Hawks big man John Collins appears increasingly unlikely to be traded before next Thursday’s deadline, Marc Stein writes in his latest Substack article. As Stein explains, Atlanta has been involved in plenty of trade discussions in recent weeks, but the team is playing well lately and seems inclined to push any Collins deal into the offseason.
ESPN’s Zach Lowe conveyed a similar sentiment earlier today. While he didn’t focus specifically on Collins or any other player, Lowe reported that the Hawks remain active in trade talks, but don’t appear to feel the same urgency to make a move that they did a couple weeks ago.
Here are a few more trade rumors from Stein’s latest roundup:
- The Spurs would require a first-round pick and a quality player in order to part with center Jakob Poeltl, according to Stein, who says the Bulls are among the teams to express interest in the big man. Stein previously identified Toronto as another club with interest in Poeltl.
- Stein was told on Friday morning that the odds of Pacers big man Myles Turner being moved before the February 10 deadline are a “coin flip.” Turner seemed more likely to be dealt before he sustained a stress fracture in his foot that cooled his market.
- Despite the Kings‘ insistence that they want to keep De’Aaron Fox and build around him and Tyrese Haliburton, Stein says numerous teams still believe Sacramento would be willing to part with Fox.
- Teams have inquired on center Robin Lopez, but it’s unclear how interested the Magic are in trading him, Stein writes.
Poeltl to Raps – FRP + Banton
Heck no. I’m keeping Banton, he has more value to the Raptors than to any other team. We have a development plan for him.
I’d possibly be comfortable with parting with a lottery protected FRP for Jakob, but that would be the most I’d pay from a Raptors POV. Jakob is good, not great.
Raps definitely shouldn’t give up a 1st for Poeltl. They’d be much better off riding with Precious/Boucher/Birch & possibly Tristan on the buyout market
Agreed
Poetl & filler for unprotected 1st Rd 2022, Birch & Flynn. Get rid of 2 mistakes for Raps.
From Spurs perspective, I’d rather deal with Chicago. What raptors will offer is meh, and spurs aren’t taking their garbage for a late 1st.
Chicago owns Portlands 1st this year which is more appealing.
PORT is tanking so there FRP isn’t moving, TOR probably has a mid to late teen FRP instead of CHI late FRP, depends what you value more.
Kings are very conservative
They are waiting for overpaid offers
I don’t think so. They seem more anxious to make a deal than most teams. Morey was being unreasonable in his demands, so they pulled out instead of wasting their time. That is the right move.
Kings need respectful Jerry West and Pat Riley kind of GMs
I am against Danny Ainge and Morey. Teams should not held trade chat with them
I agree, if I’m another GM I’m not wasting my breath and time talking to Daryl Morey.
Morey is the biggest stooge in basketball
SAC FO, like most today, is deal averse, and won’t act until there’s some outside (non-basketball) reason. The only one that might be applicable here is the GM’s job security. I’m guessing he’ll do the minimum he needs to in order to keep his job. I don’t know what that is, but it doesn’t appear to be very much.
ATL FO guy gets it. He made a deal in advance on the TD that, indirectly, addressed payroll in future years. Now, he can make a more directly payroll deal now or wait until the off season. I still think he’ll try to move Collins, but the TD market is a bad market to have to make a trade to address payroll. He obviously knows that, and won’t be led astray into it.
Only way JC gets traded is in a package for a future HOF type guy like Zion or Ben & even then it would be hard to imagine them actually letting him go. Payroll isn’t really a concern for the Hawks at all rn. We’ll have flexibility for years to come as far as not paying the repeater tax & generally having a healthy looking payroll with no bad contracts. If we can get a perennial all-star it’s obv worth it to pursue that but payroll isn’t guiding these decisions. Hawks are in win now mode. The Cam Reddish trade only happened bc Cam asked out
If these delusions help you, then by all means proceed with them. ATL will make another deal related to future payroll no later than this off season. A simple spreadsheet would demonstrate why.
Every trade that is made is related to future payroll just by definition
Getting all these #1 picks. Means at some point they will have to be paid. Cam, Collins, Hunter, Okongwu, Young.
Bringing in vets with good salaries. Only makes these decisions harder. Especially if you are not winning.
They overachieved last yr. So now all this is even more scrutinized. Gallo, Bogdanovic, Huerter, Capela. Salary is a real issue for them now. Well at least they have started winning.
@Sankara –
Your man love for the Hawk players knows no bounds. But it won’t change the math, or motivate a rational ownership to make a commitment to annually pay luxury tax for this group. Absent that, one of Huerter, BB, Hunter, OO, Collins, Capella will not be on the roster by the start of next season. The resulting projected payroll going forward will be less than it currently projects with assumed extensions with the RSC guys. Everything else is noise.
Man love? Couldn’t you just have said love?… 1st off we can easily keep all the guys you just named, plus pay our 2 1st rd picks from the upcoming draft, plus all 3 of our young guys (Jalen, Skylar, Sharife) & still be well under the luxury tax next season. 2nd the Hawks haven’t paid the luxury tax in years & this group is clearly worthy of that type of commitment from ownership as we all saw last night & throughout the past postseason
Add up what Trae, John, Clint, Dre, Bogi, Kev, Okongwu, Jalen, Sharife & Skylar will make next season, plus Gallo’s $5M buyout plus the salaries of a couple mid-late 1st rd picks then tell me why we need to worry about payroll
Next year the 6 guys I noted, plus TY and JJ (plus Gallo’s 5 mm) equal 130 mm. Cooper and Mays weren’t given 2 year deals, so they are not signed. Either way, you need 6-7 more guys on top of 130 mm. You’re well in the 140’s, even with all minimums. More importantly, each of the next two years you’ll see 8% increases on the home team deals, and have rookie extensions take effect for Hunter, then Okongwo (not to mention JJ the next one). Your GM won’t try to walk this high wire. He’ll get out in front of it and reset the thing with a move (one of the 6 I noted). Might not be Collins, but he’ll return the most of the 6 right now.
My #1 deal that I think should get done these next 6 days in all of the NBA is
Collins and Lou (expiring) 28 mill
for
Beverly and Prince (both expiring) 28 mill , 22nd first 23 swap 24 first
Atl clears the future payroll and nets the picks and gets quality expiring’s that even sorta fit this year, they can even work in knox for a min (or Bolmaro worst case for Minny) to shed the tax problem this year (Minny has $room) – 22 and 23 taxes solved
Minny – This is YOUR dude , the swaps more eye candy than anything and your gonna be a good team the next 3 years, offer um unprotected get it done! And your the T WOLVES !!
**OFC I wouldnt do this is if I was ATL, id shed Danillo for anything expiring and just go about my bizness but Minny is positioned here to get them thinking – The whole GSW pick fiasco and T Wolve name prolly adds more value to those picks in theory than they’ll ever become . Minny becomes top 5 team in West net couple years
Yeah, there’s a cache to the Minn 1st’s. Minn ain’t so great with basketballs, but they are great with ping pong balls. But can they keep staying so consistently bad as they add top players? Might be turning already, some. If I’m ATL, I’d first look to consolidate, trading two guys plus picks for one younger star. That’s hard, so, if not, I’d try to focus on a younger RSC guy or a high 1st that’s set.
Fox to NY …… get it done. Very doable.
Haliburton and Fox can not succeed in same backcourt. Since Sac has been trying to move Buddy since the day they signed him. They Have tried to play Haliburton with Fox. Won’t work since both are more PG than SG.
With Mitchell there. They need to solidify another position. It’s in their best interest. Randle will do better in a small market. Knicks can also sweeten the deal with picks. We can even take Bagley.
link to bleacherreport.com
Fox, Bagley and a second for Randle and Kemba.
As you said Al, can’t see Fox and Haliburton being a good duo. Hali is a great shooter, solid playmaker, and decent defence. Perfect fit with Randle I think. Randle provides a solid go to scoring option, secondary playmaking, great athleticism and would do well in a smaller market and just away from the Lakers.
Fox I think would do well in NY under Thibs too. Really fast aggressive in your face style. I think we could attract more young talent especially with Barrett and Reddish it would look like they are building something nicely.
Throw in Bagley for Kemba aswell. Kemba would be a solid vet off the bench and help Mitchell. Knicks won’t need 3 point guards with Fox Rose and Walker. Really nice scoring option for them. Bagley helps fill the void left at PF with Randle gone.