The Cavaliers will send De’Andre Hunter to the Kings in exchange for Keon Ellis and Dennis Schröder, sources tell Shams Charania of ESPN (Twitter link). The three-team trade also includes the Bulls, who will pick up Dario Saric from Sacramento and will receive two second-round picks as well.
The trade will save Cleveland nearly $50MM in salary and luxury tax this season, according to Bobby Marks of ESPN (Twitter link).
The Cavs unload Hunter’s $23.3MM contract while taking back Schröder at $14.1MM and Ellis at $2.3MM. The move takes the Cavs from $22MM to just $13.9MM above the second apron and brings their total payroll down to $221.7MM, per cap expert Yossi Gozlan (Twitter link).
The Cavaliers were among many reported suitors for Ellis, an accomplished defensive guard who is set for free agency this summer. He will become eligible for an extension worth up to $52MM over three years on February 9, and Cleveland will acquire his Bird rights in the deal.
Ellis fell out of the Kings’ rotation early in the season, which prompted trade speculation, but he still appeared in 43 games, averaging 5.6 points and 1.1 steals in 17.6 minutes per night with .397/.368/.625 shooting numbers.
Schröder, 32, will be joining his 11th NBA team. He was one of Sacramento’s major offseason additions, agreeing to a three-year, $44.4MM contract as part of a sign-and-trade deal with Detroit. However, he shot poorly from the field and eventually lost his starting job to Russell Westbrook. Schröder has two more years left on his contract at $14.8MM and $15.5MM with a $4.3MM guarantee on the final season. He’s also a strong defensive guard and had a positive impact on the Pistons after they traded for him at last year’s deadline.
Gozlan points out (via Twitter) that the Cavs have an opportunity to get below the second apron by unloading Lonzo Ball‘s $10MM contract and a couple of minimum salaries. He notes that they have three more tradable second-round picks to use for further moves before the deadline.
The Cavaliers added Hunter in a deal last February in hopes that he would become a dependable small forward to team with their four established starters. However, he has been more effective off the bench since coming to Cleveland and wound up being an expensive backup with the emergence of Jaylon Tyson. He has one more year left on his contract at $24.9MM and will get a chance to revive his career in Sacramento.
In a full story, Charania notes that trading two players for one will give the Kings roster flexibility to convert two-way big man Dylan Cardwell to a standard contract.
Saric, who has an expiring $5.4MM deal, will be absorbed into a $6.2MM trade exception Chicago has from last year’s Zach LaVine deal, according to Marks (Twitter link). The Bulls don’t have a roster opening, so they’re waiving Jevon Carter in order for the trade to be completed, according to Joe Cowley of The Chicago Sun-Times (Twitter link). The 30-year-old guard has a $6.8MM expiring contract and will become a free agent once he passes through waivers.
Chicago’s draft compensation for helping to facilitate the deal will be a 2027 second-rounder from the Cavs that originally belonged to Denver and a 2029 second-rounder from the Kings that includes stipulations, reports Brett Siegel of ClutchPoints. It will be the least favorable of picks among Detroit, Milwaukee and New York, according to Charania.
League sources tell Siegel that the Cavaliers were reluctant to take on Schröder’s contract during trade negotiations, but the Kings threatened to move onto other offers if they couldn’t unload the veteran guard. Ellis was at the top of the Cavs’ wish list heading into the deadline, Siegel adds, so they decided to accept Sacramento’s terms.
Sacramento was hoping to land a first-round pick for exchange for Ellis, but several teams that had expressed interest recently turned away, including the Pacers, Celtics and Timberwolves, sources close to the Kings tell Sam Amick of The Athletic.
According to Amick, Indiana was concerned about finding enough playing time for Ellis while Bennedict Mathurin is still on the roster. Even though Mathurin may be traded by Thursday’s deadline, the Pacers believed it was too much of a risk to part with a first-rounder.
The Wolves had been willing to include two second-round picks as part of their offer, Amick adds, but their priorities changed over the past week when it began to appear that Giannis Antetokounmpo would be available.
One man’s trash…
Yes ….. but they just posted Cavs will save 50 mill in tax 💰 …… now we comprehend
I lived for days like this. WE MADE A DEAL!!!!
Bulls are so sorry that I genuinely got happy about acquiring Dario mf Saric due to their ignorance of the PF position. Dear lord
They may not necessarily keep Saric given that they received sweetener to take him.
Saric won’t play a second for the Bulls. He’ll either be moved again or if not, bought out for sure
Those two picks are high 2nd rd picks. Nice player here …..
link to nba.com
Denver 2027 (via Cleveland) and a 2029 via Sacramento that’s the least favorable of 3. Both could end up in the 50s.
Oh ok …. Im thinking aKings picks. Got it thanks
The big part of the deal is the Bulls used the trade exemption( Or some of it anyway) To pay for Saric and cut Carter who really wasn’t playing anyway. So depending on how all that shakes out Tax wise the Bull probably saved some money to help them make another deal? I don’t pretend to even comprehend how the NBA trade exemptions work but if the Sixers can actually almost get under the Tax by having a player get suspended for drugs it seems there has to be some benefit that goes with it. The NBA, Where dreams live on. Even ridiculous ones. Just betting Reinsdorf saved money somehow.
Yeah he needs to lol. Is Saric done or is there still hope. Those picks are better to have than not have. Can always use them to move up. Knicks got Hukporti with last pick in draft.
Saric is probably washed but can he do what Smith does? Get a few rebounds and make 3’s? IDK he used to be able to. He’s at least 5 fouls and at 6-10 can at least get in he way on defense which is an improvement over Collins( Crutches) and Okoro now being asked to guard 4’s. Look for Okoro to get injured now the way Caruso used to by guarding guys he has no business guarding. These people really are clueless. Their team building sucks. At least they got somebody( Even if it’s wrong).
Bulls with right moves can be on right track. With a very young team. Like Thunder and Spurs. Been saying that is their model. Probably one of reasons they took Esenngue. Bulls get that Blazer pick this yr. It will be major lol. With Two picks in top 20 or lottery picks. Plus cap space. This team can look a lot different next yr.
2 things wrong with that. First Portland would have to make the Playoffs and I don’t see that happening. Two the Bulls would have to have the ability to draft the right people and they’re stupid. But I like the sentiment, Even if it’s unfounded.
Be positive. Can’t be bad moves forever.
That Blazer pick might not convey this yr. But it should next yr.
I like J Green a lot. Imo Coby is a good fit with Booker. I would look into getting him. Coby and expiring contract and a pick should do it. Green best is yet to come imo. I think he would be psyched to play in Chicago.
At least they got another big. Even a bad one and 2 2nd round picks, Nice. Can’t believe the Bulls beat the Heat with no Vuj, White, Giddey, Smith, Collins and Buzelis having like 10 Turnovers alone. That was something.
Man the kings are the bulls best friend. Once again they give Chicago something for nothing.
Let the trading season begin!!!
Ellis is a good pickup by the cavs but taking on Schroder might not be worth it
Why are the kings acquiring hunter when they already have lavine and derozan
He can play the PF/4 whereas neither of the others mentioned don’t.
He isn’t a real pf though and when Keegan is back, Hunter goes to bench. I guess he will be 6th man but move to starter when Derozan moves.
He really can’t. He’s 6’7 on a good day and 220lbs. He’s a true wing just like Murray.
This is a square hole, round peg situation.
I don’t hate it because he’s a good basketball player. It just doesn’t really fit a need considering the issues on the team are size related.
All teams today loading up on wings lol.
I said the same thing about Kuminga going to Sac to play the 4. funny ……
Schroeder is a perfect bench spark. I think it’s the role he is meant to play. He’s just not quite good enough for the starting pg anymore. Think about his role when he was on the Thunder backing up CP3. He was great.
Garland has a bad toe and multiple injuries. That is why they got Dennis.
That works too. Two players for depth is a good move.
Flip him for Kuminga.
“when they already have lavine and derozan”
you answered your own question – they soon will not have either one of those two
Next year maybe but no one taking Lavine at 40mill. Derozan needed to be attached to Ellis. Now he is hard to move unless picks go with him.
Those 2 contracts are horrible and arent expiring and I don’t think they can be moved unless the kings attach valuable picks in something like a Ja Morant deal
They aren’t keeping either. I think DeM will be moved by TD. Zach and Monk next yr sometime. They can build with Hunter. Top 5 pick this draft is a major player lol.
I expect one or both of Derozan or Lavine to be traded.
Because that’s what the Kings do! Right up there w my Bulls – battling for most incompetent franchises constantly stuck in purgatory.
Taking on Shroder is certainly worth it when it gets you out of almost 75% of the 50M owed to a teener bench player for the rest of this season and next
Hunter is a younger version of Harrison Barnes, who they never should have let go.
When someone says “NBA trades are so weird,” this is the example they should cite as evidence.
Nope, Luka for AD goes there
That wasn’t weird
That was orchestrated so LA stay relevant as LeBron ages and exits
Yeah Dallas just happened to take a crap deal for Doncic and just happened to win the lottery and get Flagg
Flagg with 34 pts tonight after putting up 49 Points Thursday. NBA wanted Luka in LA
“That was orchestrated so LA stay relevant as LeBron ages”
You don’t think that statement is weird???
Only cause it should say. Cause LeBron is leaving.
I believe they do step in at times. Not every draft. This is big business. They helped two franchises and Luka contract lower.
Cause all the owners earn by the league earning. Keeping their markee franchises on top when they can. Plus who can afford to pay Luka. And who could trade for him. Why jeep it a secret. And 1.4% chance of winning. If they need to they will. Its big business for all 30 teams. They are also trying to move into Euro market. Don’t be so naive.
Everyone inew zion his weight. Always a gamble. Ha was tge pick
Ja Morant
Pelicans were gifted the pick cause they had an Anthony Davis trade in the works
What franchise gets the number 1 overall pick, drafted a generational talent in Zion Williamson first overall who was heralded as the second coming of LeBron James by John Calipari I think, and then trades their premier PF/C Anthony Davis a former 1st overall pick himself and MVP caliber player 2 weeks later on July 6th without even trying Zion and Davis together?
A team that was promised something and had to pay up.
Pelicans had a 6% chance of winning lottery.
Even winning the lottery doesn’t guarantee success. You still have to be smart enough to build a team.
The draft is best way to find real talent. Even in 2nd rd.
It’s hilarious that people LITERALLY watched David Stern veto a Chris Paul trade from Hornets to Lakers, a better deal, when the nba took over the Hornets franchise and sent Paul to the Clippers, lesser deal, because the NBA wanted the Clippers to become more relevant (focus on parity after a lockout and other owners jumped in and wanted it vetoed for that very reason, parity). That was 3 years after the nba slightly increased revenue sharing during the 08-09 season. Course they wanted the Clippers to become more relevant. It meant more money for revenue sharing.
And yet people sit here today in these message boards acting like “the nba would never interfere in team dynamics and do what it feels is the best interest for the nba as a whole” RIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTT
I wouldn’t call it interfering since they are looking out for whole L. Ots easier to do in NBA when you only have 5 starters. You still have to build a team. There are no guarantees ……
That Paul trade was ridiculous. They should have stopped it.
Meddle is probably a better word than interfere you’re right
Either way yes the nba looks out for what’s best for the nba and will do things to protect the interest of the nba which is mainly money driven
All businesses are money driven. Sports has other engines that drive it too. Thats the beauty of it. MJ drove the L for yrs to new territories. Only sports is about competition. So now teams are back to driving it. And small market teams are driving the L now. Which works for the whole L. As long as big market teams are relevant. You get the viewership you need.
They never do lol. To be fair, compared to most conspiracy theories it has some surface level plausibility, provided you don’t look too closely (such as NOT asking yourself why all of the other owners would accept this, how in a league full of leaks something like this wouldn’t make its way out, etc).
But that’s the thing with conspiracy theories. Luck and coincidence can no longer exist. And so long as one instance fits the bill, it works (as in ignore, for instance, the Pelicans being gifted with Zion despite terrible lottery odds, because clearly the league knew he was a bum and wanted him to end up there and destroy the franchise /s)
“Why would other owners accept this”
Same reason mlb owners accept the dodgers deferring billions of dollars- revenue sharing
If you think owners main concerns are “winning” you’ve got a lot to learn
“How in a league full of leaks”
Again. Same reason NFL was able to cover up its knowledge about CTE where internal documents show disability payments for brain injuries as early as the early 1990s. NFL denied the findings of the doctor from the 2000-2010s before actually admitting it exists in 2016, despite a 2013 settlement for around 750 mill but the NFL denied any guilt or recognition football causes the injuries.
“Gifted Zion”
Yeah kind of weird how June 20th pelicans drafted Zion Williamson and then on July 6th traded Anthony Davis to the Lakers……so yeah why would the pelicans trade their premier player in Davis to the Lakers weeks after drafting a generational talent in Zion? Please do explain the logic behind that move oh wise one
MLB owners accept it because that’s what they agreed to during the previous CBA, which is set to expire at the end of the year and those types of shenanigans are expected to be a significant point of contention. I would not call that “accepting” things as-is.
The NFL denying that stuff is on a completely different level, as it helped all teams equally while screwing over the players. That’s hardly even a conspiracy, just your run-of-the-mill denial/lobbying/lying by big business. I’m not saying shady stuff does not happen in every league including the NBA, but this particular conspiracy does not pass the smell test. Is there a non-zero chance it’s true? Sure, why not. But the odds are small enough that it’s not worth taking seriously right now unless something changes.
The Pelicans traded AD because—if you actually paid attention to the league back then you would know this—he wanted out (and his eventual money), going so far as to basically tank on the court to force their hand. The Lakers speculation started well before they got the #1 pick and it was an open secret that AD wanted to go there. Moreover, if the NBA cares about markets so much, why would they even want generational Zion going to the Pelicans in the first place? Why not just put a gun to their head and force them to trade AD without getting anything in return? You’re bringing in too much shoehorned logic here.
Plus, why would the NBA stop there? Why not force Presti to make a bunch of bad trades to prevent the small market Thunder from becoming a potential dynasty while bribing him and the rest of the front office? Why allow generational Luka to end up in a place like Dallas in the first place? This is why conspiracy theories almost always fall apart: when you expand the sample size to include more datapoints the pattern disappears.
Yes, the NBA would prefer the big markets win. We all know that. And I’m sure they do some things to help give them a bit of a boost, like perhaps questionable reffing during games. But this one is a bridge too far.
Lock out won’t happen cause both sides lose money
There’s not gonna be a salary cap or floor as much as fans want it the players won’t allow it and the owners don’t have leverage
Last time a lock out happened in 94 it almost killed the sport. If it wasn’t for steroids McGwire and Sosa home run race the sport would have been relegated to an after thought, oh look something the league also bid for years and looked the other way with. Steroids
“ The NFL denying that stuff is on a completely different level, as it helped all teams equally while screwing over the players.”
“The nba being secretive about the Luka Doncic trade is on a completely different level, as it helped increase teams equity and revenue significantly while screwing over players chances at titles”
Hey look at you figuring things out, remember when I said owners main concern isn’t winning?
“ The Pelicans traded AD because—if you actually paid attention to the league back then you would know this—he wanted out (and his eventual money), going so far as to basically tank on the court to force their hand.“
If you paid attention Davis wanted out cause they sucked. He wanted to win. Again didn’t even give it a shot with the second coming of LeBron James to see if they could win together. Kind of weird he wouldn’t even give it a shot and weird the Pelican didn’t try to convince him to give it a shot and were just like “yup ok we can trade your your majesty”
Yeah that’s totally normal operating procedure by teams you’re right, if you’re blind and deaf
“ Plus, why would the NBA stop there? Why not force Presti to make a bunch of bad trades to prevent the small market Thunder from becoming a potential dynasty”
Thunder were horrendous for years under Presti lmao. If you paid attention so many people were calling for his job back during 05-08 and 20-22
Losing KD, Harden trade to Rockets was abysmal, losing Westbrook, losing George
Thunder literally built themselves thru the draft trading all star Paul George to big market LA
clippers (weird destination right)
And hit on SGA, Dort (undrafted) Jaylin Williams (#12 overall), Holgrem #2 overall
Thunder hitting on draft picks is why they are where they are and why other teams are where they are.
Shea! Couldn’t have said it better myself. Take your aluminum foil hats off! You all are crazy.
Thanks!
Now, excuse me while I call up Silver to renegotiate my bribe. It’s hard work stumping for this corrupt league. Wait till you see where the #1 pick ends up this year!
You speak out of both sides of your mouth. Either all leagues help or not. Fact they let the Yankees buy pennats since before Ruth. Or looking the other way thru the steroid error. So please man
This is big business especially NOW. Whenever big business is involved. There is always a shady part to it. Cause that’s who we are. Human nature.
Like I said. In NBA you still have to build a team. One player can make a big impact. Yet it can also ruin you. Ja, Zion, AD, Embiid, PG, Harden, Kawhi, KP, Zach …….. the Warriors reminded us all how its done. You draft three HOFers who mix great. And then you have cap space to sign a FA HOFer …..
So in NBA the draft can work for you if you use it right……… like Thunder and Spurs have …… and The Process hasn’t ….
“Big corporation seeks to protect its profits revenue and increase wealth”
Lmao that’s not a tin foil hat conspiracy theory that’s how every big corporation operates including mlb nba nfl nhl
You’re telling me the league orchestrated a massive conspiracy to get Doncic to the Lakers AFTER they already signed a media rights deal that will last longer than Luka’s career.
Psssssst commercial time slots are up for bid during big games. Bigger the game bigger the cost to run commercials during the time slot.
The league doesn’t get ad money from broadcasters. The money the NBA gets from broadcasters is set in stone for more than the next decade.
There’s literally no financial benefit to the league so explain to me why they would risk a lawsuit from 28 other billionaires.
Do I think it’s weird the nba is trying to keep one of its markets relevant for financial reasons? Nope not at all.
And all of those yokel owners in SLC OKC Memphis etc. are just “okey dokey! we’ll just eat s—- and say thanks!!!”
Sure cuz that’s how all them oligarchs roll.
Life is changing. With internet and social media. It’s not just about the big cities now. Talent is truly taking over now. Real talent. As it should be. Cause they are the show.
I don’t know any billionaires. But I find it hard to believe it’s possible to buy off 28 or 29 billionaires and billionaire groups, who have chosen to invest billions into a fiercely competitive, almost entirely emotional investment, with mere millions of dollars.
Their investments in teams are in the billions. Plus the branding of their products gets them into and involved in other power plays. In their cities. Competition is in the arenas and stadiums. Outside of that it’s league business. And that is for all owners.
Maybe now all the haters on here. Can stop crying about players salaries. The market pays them that. And teams have it to spend. You should be competent enough to know who you are signing.
What has Utah or Memphis done lmao ever
Same with Sacramento, New Jersey, Phoenix, Magic Clippers Hornets
1/3 of the league doesn’t even have a championship
5 MLB teams don’t
9 long term teams in the NFL don’t, 12 if you include Panthers Jaguars Texans that came into existence later than other teams.
But…the Lakers can just sign free agents and draft good players?
It IS weird to have the league meddle in trades and openly say “We want the Lakers to not suck” but the Lakers did suck from 2013 til 2019. So why didn’t they put them on then? Why have 6 straight years of bottom feeding? By your logic the front office would have helped them during that period.
It is weird the league meddles in trades
It was weird when Stern meddled in the Paul trade to Lakers
It’s weird how Pelicans draft Zion then trade Davis 2 weeks later after the draft (not prior)
It’s weird how Dallas trades Doncic for a pretty underwhelming trade that many teams could have beat and then gets the number 1 overall pick.
And it’s not like this is the first time teams were unaware a guy was available. Kings trading Haliburton to the Pacers caught many GMs off guard cause they thought he wasn’t available in trade talks, but yeah it’s totally impossible to keep secrets apparently lmao despite numerous examples that exist if you look hard enough through the years
Yeah but it’s still about building teams thru talent. The NBA has always been about competition. Even all those questionable moves are about competition. Teams haven’t bought titles like Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers. Sports is big business. Even bigger now with legal gambling. But it will always be about the competition. No matter how much help they get.
Who helped the Patriots get Brady ….. St Jude
I agree the Luka one was weird but I think of that as an outlier. We rarely see such one-sided trades or superstars moving without a boatload of picks. This trade sees a team in the running for #1 acquiring a redundant (albeit more talented) player for a sought out player, plus more, as well as a team acquiring a player and picks despite giving up nothing. It’s just odd all-around.
Trae Young is a 4x All-Star who was traded at age 27 for no draft picks. That is the trend. People are going to be outraged with how “little” the Bucks get back for Giannis. But that’s just the market.
Is it? I can think of a few counterexamples. In the recent years, Bridges returned 5 FRPs, a pick swap, and a 2nd. Gobert returned players, 4 FRPs, and a pick swap. Bane returned players, 4 FRPs and a pick swap. KD returned the #10 pick and a bunch of 2nds in addition to a couple of players, which was in line with his value probably. I wouldn’t say two trades (one of which happened prior to the Bane trade) means a new precedent has been set. The Young trade was a little light, I agree, but given his injury history and extremely negative defensive value, it wasn’t shocking to me that he didn’t return a bunch of FRPs or anything.
If Giannis returns less than quality players and 3 FRPs then I will agree the market has shifted.
The difference with Giannis is his game is very physical and he may or may not be starting to become quite injury prone. It’s the one factor combined with his age that could put a cap on his cost, though it will be significant either way simply due to market scarcity.
@Shea- I agree, I think his health could be a major factor and it’s why I’m not convinced he’ll return 5 FRPs *plus* a plethora of building blocks (although I’m not discounting it). I still expect him to command a much more significant return than Trae or KD, though, so I lean towards him returning at least 3 FRPs and a couple valuable building blocks. But time will tell!
Bridges, Gobert and Bane are who broke this market though, you are reaching back further in time and saying that’s the current market, but those 3 getting too many picks back ruined the market for picks. I’m talking here and now, not years ago. Trae bought back zero FRPs.
Also back during a time without the 2nd apron restrictions. Now the risk is much greater if you end up tying a lot of your money to someone who is either injured a lot or simply not worth the money (like Towns).
Bane was traded 6 months ago, I’d hardly call that further back in time. One trade for a broken down, one dimensional player hardly confirms a reset of how players are viewed on the trade market.
Two questions:
1) How many orgs do you think discussed Trae and came to the conclusion that he improves them significantly but he wasn’t worth offering even a single FRP for? I’m guessing zero.
2) How many FRPs do you think Giannis moves for? Surely you don’t think he’s going for as light of a package as Trae.
Unless the Nuggets and Joker split, Giannis is likely literally the last guy for a long time who will bring in 3+ FRP. The way the teams are handcuffed by rules these days has put draft picks at a premium.
Every day on instagram I get recommended the latest in a string of 7 footers, who have like, actual handles and can play point. 7’5″ 17 year olds on this earth, guys who cant jump 6 inches without smashing their nose on the rim. Just mindblowing athletes with massive size. Like, the ONLY team who would fly in the face of several loaded future drafts, is the #1 highest valued franchise in win-now mode looking for more rings for its #1 player. Pairing Giannis (or Joker) with Curry might be the only move that makes sense in a near future sense, almost all other teams are not going to be looked down upon for keeping draft picks.
If Curry is even remotely healthy, as we saw last year, GSW is a contender. It honestly doesn’t matter what superstar is there, if its Jimmy or Giannis, GSW are going deep in the playoffs.
Oddly enough, Giannis and Steph (and then also ostensibly Jimmy next season) are a duo that would be so difficult to beat, the Warriors don’t even need THAT much depth. They still pushed the Raptors in the Finals with Quinn Cook and Alfonzo McKinnie getting major playing time. Horford, Melton, Post, Moody, Seth Curry, Richard, TJD and Gui Santos are all way better than those two. And then GSW might be able to get more players too. They might get an offer they can’t refuse for Jimmy. Lebron for Jimmy works too. Jimmy is a better fit on the Lakers, feeding Luka. Lakers season is predictably, going down in flames, this gets Curry/Bron/Giannis together for a memorable half season, then GSW can let Lebron go and keep that cap space in a sign and trade.
I agree with the vast majority of what you said. I think GS would be one of Giannis’ best landing spots, I think we’ll see fewer picks traded (which is probably a good thing), and I think we’ll see Giannis go for 3+ FRPs. I also think GS will do something big even if it doesn’t quite work out how you laid it out.
One caveat regarding fewer FRPs being dealt is that there will always be guys who can and will be traded for hauls, but I think we’re sure to see less of guys like Bane and Bridges getting that massive of returns.
Al is right about one thing. First you have to build a team. Taking the best player available in a basketball draft is just stupid. The Bulls have needed a C and a PF for YEARS! YEARS! Instead of taking Queen last year which was the OBVIOUS pick they took a guy who won’t even play for 2 or 3 years. They are pathetic. Even when they trade for people( Okoro) They screw it up. Look there are 5 positions on a basketball team. The Bulls continuously bypass 2 of them. You need to match up with other teams. At least defense wise, Something this coaching staff and FO will never understand. They keep trying to reinvent the wheel. Stop for Gods sake!
Giannis and Trae are not the same lol. Trae is a 1Way player. Who also has size as an issue. Giannis is a generational player. Who plays both ways. He is worth the max money. Hawks didn’t want to pay Trae. Just like Mavs didn’t want to pay Luka ……
Why is it nobody talks about Luka losing weight for LA and not Dallas. Is it for his movie roles ????
Or he just never cared enough in Dallas.
Why do the same guys get traded every year?
NBA front offices are run by clueless people who are in over their heads.
or more likely, you don’t know much about being a GM. Some guys are journeyman types that have one or two skills that are in demands by different teams at different times and there’s a finite amount of inventory to choose from
Nah Davey is right
Not just the NBA, or even sports in general. It applies to most businesses because people are people everywhere and the wrong sort of people tend to rise to the top.
It’s also the reason why the good front offices tend to come out ahead time and time again. Must be like shooting fish in a barrel.
The unfortunate thing is, like in the NFL, some of these people would be/are good in very specific and narrow roles but they have zero business being in real leadership positions with too much freedom.
I think if you win titles, you should have more job protection than anyone who has not (D Morey). I think if you are in this job for 10 years and you can’t win a title, then it’s time to move along and let someone else have a turn. Should be the law for pro sports coaches. Too many lifetime losers just wasting everyone’s time.
That’s why Kerr is still around lol ….
Because players don’t get traded today. Contracts get traded.
More profitable the league becomes more expensive purchasing a team becomes
Steve Balmer bought the clippers for 2 billion dollars back in 2014
Sterling bought the clippers for 12.5 mill back in 1984 ish
That’s a 16,000% increase in 20 years
10 years after balmer purchased the clippers their current valuation is 7.5 billion
Nearly a 400% increase in 10 years
“Few million bucks” yeah there’s a lot more to it than just that .
might as well bring back Vlade. Scott Perry is the worst gm in the NBA.
That’s an understatement.
– Knicks fans
Perry is a front runner and backstabber. Don’t get how he keeps getting jobs
Joe Dumars is still employed.
It’s just awful trade after awful from the kings. I’d rather watch the mitch Richmond kings than this iteration. At least they wanted to win
Did the Webber iteration bore you?
Obviously I’d wish for them to go back being title favorites/contenders, I’m just saying they’re listless with no direction currently. At least then we had a perennial all star
Kangs doing kangs things
Weird move. I guess Hunter could get more run but they are a team of wings and guards. Sabonis is the only big.
Mmmmm, have you looked at who starts? Saying they only have one big when another big has been starting over Sabonis is weird.
Raynaud is the other big that is a rookie but neither play together. The other big is Caldwell but he is a league level talent they probably send down. Precious is 6’8 at best so not really much of a big.
It’s official. The Hawks fleeced the Cavs when they traded DeAndre Hunter. Cavs get some solid players though. No picks
26 games of Caris Lavert does not constitute a “fleecing”. You are overrating that term in the context of that nothingburger of a trade.
The Hawks got 2 swaps and some SRPs. Cavs fans were saying after the trade the Hawks got fleeced. The Hawls got the flexibility to get NAW and Porzingis from this trade
KP ???? You know what it stands for ……
“Knot Playing “ …….. now pay me.
oooh second rounders! well my bad, lets talk more about this FLEECING!
smh
They have pick swap rights…with a team that’s better than them. That’s all the Hawks have from that trade.
LeVert is in Detroit, Niang is in Utah. Unless a second rounder hits…they both really got nothing in this trade
Exactly.
I think the way the swap works right now is Spurs get Hawks’, then as a result of the previous trade, Hawks get Cavs’ and Cavs get Spurs. Hawks turn a big L into a smaller L but Spurs laugh all the way to the podium.
Only the Kings could take a $2 mil bench guy and turn him into a $24 mil bench guy + late 2nd round picks.
The fact that the Bulls are involved should have been the 1st red flag btw.
Kings didn’t even get the 2nds. Those went to Chicago. 🤣🤣🤣
Saric at one point was becoming a nice player. A big 3. Then he got hurt. And it just never got better for him. Still only 31 yrs old. Two Kings 2nd round picks is a good haul. They will be top of round.
I like Hunter, I guess he’s just not a fit. Or Ball is finished. Like I always thought. Schroder is a good addition. Ellis is a perimeter defender they also need. I see it as good for everyone. Hunter now has a chance to flourish again. I see DeM as their next move.
It isn’t about Ball being finished, it is his 1st real season back. He should not be expected to play starter minutes. Porter is young so they won’t trust him to do much in playoffs.
Ball played last yr after being out two yrs. Nobody is expecting him to start ever again. Clearly something is up if Cavs went and got a PG. or even insurance for Garland. Ball hasn’t really stepped up this yr. He is playing 20 mins.
Lonzo isn’t playing 20 mins, he is collecting DNP-CDs.
He is washed and will be dumped to get them the rest of the way out of the second apron.
Schroder will be a good add for Cleveland, just as he was for DET last season. They obviously need Garland insurance.
Hello Lavar aka AncientOne
“Sure, so much for a first.”
-kangz fans
Schröder trade – required part of every NBA trade deadline.
How can a team say I hate you more than sending you the Sacramento Kings. Wow
Imagine longing for the Maloof Bros
GM Vivek. The only tool is a hammer.
Now hunter to gsw for kuminga?
Curry/Moody/Hunter/Giannis/Horford
bench: Melton/Richard/Post/Spencer/Santos/Se.Curry
= ring season
I appreciate warrior fans but y’all aren’t getting Giannis
Y’all are daydreaming!
lmao
Trying to Argue and being combative like a child doesn’t change reality.
It might get your mom to take you to the drive through for French fries though lol
America.
“Y’all are daydreaming!”
“Trying to Argue and being combative like a child doesn’t change reality.”
Same guy.
Yup nothing but a stupid ego
Hold your L.
It’s like talking to a teenager trying to last word the world.
This is sad and reality says half the league can beat that stupid weak offer lol
Name those offers then. Such lazy arguing, either show up or sit down.
“Y’all are daydreaming!”
/this is literally being reported my dozens upon dozens of media outlets worldwide
No. I am not “daydreaming”. This is actually happening. The Warriors front office is literally talking with the Bucks front office about this. Right now. Not daydreaming.
The warriors are leverage dumb dumb
Only dumb dumb here is you lil bro. Go back to the kids table, the adults are talking.
Child.
Kuminga isn’t getting you Giannis
Last word.
Lmao
That does seem somewhat plausible and probably would be as good as you could expect from the Warriors side if Kuminga wouldn’t be used as a bigger salary matching piece.
Whatever it is, they better have something good lined up with Hunter, otherwise this looks as bad as everyone thinks it looks currently.
I do think Hunter would be like, the Warriors 5th best option for that floor spacing SF that GSW succeed with so often. Wiggins worse than him, glad that one was diffused quickly. Wiggins won a title but then…big yikes. Hunter is not bad, but not as good as Murphy III.
Yeah, just gotta hope a change of scenery does the trick. At least there’s some upside here relative to his past performance, which is exactly what the Warriors need right now.
Cp43 absolutely not.
#1, where is the improvement and efficiency from Golden State’s perspective by exchanging the two players?
#2, Hunter has another guaranteed $24 million NEXT year. That doesn’t fly for a guy Who’s game has fallen off a cliff.
The only way you trade for DeAndre Hunter is to get out from underperforming Dennis Schroder‘s contract.
Also got a head case off of the coach’s daily list of problems to tackle.
Also Kings must believe Hunter can return to being the sixth man he was in Atlanta, and then be flipped a year from now when he will be a nice expiring.
I’m not sure what you make of this trade. Doesn’t seem like anyone got better.
Cavs saved $$$, and Ellis is a plus.
All three teams got better, for reasons that were clearly stated.
Sure bro.
Kings got a slightly better team adding a forward for 2 guards but are still an awful team and won’t win anything. Cavs got worse to save $ and might sell the stars in the offseason depending on the offers.
Wow, the Bulls finally made a move. And they somehow won a trade. Finally, my Bulls are doing SOMETHING right.
Dario is a PF and not a C!!!!
Cavs made a trade before the raptors…didn’t see that coming..
Trade is not officially completed yet?
I guess it makes sense to wait a bit to see if they can include the salary of Schroder, Ball and maybe others in another trade to reduce their salary further and maybe duck under the 2nd apron?
It will still be finalized eventually no matter who else is included or re routed to another team…
They needed to add another player so all teams moved something, it was a 2W player getting traded from the Bulls.
The other 29 teams much take so much comfort that the kings are in the league. Kings will always be there when you need out of a jam. Hunter trade doesn’t work out. The kings are there to help the Cavs unwind it without demanding anything of value in return. What a generous organization.
Plus the kings were willing to go INTO the luxury tax to do the trade. So selfless are the kings.
What the heck are the kings doing lol
Poor D’Andre
I do not feel sorry for hunter. He went to a winning team, had a chance to show he can be a winner and didn’t deliver. That’s on him.
Fair!
Makes sense he’s relegated to rebuilding his value.
I get it!
Ganna s*** on the kings some more. Once again they do a deal involving the bulls and once again the kings get the short end of the stick. Someone needs to go into Vivek’s phone and delete the phone number for the bulls.
I realize he was just a salary matching throw-in on this deal, but as a Sixers fan I will always have a positive view of Dario Saric. His first two seasons with us he was one of our most dependable players. His career basically got derailed by a combination of poor health/injury and some bad fits on teams, but he was a fan favorite in Philly for a couple of seasons.