At a meeting in Athens in July with one of his agents, Giorgos Panou, and Bucks general manager Jon Horst, star forward Giannis Antetokounmpo expressed some concern about whether Milwaukee will be capable of competing for a title and wanted to explore the idea of a possible “alternative path forward,” league sources tell Shams Charania of ESPN.
According to Charania, Bucks sources were worried that meeting would result in a formal trade request from the two-time MVP, who had “serious questions” about the Bucks’ championship potential. While Antetokounmpo has repeatedly stressed both publicly and privately that he wants to be in position to vie for another ring, this offseason was the first time he “truly initiated the pursuit of his best external options,” writes Charania.
Although Antetokounmpo and his representatives internally discussed several teams as possible fits for him in the event that he were to leave Milwaukee, only a single club emerged as one he’d be interested in playing for, per Charania: the Knicks.
Based on Giannis’ questions about Milwaukee’s roster and his interest in New York, the Bucks and Knicks engaged in discussions in August, sources tell ESPN, but the two teams never gained any traction toward a trade involving the 30-year-old.
As Charania details, the Bucks made it clear during those conversations that they preferred to hang onto Antetokounmpo, and sources in Milwaukee indicated to ESPN that the Knicks didn’t make a strong enough push for the forward to warrant continuing the talks. The Knicks, meanwhile, didn’t feel as if the Bucks were ever serious about legitimately considering a trade, sources tell ESPN, though Charania says it’s unclear how Milwaukee would’ve responded if New York was more aggressive in its pursuit.
Of course, the Knicks aren’t especially well positioned to make a strong offer for Antetokounmpo. They only currently have one tradable first-round pick, and it’s a heavily protected Wizards selection that will likely turn into a pair of second-rounders. That means any Knicks offer for Antetokounmpo would have to be heavy on player value, and New York’s veteran stars may have limited appeal to a Bucks team that would presumably be looking to rebuild – or at least retool – if they traded their best player.
After those conversations with the Knicks didn’t go anywhere, the Bucks signed Giannis’ brother Thanasis Antetokounmpo and committed to opening the season with the nine-time All-Star on their roster. However, there’s an expectation that Giannis will keep his options open depending on how the Bucks play in the first half of this season, according to Charania, who says 2025/26 is viewed as a “make-or-break” year in Milwaukee.
Antetokounmpo, who is under contract through at least 2026/27 (with a player option for ’27/28), could have quieted the trade speculation by unequivocally reaffirming his commitment to the Bucks at media day last week. Instead, he confirmed that offseason reports about him weighing his options were accurate and reiterated that he wants to win another championship. He also told reporters that he couldn’t recall a June conversation described an hour earlier by Bucks governor Wes Edens in which he said he was “very committed” to Milwaukee.
Still, as Charania writes, some rival executives believe that Antetokounmpo would have needed to create more of a public “spectacle” this summer if he truly wanted to be traded, which would run counter to his personality. He ultimately didn’t apply any pressure publicly to the Bucks during the offseason, Charania notes.
Funny. If Giannis wants to leave the Bucks, he would only go to the Knicks. So all the other endless talk of other destinations is just kind of pointless, a broken record. Time to move on.
I’m sure a few GSW fans that post here are crushed!
Are you accusing me of mocking people? Perish the thought you heathen!!!…Just joking.
Yawn…He will end up retiring a Buck.
The irony of Giannis to the Dubs is that Curry was basically traded to the Bucks. His ankles nixed that part of the trade.
My first thought was what could Knicks possibly offer. I doubt Bucks were serious just showing Gino they’d entertain his desires.
Probably they backed up a brinks truck of oreos and chicken mcnuggets for him lol to his house. And gino made them give his trainer a job.
Yea it would be a very odd package of players coming back. Like Kat, OG. Kat, Bridges etc. Just nothing makes sense for the bucks
They would NEVER give all of that up, get outta here 🤣🤣
That’s too much? Lmao I hope you realize it would cost KAT, one of OG/bridges plus multiple draft picks
Yes but likely in a 3 way with other assets, picks going back to the Bucks. KAT, OG worth more to other teams than a Bucks team without Giannis.
Kat and OG would be my guess, but I don’t see the Knicks making that deal. It forces Hart back into the lineup (reducing solid depth) and lightens the C position to solely rely on MR – which is always a health concern. Starting lineup would look great – MR, Giannis, Bridges, Hart, Brunson, but injury to MR and one less pivotal piece off the bench hurts.
…. And the salaries don’t work.
There would be more to balance it out.
NY would never part with all three . And if they did two of the three the bucks are not getting multiple first rounds with it.
You’re joking right? For Giannis? You surely jest.
They could have made the Knicks take Kuzma, one of the worst contracts in the league… still wouldn’t have had enough though
Shams and his lack of credibility shines through once again. The real report is New York asked and Milwaukee said no… but we gotta sell those ads so…
Source?
Milwaukee fans in denial.
The Bucks FO literally made Kyle Kuzma and Myles Turner as the big 3 with Giannis. Their roster is terrible. Giannis -should- want out, as his owner and front office are doing nothing to help him win! They aren’t going to win a single minute he’s off the court, this roster is legit a headscratcher as to why it’s so bad. I don’t get how these are the group of guys you put around Giannis. How? Why? Just…Giannis, bro…run.
This a-hole just jeeps doubling down on this narrative.
Cope, it’s real. The Bucks do nothing to deserve Giannis and surround him with the dumbest roster imaginable.
Finally Doc took the shot at Shams, we’ve all been waiting for someone to take. At least every one sick of the d-bags clickbait factless reports for the last few years.
“You create a story, then you report on a story you created”
Finally an FU to ESPN and that hack “reporter” from the organization.
link to facebook.com
Giannis going to Miami
For Bam and a pina-coloda?
Just the pina colada
VOTE HERE. WHEN DOES GIANNIS GET TRADED?
1. Before this season trade deadline.
2. After this season.
3. Never.
Time isn’t on Bucks side. As soon as Giannis asks for a trade and gives his short list the offers get worse. Bucks should have moved him this summer when they still had control.
2 (only if he ever asks to be traded)
3.
I think ultimately he is like Steph Curry. Curry did this exact same posturing his whole career.
I think Giannis does love Milwaukee and wants to retire a Buck. But I think he will never say that out loud, because he wants the Bucks to stay on edge and put max effort in every year. So he’s gonna say anything he can possibly say to pressure the Bucks.
But he’s not going anywhere. He’s a loyal and proud guy at heart.
No Curry did not do this same posturing his entire career.
Every comparison you made to Curry is wrong.
Years ago. Curry was basically traded to the Bucks.
Curry wasn’t posturing when they almost traded him. It was 2012, back when curry was a nobody.
If GSW goes to MIL and says “We keep Steph, but have at whoever else you want, plus whatever picks, for Giannis.” it’s going to happen. This is what I believe Lacob’s grand plan is all along, just stack quality players and picks and pounce when Giannis makes himself available by demanding out of Milwaukee, which might happen, as the Milwaukee front office has been a complete disaster trying to build a competitive roster around Giannis. Myles Turner and Kyle Kuzma as a big 3 is most definitely not it.
@daveyj
W’s don’t have enough to offer. Butler matches salary and Podz is a great value at $5 million a year. But W’s don’t have enough draft capital. Kuminga is only other player on roster with any trade value.
Also Giannis will take a pass on playing with Steph at 40. The W’s would be like Bucks all over again.
Giannis is headed to either Knicks OR Spurs to play with Wemby OR Houston. I’m taking Spurs
“But W’s don’t have enough draft capital”
2026, 27, 28, 29, 31, 32 firsts
2030 and 31 (maybe) seconds.
That’s more than enough, especially if Butler and Kuminga are in the deal. Giannis+Steph means the window will stay open literally until 2032, which will cover Steph’s career. This is Lacob’s plan as far as I have been able to put together from himself. Steph at 40 is going to be a top 10 guy, he isn’t falling off at all, my brother in hoop. Sorry, I flat out reject the notion Steph will not be elite at age 40.
Also, making this a multiple teamer fixes any issue you might have.
Yes, this does intend to completely redesign the Warriors roster so it’s Giannis, Steph and quality depth. Draymond might be gone.
Butler doesn’t have value like you think he does Davey J.
He does but it’s mostly his money that must go in a deal for another highly-paid player. Plenty of teams would take Jimmy in a multi-teamer. Jimmy+Luka makes more sense than Lebron+Luka.
The Lakers would be wise to pair Luka with someone in their prime, like Giannis. Why would they get Butler when he’s 36!
Because Jimmy is a playmaker, and pass first, and Luka is one of the best scorers of all-time. Jimmy would be feeding Luka like 50 PPG.
If that’s real then why didn’t Steph score 49.99 PPG during the second half of last year? lol but anyway man I know Butler can still hoop but for how long? He’s worth more to the old core GSW team. They invested in him for a reason. He matches their setting sun timeline. Time to ride the story out bro. Giannis aint coming. The good news is that GSW should be able to legitimately compete in a 7 game series with anyone if they stay healthy this year.
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Didn’t Shams invent click bait?
Asking for a friend >.>
Woj predated Shams. It’s a grift unto itself. Post-journalism. Nothing has to be real.
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“Giannis on Jalen Brunson January: “One of the best players in the league. One of the best point guards in the league…He takes his time; whenever you show your hand he’s gonna take advantage…He’s extremely smart so you just gotta do a better job on him”
It’s NY …… why wouldn’t he want to do it here.
Only way it happens. Is in a three way trade. The best trade for Bucks has always been the Spurs. Nobody else can give them a better deal. I actually thought it would happen at draft.
Knicks are one of favorites to win the East. Yet we got so called basketball people and experts. Making up all kinds of trades. Knicks were put together last year. So one year later we want to break them up ……. Thats just Brilliant ……
Two things Knicks need. Bridges to breakout offensively. And Towns to get his act together defensively ……. Two Things.
If the Bucks trade Giannis, they are in a rebuild. OKC would be able to offer more. They have enough young talent that they could probably part with players, 3 1sts, and 4 2nds and not have to worry about their future drafting.
@giants74. NO!
OKC is least likely team in NBA to trade for Giannis. OKC just won Championship and are heavily favored for this season.
OKC have SGA + 2 young studs locked in for the next 6 years. On great contracts.
You can’t improve on how well OKC is set up for next 6 seasons.
OKC has so much talent and draft capital they could easily make the trade and their depth would barely take a hit / be replenished in 1-2 years anyway because of all their picks. Even after a trade like that!
Yes Thunder can also do it. Definitely have the players and assets. Bucks have no future picks. I don’t see why he isn’t traded. Bucks can rebuild in a year.
KAT will never get his act together defensively.
He played better last year than he ever did in Minny. It’s more about team D. He can be helped there.
Towns won’t do that! Bridges will.
“Although Antetokounmpo and his representatives internally discussed several teams as possible fits for him in the event that he were to leave Milwaukee, only one club emerged as one he’d be interested in playing for, per Charania: the Knicks”
There goes the pipe dream for the dubs or anybody else aside from the Knicks.
@@easymoney Dude. What is your issue? Why can’t you read? If the Bucks trade Giannis, they are in a rebuild. How could you miss that part? What do want in a rebuild? Draft picks. OKC has plenty to give up and not worry.
Furthermore, OKC is going to have to move some of those long term big contracts. The CBA is going to punish them. They’ll probably be able recoup the picks they gave up for Giannis.
Teams don’t go into tanking and rebuilding WITHOUT THEIR OWN PICKS. OKC don’t own Milwaukee’s picks.
Their picks belong to Portland (Lillard trade) and are scattered around the league (NOP, Atlanta). If Milwaukee were to somehow get those back, they could possibly consider trading Giannis. But it’s not going to happen. So Milwaukee will try to retain Giannis by hook or by crook. The first pick they own is in 2031, 6 years from now.
What? Where is it written that the Bucks can’t trade for draft picks? Only the Thunder can use other team’s draft picks? The Nets were able to use other teams draft picks in 2025. Why can’t the Bucks?
It’s not about not using other teams’ picks. If you rebuild, you can:
1. Do it with your own first-rounders only. You tank for a couple of years, getting a high pick #1-5 every year. GSW could do that if they wanted to because they own their future first.
2. You can try to accelerate the process by collecting more picks. That’s what OKC did after the PG trade, what Brooklyn are doing now with all those picks they got from Kyrie, KD, Bridges trades. So you still tank and get high picks that are your own, plus you add picks that can be #10, #20 or whatever to get more tickets.
What you don’t do is you don’t tank WITHOUT your own firsts, only with somebody else’s picks, which will be in the teens or 20s. That is not a rebuild but a parody. If Milwaukee trade away Giannis and get in return picks that are #8 and #21 in 2026, #16 and #30 in 2027, #10 and #19 in 2028 (just random numbers for illustration), that would be a disaster. That is not how you rebuild. Those are the spots where Chicago usually pick, and they aren’t getting anywhere, are they?
NBA teams that currently mostly don’t own their firsts: LAC, Denver, Milwaukee, Phoenix. Those teams simply can’t tank and rebuild, they have to compete.
Klay Thompson was picked #11. Draymond Green was #30. Jokic was picked #41. You can still find value later in the draft if you are smart about your choices.
Not easy to do it that way lol. Has to be lottery picks at least two top 10 picks in two years. Scouting and development imo is one most important things. Yet not everyone does it right. Especially with the changing of coaches and staff. Knicks had this problem for over 20 yrs.
Joker going so late because everyone was scared he was not going to commit to basketball and instead just train horses lol
@Peter_Cantrope
Good topic! And you are right about most of it. But not all !!
But I don’t think a team can only do your 1. if they want to rebuild fast. You have to be SO lucky. Who has succeeded going this way? This sounds like Charlotte. A high lottery pick every year doesn’t do it when the rest of your roster is trash. You can’t rebuild slowly. It must be fast or it will go on forever.
A team must do your 1. AND 2. Look at OKC, HOU, ORL, and SAS. It’s a numbers game. You need 2-3 picks for every winner. A team must trade all its starters for draft picks.
UTA, CHA, and CHA are teams that are failing at rebuild because they are going too slow. UTA messed up worst. They should have traded Markkanen for picks and young players but now they are stuck with his $50 million contract. CHI is trying to rebuild while making the play-in every year. CHA should have moved Lamelo last season, now it’s too late.
Detroit didn’t have any extra picks. It took them a while, but they got there. Minnesota only drafted Jarrett Culver in 2019 and Ant in 2020 and that’s it, if I remember correctly. Other than that, they acquired other players in trades.
Having more picks helps, but not mandatory.
A successful rebuild takes three seasons to return to the playoffs. 4 seasons is considered acceptable. 5 or more years and the GM gets fired along the way.
The Detroit rebuild actually proves my point. It took them nine years and they fired three GM’s along the way. Last season was the first time since 2015 they finished over .500. They had a lottery pick each season but that’s not enough.
Minnesota isn’t considered a rebuild. Outside of getting lucky in the draft to get Edwards Minnesota mostly traded good players and future draft picks to improve. Trading away all your draft capital for veteran players is a way to get better right away but it’s not a rebuild. Most owners won’t let a GM do that because it mortgage s the future.
Minnesota had great assets in 2017 when they made the playoffs. Then they traded Butler to Philly and Wiggins and a first to Warriors. Then they traded young players and tons of firsts for Gobert. Getting Edwards was mostly luck. Minnesota had a terrible record in 2018 because they had a lot of injuries including KAT. They got lucky in the draft and picked Edward’s #1.
I agree that Minnesota’s half-rebuild was not a textbook rebuild. And that Detroit took a really long time and was not done well. But they are examples of rebuilds anyway. Minnesota got lucky with Ant, but so did SA with Wemby.
Minnesota drafted Ant and then mostly traded their picks, but Cleveland did a very similar thing. Drafted Garland, Okoro and Mobley, and then traded away all five 2025-2029 firsts. But it’s a rebuild.
As for 3-year being successful, 4 acceptable, and longer being a failure, I don’t think that’s applicable in the modern NBA. SA haven’t made the playoffs for 6 years now. But they are chuffed over there with what they have, aren’t they?
3-year timeline is a thing of the past in the modern NBA with its flattened-odds lottery. People praise Washington for doing things the right way, but I don’t think they’re getting anywhere anytime soon with what they have, despite drafting in the lottery for 3 years in a row. They got the 6th pick this year, which is much less likely to get them somewhere than picks #1 or #2. I predict that they will still be tanking in 27-28, and not because they have an incompetent FO.
Honestly, I wouldn’t want to be in a GM chair with the new lottery. You trade your players away, promise the owner “we’ll draft a world-beater and will get back to winning in a couple of years”, finish dead last in the league, and still have only a 50% chance to get picks 1-4, and a 50% chance to get the 5th pick.
Lots to talk about here. You make good points but I disagree with a bunch. We will talk more!
Just one last point: you’re using the word “rebuild” too broadly. So it stops having meaning.
Not all off-season activity is a “rebuild”.
In any pro sport “rebuild” means taking a step backward so you can take multiple steps forward. When the Warriors and Clippers turned 10 players over in 2 years with trades and veteran minimums, that’s not a rebuild. That’s just normal front office operations. Trading away your future draft picks isn’t a rebuild either.
Minnesota didn’t consider trading for DLo, Gobert, and Mike Conley a “rebuild”.
If I could, I’d give you 10 upvotes for that comment :) I love how you compartmentalized what I said, then selected one part of it to make an excellent point.
I agree with it and won’t argue :)
@Peter_Cantrope
Compliments from you mean a lot to me.
I would like to talk about the Wizards but I know you love them and this is going to be a long road.
Are you game?
Sure, I’d like to listen what you have to say about the team.
The Wiz fan base is rather optimistic about the future. I’m not so much, lol.
Cool. I’ll give more observations soon on their strategy. Lots to say.
Their biggest rebuild problem so far is bad luck. Their picks haven’t worked out. And last year’s draft was weak so they didn’t get much at #2. So they now have least valuable talent assets in league. Even lower than Utah.
Kudos to them on Cam Whitmore though. I think he’s their best player by next year.
Spurs —-
Vasell, Sochan, Harper, three future #1 picks ……
Thunder ———
Chet, Dort, Sorber, Joe, plus two future #1 picks …
That should do it. No-brainer for both sides.
@Giants74 wrong on all counts. Mostly you don’t understand OKC cap situation. They slayed the CBA for the next 6 years.
OKC can’t afford BOTH Giannis and SGA and also have a good bench. Holmgren and JWilliams are on rookie extension deals. Those deals fit under second apron along with SGA and also leave room for a bench
I can tell you haven’t been paying attention to OKC cap situation. They are completely set.
If anything, OKC are a lock to lose Hartenstein after this year, maybe even during this season at the deadline.
@easymoney You need to take a second look there Sparky. Holmgren’s and William’s deals haven’t kicked in yet. They also have 7 pending RFAs. They are going to have to make moves sooner or later. They can’t keep all of them.
@giants74 All of that is wrong. Nobody agrees with you. It’s been biggest NBA story of the summer since OKC won and signed Chet and JWilliams. Try Google
“the CBA probably won’t do much to deter the Thunder through the 2028-29 season.”
link to cbssports.com
One or all of Hartenstein, Dort and Kenrich are gone after this season, but that’s it, their core is staying for a while unless they decide to make a play for Giannis.
@easy You are still having trouble. What team has the most to give to a rebuilding team, the Thunder.
2028 is not 6 years from now. It is 3 years from now.
And the article does say they will have to move players to stay under the 2nd apron.
Can’t team stay in second apron with teams they believe in. Not like they need to add players. Can’t you do it for like 2 yrs with a top 4 team.
@Giants74 Obviously, it was too much to expect you could understand the article.
Keep on pushing your Giannis-to-OKC story. More genius.
everyone predicting Giannis moves like he’s a friend is pointless
If you put a package together it’s basically whatever you can get for KAT or other guys. They emptied the war chest already.
Bucks just have to try and stay competitive and get lucky in the playoffs – everyone else gets injured or falls apart, and you get a favorable west matchup.
Thing is, yall told me that I, me, <— this poster, made this up. You were wrong. This is a real rumor that has been in play ever since the Bucks FO started putting together the worst possible team around Giannis.
I've never seen anything like it, its openly disrespectful how bad this roster around Giannis is constructed. If everyone can come to this conclusion, he obviously can too.
Look at how long that Warriors roster is – they have every type of player the Bucks would want and could easily outbid a gaggle of teams for Giannis. My prediction on this is still very valid whether yall like it or not.
Davey J stop it. The warriors aren’t even in the top 5 teams for “which team can put together the best package for Giannis”.
The price for Giannis is way too high for W’s right now.
Here is how the Giannis to W’s trade CAN happen:. Milwaukee waits until Giannis asks for a trade this summer. When Giannis gives his short list his trade value goes down immediately. That’s just the way it works.
@EasyMoneySniper ooooh wait, did everything think I was trying to say Giannis trade in the preseason? I am fairly sure I stated over and over I meant sometime in 2026, not immediately.
Giannis will be on the Bucks to start this year, they will be mid because that roster is terrible and will not win a single minute he is off the court. Then he will ask out in January, and the Warriors have a way better offer than the Knicks possibly can put together. 6 firsts and Kuminga + Butler either going to MIL or somewhere else and the Bucks get another high paid player from another team. That’s likely how this will go down.
Warriors have 6 firsts and Jimmy, Kuminga, Moody, Podziemski, Post…these are total scrubs now?
The Spurs and OKC can put together a better package, but who knows what their FOs think of Giannis at this point in time. I don’t think any other team can put a better package than Jimmy, Kuminga, Moody, Podz whoever. GSW has every type of player a contending team would want, the Bucks would still be contending after this deal, it will absolutely improve their roster. Especially if its a multi-team trade, which blows your criticisms out of the water.
Giannis to GSW does not have to be a 1-1 GSW-MIL only trade. Please do not forget this when replying!
I never said they were scrubs. I just think other teams can out compete that offer. Jimmy isn’t an asset at his age unless your whole team is old. He’s perfect for the warriors tho and I hope they do well but again. Other teams can put together better offers.
Won’t matter tho cuz like others have said he will ask to go somewhere specific anyway and that will be that.
When Steph went down and the Warriors said “Who is gunna score 30+ for us now?” and Jimmy said “not me, I’m pass-first” when he absolutely could go get 30+ if he wanted to – that scared me and I want no part of him, I pray GSW moves on from him asap tbh
Yeah I have no idea why he does that. Seen him do it in Miami too when they needed him to be Himmy and score and he was way too passive.
It’s kinda like he doesn’t believe they can win so he quits idk.
It’s weird because he comes off as that hard nosed never quit fight to the death hooper but he ain’t that way.
None of what Charania said is true, nor has it ever been. This &$@!! clown! JHFC! No one has a more apt name in all of sports “journalism”.
To be fair, Woj was before Shams, and after Woj left the industry, likely out of disgust for the affront-to-sportwriting “job” he created and made him richer than he ever deserved, then Shams came along and “inherited” that new “role” no one asked for of “king grifter” in the sports media world. That’s the exact timeline, I believe.