The potential price tag for acquiring Kevin Durant isn’t what should matter most to the Raptors, argues Scott Stinson of The National Post, who says that determining whether Durant would actually be motivated and invested in playing for Toronto should be the most important factor for the team’s lead decision-makers.
As Stinson writes, Durant’s motivation in asking for a trade out of Brooklyn remains a bit nebulous, especially since he just signed a four-year extension last August. That should concern vice chairman and president of basketball operations Masai Ujiri, because dealing for a superstar who might not be engaged or on the same page as the club could be disastrous, according to Stinson.
Drawing parallels between Ujiri’s trade for Kawhi Leonard in the 2018 offseason to the Durant sweepstakes now doesn’t make sense, per Stinson, because the situations aren’t similar.
Leonard was coming off an injury that caused him to miss almost the entire 2017/18 season, was on an expiring contract, and the Raptors teams led by Kyle Lowry and DeMar DeRozan had been given ample time to breakthrough in the East, but couldn’t get past LeBron James. The Raptors finished second in the East in the two years after Leonard left Toronto, so obviously the team remained competitive and didn’t mortgage its future to acquire him, Stinson writes.
Durant, on the other hand, has four years remaining on his deal, so obviously it will cost significantly more to land him, plus the current version of the Raptors is ascendant, with Rookie of the Year Scottie Barnes, Gary Trent Jr., and Precious Achiuwa among the new additions who made significant contributions to a team that improved its win total from 27 to 48. Dealing away from an emerging core only for Durant to balk at the idea of staying could put Toronto in a hole that would be difficult to climb out of, says Stinson.
Here’s more from the Atlantic:
- Could a lesser role on the Celtics benefit Malcolm Brogdon from a health perspective? “The knock against him coming out of college is that he had terrible knees,” a rival general manager told Steve Bulpett of Heavy.com. “I mean, some of the examinations were really suspect in terms of how long his lower body would be able to take NBA pounding. So that’s why he ended up going in the second round, because he was damn near red-flagged. So the fact of the matter is he’s probably better off coming off the bench with limited minutes, trying to be impactful in 18 rather than trying to play 30 and always being injured. The question becomes how he’ll accept that.” Boston reportedly views Brogdon as a sixth man, and he said shortly after the deal was announced that he’s motivated to win a championship and is willing to sacrifice his individual stats for the betterment of the team.
- De’Anthony Melton believes he’s a “great fit” for the Sixers, writes Gina Mizell of The Philadelphia Inquirer (subscriber link). “Once I saw the team, I’m like, ‘OK, that’s a great spot,'” Melton told The Inquirer by phone last week. “That’s a great fit for me. … I understand what this team needs. I understand what this team is trying to do. I’m ready for the task at hand. I’m ready for whatever’s to come.” Melton was acquired from the Grizzlies in exchange for the No. 23 pick (David Roddy) and Danny Green in a draft-day swap.
- Signing free agent guard Jalen Brunson was a solid move for the Knicks but they still look like a play-in team on paper, Ian O’Connor of The New York Post opines. According to O’Connor, while Brunson is a good player and the best point guard the Knicks will employ in years, neither he nor RJ Barrett or Julius Randle are capable of being the best — or second-best — players on a championship-caliber team, and unless something drastic changes, New York will begin 2022/23 as “just another barely relevant club.”
42 thoughts on “Atlantic Notes: Raptors, Durant, Brogdon, Melton, Knicks”
U can’t call a team anything right now, they will have to build chemistry first. The faster, the better. I’m not a Knicks fan but On paper they improved
I totally agree. Young players put in new situations that allow them to breath can improve noticeably. RJ is still very young. Randle might be energized and looking to right his ship. Who knows what players or ops might present themselves. I’m not holding aspirations of them being a true contender this year but being a 7-8 seed isn’t far fetched depending on where Kyrie and Durant go, injuries e.t.c. The Knicks just need to show progress.
I don’t think they really improved though. Lost 3 best defensive players.
And on paper, a lot of other teams improved as well. Brunson doesn’t move the needle.
Durant and Irving are poker players. Irving would walk for nothing next summer if he joins the Lakers this summer.
Why? Lakers look good on paper but ….
Some investors are not willing to invest in Kyrie Irving poker stock.
Am I the only one that thinks the Nets are not going to get the haul they expect for Durant$. Even though he has 4 years remaining on his contract what’s to stop him from pulling the same sh$t next season and forcing his new team to scramble to get what they gave up for Durant.
Depends what your expectations are.
Perfect world Raps give up OG + bench filler to match salaries, 4 FRP and swaps.
Realistically they give up
OG, Gary, 4 FRP and 3 swaps.
Durant didn’t get the attention he craves by winning a chip so he makes this statement out of the blue and now all anyone does is talk about him…again. Sooo tired of this Durant crap, he is like a spoiled child should be ignored.
Lakers and Knicks are laughingstocks last summer and again this summer.
Both teams are not making playoffs unless Westbrook and Randle are traded.
LeBron will start to decline, so is Randle.
Knicks trade 11th pick to dump Walker. That is a flaw.
Lakers signed 6 free agents. All of them are unplayable in playoffs. That is the biggest major flaw in the nba.
Knicks forgot they are the world capital and Lakers forgot they are Hollywood.
Your post is illogical. Who cares about the aura of either city? They’ve each had hard times attracting free agents in the last decade. Players seemingly don’t care if the roster looks too shakey to compete. They’d rather go elsewhere. Lakers made a tiny mistake they can’t get rid of. but many teams struggle after winning a title based off of thrown together vets. Knicks….yeesh. They just have to commit to a full rebuild but draft position seldom has done them any favors.
Are any of his posts ever logical? One of the contributors that makes me sometimes not even want to read the comments. Sorry, but just being honest. He’s got to know he’s annoying by now. Maybe he’s just trolling lol. Maybe he’s abusing substances before he posts.
On paper, they’re stuck in NBA purgatory. Good enough to maybe make the playoffs, but not bad enough to get premium talent in the draft. It’s the worst place in the NBA to be. Our only hopes are these few things: Robinson stays on the court all year and gives us a full year of his peak. We’ve seen in the past that when he’s in shape and playing well … he’s a difference maker.
RJ Barret continues to improve and take his game up another level. He seems to be getting better every year, and now with a proper PG hopefully his shooting percentages improve.
Brunson develops great chemistry with Randall and the rest of the team. This is something you can’t predict or foresee. We just have to see how it plays out over the first 24 games or so.
But if you watched the playoffs this year, none of the teams seemed dominant. A team that gets hot at the right time and has chemistry can make some noise in the NBA right now.
There’s a little bit of hope here. But I’m not counting on it.
It is plausible though. What else can the Knicks do? One of these days we have to strike gold in the draft. We just missed Curry. We just missed Morant. We never get the guys like Jokic or Mitchell. That kind of good fortune just always seems to miss the Knicks.
Knicks got Ewing. Lightning does not strike that often. Bucks got Kareem and then 40 some years later Giannis. Getting a generational player is more luck than skill. Everyone knew Kareem was great but not Giannis when drafted.
The Knicks didn’t trade the 11th pick to get rid of Walker. They traded 4 2nd rounders, plus swapped a 1st they got from the 3 1st they got from trading the 11th pick.
@silly – biggest flaw is your logic and posts. If you’re going to criticize, at least get your data correct as @empire pointed out so nicely.
To me the Bulls make the most sense. They have the player assets and future draft capital.
Stevens got fleeced. I would never had given up next year’s first and Nesmith for an injury prone 29yo guard who can bearly play 2/3 of a season. They should have been more aggressive pursing Melton and/or Bruce Brown. Now they have zero draft capital to fall on. Stupid team.
I don’t think they care how much brogdon plays in regular season as long as he there for playoffs.
Draft capital? They nearly won a chip and you’re worried about giving up a top-12 protected pick? If it doesn’t convey this year, Pacers get a second-round pick instead. So if they’re a good team in 22-23 then the puck is likely going to be a late round selection. If they’re horrible and drafting in the top 12 then they keep it and send Indiana a 2nd round pick. The upside of a Brogdon being available to gel with the team and be available for a post-season run id worth it because it’s clear they needed a traditional point guard to distribute and spread the floor. Brogdon can do that if he’s himself.
A healthy Brogdon pushes them over the top to beat the Warriors in this years finals. That’s probably where their mindset was with this deal. It’s not ridiculous for them to think that. It seems like they will manage his load accordingly.
You’re the only person that I have seen…anywhere…that says Stevens got fleeced.
You’re either a genius or you have zero idea what youre talking about.
Brightside goes all out for his limited data set. You know like Sillivan putting it all on shooting percentage.
I think he’s sincere.
And here I thought Stevens was a genius for making that deal. Silly me.
Oh the Pacers must be yucking it up after getting rid of their worst contract while getting a 1st and Nesmith in return.
Ok, now I know you’re trolling.
The more I look at it the more I hope he goes back to Golden State but only under these circumstances:
Nets want an All-Star, and young piece, and picks. GS gives them Wiggins, Wiseman, 3 picks and a swap. They keep Jordy and Kuminga so the future is still bright and they get KD (one of the best players in the world) who knows how to play in that offense and has proven to be successful in it. Bank on 4-5 more years of contention and hope for your rooks to carry the torch. If they want Moody too then ship him. That core isn’t getting younger. Go all out.
The warriors would need to get creative and add a 3rd team. The nets wouldn’t be allowed to acquire wiggins via trade with Simmons on the roster. League rules state you can only acquire one player on a designated rookie extension via trade. So either the nets need to add a team and trade Simmons, unlikely as his value is in the toilet, or they add a third team and send Wiggins there with more assets going to the nets
Toronto would accept Wiggins + Wiseman + Moody and than convey Trent Jr + Wiseman+ Birch + Young+ Svi + warriors provide 3 First Round Picks + swaps
Flynn to the Warriors
Durant to the Warriors
Raptors sign Austin Rivers
FVV, Wiggins, OG, Barnes, Siakam,
Rivers, Moody, OPJ, Boucher, Achuiwa
Banton , Brooks, Champagnie, Koloko
Toronto thanks the Warriors & the Nets
I like this way too much
KD is soon to be 34…any team that gets him will not be get peak KD nor a full season of KD. Teams hope he will be nor be injured for a playoff run (like the Celts with Brogdon). Dubious at best but I can see rolling the dice for it. It did work recently for LAL.
Durant’s price will go down. He is 34 and was swept in the playoffs with Kyrie. He looked mortal against the Celtics, too.
He averaged 37 mpg in the regular season…I don’t see that happening again.
If the Bulls offered Vooch, Ball and Williams I believe the Nets should take it and run if Ball knee is fine…
Vooch is on a expiring contract… Ball and Williams are two young players that you can build around…
They want a PG13 haul. The first trade and the 2nd trade combined.
This has probably already been posted, but-
Add a Harden (or whatever other name fits, we have a few) Rule to the next CBA. Max or supermax contract players are allowed no more than one trade request or force-out per contract.
Probably some of us who’d like the rule to be if you sign a max or supermax, you have to play it out with the team you signed it with. But maybe do the one instance as a concession to get it by the NBAPA.
Siakam, Trent, Achiuwa, 3 picks and 2 swaps for KD and Seth Curry
So Barnes, Seth, Fred and KD wins a chip? ehh
OG, Boucher, Porter, Banton, etc…
Well, I hear ya, but they also did it with Leonard. I wouldn’t discount them, but would be cautiously optimistic.
That was literally the perfect possible trade. They got rid of their biggest issue and got 2 wings that fit perfectly
Here they would have a strong team, but I dont know it guarantees as much. I do think theyd be really, really good though, and possibly would have a strong chance to win
Barnes, Curry, OG, KD, Boucher
FVV, Banton, Porter, 1 of their bigs
That would be an extremely strong rotation
Pass on that.
5 way trade
Raptors trade OG + Svi +Flynn to Indiana
Indiana sends Turner to Suns, Duarte + 1st in 2024 to Raps
Suns send Ayton to Toronto 4/115 starts@$26.5
Suns send Saric & Payne to Pacers
Warriors send Wiggins & Moody to Raps
Toronto sends Trent Jr. & Wiseman & Birch to
Nets send Durant to Warriors
Warriors convey 3 first round picks to Nets
Toronto conveys one swap in 2024 to the Nets.
Suns /Sarver are pleased as they are under the Luxury Tax
Indiana is under the Salary Cap-
Toronto is under the Luxury Tax
Raptors could extend Wiggins and FVV for 23/24
Warriors save a little bit of monies but preserve Kuminga & Poole with the core and gain Durant for 4 years.
Almost none of this makes sense