delicately formed the last half decade ….. They had to overpay Rudy to get him to stay in the first place, that kinda sucks…but at least they got to build a system around him and the team….Now they will have a mash pot of salaries and have to start a whole new system if they do indeed have to put Rudy on the market
Raptors as Will oriningally said have NO path to addding Rudy without totally gutting what they already have …Odds on Tor+Rudy less than 0.0001%
I hope Rudy stays and somehow I hope Utah gets a ship in the next 4 years but this is a troubling headline for that organization make No mistake if it bears fruit
Only fools can believe an NBA team would trade for Rudy and his 37 mill a yr contract.
The Mavs still have THJ for $17.9M AAV and Bullock is covering those minutes for another $10M. The Mavs current starting C is Powell @ $11.8M next year. Throw in they also have Bertans on the books @ $16M, and Gobert is better than those two combined.
Dallas would be happy to take on Gobert if they could somehow move on from THJ and Bertans in the process.
Unfortunately very true, Gobert does not deserve anywhere near as much given his offensive inability.
Everyone talks how Gobert changes everything on the defense yet nobody talks how ineffective he is on the offense – literally only screens, lobs and otherwise pathetic attempts to the basket.
If Utah flames out in the playoffs, Mitchell and filler to Portland for Dame.
Utah goes all in for 2-3 years and Portland gets a young star to rebuild with.
Yeah and why would Jazz want any of those players. Again nobody is trading for Rudy. And why would Jazz want to. You will never get value for him. He’s not valuable to any team except Jazz at 37 mill. I like Rudy but he’s overpaid. Even Jazz know that.
Again? Really dislike the headline?
Well it will get ugly if it happens.