The Jazz and Knicks are discussing a deal that would send Donovan Mitchell to New York, sources tell Shams Charania and Tony Jones of The Athletic.
According to The Athletic’s duo, the Jazz are listening to offers from multiple teams, but the Knicks have become the “focused destination.” Both teams have discussed the framework of a potential deal in the past 24 hours, Charania and Jones report.
New York possesses several future first-round picks and young players to package for the three-time All-Star, including second-year guard Quentin Grimes, whom the Jazz are believed to be interested in, sources tell The Athletic. Grimes was the No. 25 pick of the 2021 draft, shot 38.1% from three-point range as a rookie while playing solid defense, and has had a strong Summer League performance in Las Vegas over the past week.
Utah is focused on a return centered around draft picks and players on rookie scale contracts, per Charania and Jones. Ian Begley of SNY.tv reported earlier today that the Jazz were keying in on a draft pick-centric package.
After Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report said the Jazz are open to moving any of the players acquired from the Timberwolves, Charania and Jones go a step further, saying that there are no untouchable players on Utah’s roster, and all of the team’s veterans have been made available. Patrick Beverley, Malik Beasley and Jordan Clarkson have all drawn interest in trade talks, sources tell The Athletic.
The Jazz apparently view draft picks as the best way to rebuild the roster, with CEO Danny Ainge recently discussing the subject of the team’s limitations following the Rudy Gobert trade.
“You’re over the tax, no draft picks, and our team loses in the first round,” Ainge said on Saturday. “It wasn’t fun for us. We want it to be fun for our fans and our players, but we just haven’t had much flexibility to do anything over the last little while.”
The Knicks are motivated to present a “significant package” for Mitchell, according to Charania and Jones, but as Begley wrote, they’re wary of giving up too much because they want to have enough depth to be a contender in the East.
The Athletic’s duo says there’s “incredible interest” on the Knicks’ side to bring the 25-year-old home to New York, where Mitchell spends a lot of time in the offseason. Still, the Jazz have a high asking price for the talented guard, so it remains to be seen what a potential deal might ultimately look like.
One foot out the door and the other foot on a banana peel. This fella is going to be shipped out of town.
If it’s the Knicks and a few draft picks plus salary necessary, then a good deal for both teams. Jazz start over.., and I mean they really start over, and the Knicks get a stud they’ve needed.
Trader Danny is sounding lively
What is the Jazz’s plan? Half of their roster is veterans who could probably help another team or contender. Beasley, Beverley, Bogdanovic, Clarkson, Conley, and Gay could all probably be had, and that’s not even including Mitchell, or Jarred Vanderbilt who you might wanna keep around because his skillset is really nice for a team with shooters and wings
Those dominoes will
Be next.
They have no plan. Jazz are screwed, Ainge is a trash GM. If it wasn’t for McHale, he would have ran the Celtics organization in to the ground
He’s looking pretty good so far in Utah. Saying he’s “trash” sounds more like jealousy. Besides, he’s probably really motivated to help his college home state after stealing Hayward from the Jazz for literally nothing. It’s his form on penance. =)
Dude, he just got an absolute king’s ransom for Rudy Gobert and his massive contract. How can he be trash after pulling that off?
It’s comical. His former team that he put together just went to the finals.
Vanderbilt is the star at $5m a yr. Package him with one of the others can get multiple picks… or as you said a keeper…. Jazz can get over 10 # 1 picks… Gobert, Royce, Mitchell, and any other trades… not bad for a rebuild.
Or they can trade Conley and Clarkson, and add assets to the ones they’ve already accumulated, and then take the 25 year old they already have, holdon to Bogdanovic for now, around the defenders they now have on the roster, and Walker Kessler at the 5, and retool, and then potentially make other decisions later, and either move a couple of those guys as well for more assets, or see what they can do by adding a couple of shooters to that group of defenders
If I am the Knicks, they have to get this done. Though not the exact terms, the Knicks should be trading 4 firsts, Julius Randle, Quentin Grimes and the Knicks acquire Donovan Mitchell and Patrick Beverly. Utah in turn trades Randle to a third team for more picks and rookies.
This would seem fair market value. Utah likely winds up with 5 firsts and multiple young players plus some expiring contracts that will be needed in the mix. The Knicks still have Barrett and Toppin plus they add a top defensive guard to offset the poor defense of Brunson and Mitchell. The Knicks will need an agile defensive forward who can score a little to ensure the defense is not torched. Barrett is better when he is not forced to score which is why he was less efficient last year with Randle not efficient.
Last thing the Knicks need is Beverly. They’d have Beverly, Mitchell, Rose, IQ, McBride, and let’s not forget newly signed Brunson. Plus you’d now have Barrett and Fournier at SF, so Fournier is an expensive bench player.
4 firsts for Donovan Mitchell ? Lol. Quick me toppin, quickley, 2 first and Fournier.
Utah would tell you no.
Neither deal gets it done. They want a Gobert package and both of you want to tack on bad contracts. They won’t bite.
Randle has a negative value contract, knicks need to pay extra if he is in the trade
I’d give what Utah wants – 5 number ones, Grimes, and see what it would take to get them to take Fournier. Another number one? Sure. Two? All yours.
All of a sudden the Knicks have a normalized cap applied to players you’d want and a starting five that would consist of: Brunson, Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, and Robinson. Rose, IQ and Toppin are you top three off the bench.
Need to move randle and let brunson be their general floor
Which is fine, but if you’re moving him as part of this deal the price will go up.
Of course, if they are determined to get Mitchell and they can do this they have to, so long as the price would be reasonable for adding Randle to the mix. But at that point the overall cost involved is going to be exorbitant.
You can forget about keeping RJ if you want Mitchell. Ainge is far from dumb.
Article made it sound like Dan wants Grimes more than RJ. Thing about RJ is that he’s extension eligible soon; maybe Danny doesn’t want to pay him?
The report makes it sound like it. However, we all know the media can be bought to support agendas. I wouldn’t believe any “report” until the same package gets reported by multiple sources.
Regardless, the Knicks fans need to realize that you’re trying to pry another team’s franchise player with multiple years in his deal left. They’re not going to make it easy for you. Otherwise, why not just keep him? There’s no incentive to trade him now. The Knicks need to create the incentive.
Utah is going to do an OKC style rebuild. They are NOT interested in real players. They will carry enough contracts to keep them above the salary cap floor and that is it.
So.. a 5 year rebuild? And still nowhere?
Remember Carmelo Anthony?
Giveem grimey & all 8 firsts
I bet Grimes’ summer league action motivated Ainge to restart talks.
Grimes is only attractive to Utah because he makes very little money. They are going to do an OKC style rebuild. This has been their intention since they have done nothing but totally flop since getting the best record in the West 2 years ago. This a a complete tear down. San Antonio is doing the same thing.
The problem I have with trying to acquire Mitchell, whether it’s for the Cavs involving Sexton plus others or for the Knicks center around RJ plus others is this. What’s the gain between Mitchell – Sexton or Mitchell- RJ in points added or points saved defensively? Assuming healthy Sexton has mid 20’s potential (24 scored in 20-21 when last healthy). Mitchell’s career high is 26 ppg. With the Knicks RJ peeked at 20 who like Sexton has improved his numbers in each of his first 3 seasons. Mitchell is at best a decent defender and like Sexton he stands at 6’1 so he won’t answer the need of having two smallish guards. RJ’s not a great defender either but he’s got a height advantage at 6’6. So if they’re looking for draft picks and young players does it make sense for EITHER team to give up young starters/ rotation guys with talent to bring in one solo talent in Mitchell? Is he going to turn either team into 50+ win teams? I’d rather pass if it were me. It’s not like getting a transcendent in their prime talent like a younger KD, LBJ, or current Giannis that can turn a good team into a champ contender. All your getting is a player with more accolades in terms of playing well in the playoffs.
Can you talk Sexton any more?
Not that I want more response.
@x%sure
I think I could. it’d be tough tho. Cavs make me nervous.
Cavs FO has never been very open, even to misdirect. Since Gilbert anyway
Sexton scored that many on a bad team. Garland opened up because of Sexton’s injury and the team has been better because of it. RJ is actually a pretty solid defender and only drops 20 per because there’s others on the team that score – he’s not the main source nor does he have the ball in his hands to go play 1:1 ISO ball. Mitchell drops mid 20’s because he ‘is’ the main offensive weapon on that team. His defense is pretty damn bad and is lucky Harden is still in the league to claim the title for best ‘Matador’ in the NBA. I’d hate for the Knicks to move RJ – I think he’s only going to get better and moving him for Mitchell would really defeat the purpose.
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I’m going to push back against that. Sexton took 18 shots per game in 2021. Garland was taking about 15 to 16 a game. Even Drummond was taking 15 per before being traded. The increase in points with Garland was modest. Sexton wasn’t suppressing Garland offensively. If anything, he was a weapon that took some of the handling burden. He was 17 and 6 in 2021 and went to 21 and 8 the next. I think adding Markkanen 15 points on 15 FGA and Mobley with 15 points on 11 FGA and the resurgence and availability of Love 75 games vs 25 in 2021 were the biggest reasons. His assists grew. The much improved defense with Mobley and Allen took the team from being ranked 25th out of 30th in 2021 to 7th out of 30th. The fact remains we wore Garland out as he led the league in minutes played (38) in the 2nd half. The team, even with the additions of those mentioned earlier, only moved from 25 to 20 in offense and they’ve done nothing to address the offense aside from Ochai Agbali, who should help but uncertain like most rookies. Sexton at SG just makes sense and can ease the burden on Garland.
I love what the Cavs are doing, but Sexton at SG is a liability on defense. Personally I look at him as a Lou Williams type – good offense, provided that his +/- isn’t on the negative side due to his defense. He’s small for off guard for 30+ minutes a game in my opinion, but a solid pace changer for instant offense and BU PG if necessary. If he was willing to accept 15-18M per, I’d say he’s worth keeping.
A note about Sexton and even moreso, Mitchell—
These guys were not assigned to play hard defense. Sexton was supposed to attack the rim and put points up from the getgo, bc Lebron left and Gilbert liked him. He should have improved defensively in time, but on a bad team that then drafted Garland, he lacked motivation to. Note, he is surprised at his lack of $20mil+ offers. He thought he was doing the right & requested thing.
Mitchell was part of a team that guided drivers to Gobert intentionally, then get downcourt. He may be able to improve. Even having Robinson, Thibs will likely have different expectations.
I can see Mitchell improving because he can turn defense into offense if he learns how. RJ has been slowly doing it and it’s worked. As for Sexton, I can’t think of ever a player not assigned to play defense except if they’re under the tutelage of a Mr. Mike D’Antoni.
I mean the most realistic deal seems to be RJ Barrett, Evan Fouriner, Grimes and Idk like 4 firsts.
But by the sounds of it NY doesn’t really want to give up Barrett and the Jazz would rather not have to extend him and deal with that. They want cheap rookie deals and picks hence the interest in Grimes.
If you can do a package of Fouriner, Toppin, Grimes and Reddish plus 4 first that would be even better.
Although it sounds awful on paper but a core of Brunson Mitchell Barrett Randle and Robinson is actually a step forward. Off the bench you still have DRose, you got Hartenstein, Quickly, McBride, Keels and Sims.
Although It doesn’t sound like a team that would mesh well and they wouldn’t be competing for the title atleast it’s a step better than it was last season and you’ve got a couple big names to lead. If they get Donovan Mitchell he would be the focal point. I Wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade Barrett instead of extending him or trading Brunson once eligible in order to build around Mitchell and Randle.
In which case I’m sure the Pelicans would be a big name with the Zion link. Imagine Spida Ingram Randle and Robinson
Would love a Zion and RJ reunion… Maybe Lakers will get into this Spida deal
I feel like that is the only deal that makes a tiny bit of sense, even though I think there are probably too many picks involved (I guess to make sure they take Fournier, but Fournier can actually give Utah some of what they need at his position), but you are left with a roster that doesnt fit great, unless certain people are willing to come off the bench, and then you would also probably have to start Randle at the 5, and get a floor spacer at the 4 position, as well as a backup wing player to Barrett…
Again, like I’ve been mentioning, it seems like a lot of extra steps to take for short sighted reasoning
I don’t think it’s short sighted at all and I don’t think Randle would be the 5.
I think they’d line up Brunson Spida Barrett Randle and Robinson. The season would play out as expected, poor defence and odd mix of player cost them games.
But what would be interesting is how they plan to build around Donovan after you get him.
Do you still extend Barrett ? And at what price? Or are you better off trading him.
Brunson, the splashy signing I don’t think he’s a good fit but his contract ain’t terrible and you could look to move him once he’s eligible.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they couldn’t come to terms with Barrett on an extension then come the end of the season they did a sign and trade. RJ Barrett for OG Anunoby via sign and trade at the end of the season.
Raptors being Barrett back to Canada, and a team of FVV Barrett Barnes Siakim and Precious would be very strong
So you’re saying punt on this year for now, with fewer assets and after trading picks, then trade the player you just maneuvered a bunch for, and then trade your last remaining young talent at an important position to a team that will take him for a currently more valuable player/contract b/c he is from Canada, and form a team there that cant shoot either, with a bunch of people that need the ball in their hands…
Sounds a lot like what I was saying…a lot of steps for short sighted reasoning
It’s a tad lite still
Utah would want Rose over Fourn and I think more draft capital when all said and done
Building a team through draft picks is a great idea except for the fan. For Ainge, it allows him to keep his job a lot longer since that strategy takes longer and it allows them to be bad for years with no consequences since it is expected. And since it supposedly worked in Boston, he’ll get a lot of leash in Utah. Never mind the fact that a majority of his draft picks in Boston just floundered on the bench because there is only one ball and a maximum of 5 guys on the court at a time.
It worked in BOS only because (i) they didn’t tank (to get high picks themselves), and (ii) they were able to get very high picks from BKN because they were dumb enough to trade him unprotected picks. It’s really that simple. They got Brown and Tatum from that deal, and neither would be there if the picks were even top 3 protected. The rest of his drafts weren’t great, but weren’t horrible. Smart (#6) from their one tanking year. Rozier. Both Williams’. Even Pritchard has to be considered a good pick.
The Celtics also signed Heyward and Horford and used a pick to trade for Kyrie. Utah now will have cap space to trade for oo sign whoever will come there.
It’s easy not to tank if Brooklyn does the tanking for you. Maybe Utah will get the same from Minnesota and/or the Knicks, maybe not. We’ll have to wait and see.
Let’s be honest, Ainge got lucky that his only good pick in several drafts in a row just happened to be his highest pick. In the Jaylen Brown draft, he had 8 picks including 3 1sts, and Brown is the only one to really do anything. In 2017, they had 4 picks and Tatum is the only one to do anything. In 2019, they had 4 picks and traded the best of the lot in Thybulle. In 2020, exact same thing, traded the best of the lot in Desmond Bane.
ANYONE can get a couple of good players with as many picks as the Celtics had just through sheer random luck. I just don’t think Ainge should get as much credit as he does. As long as the picks are at the top of the draft, I’m sure Ainge will do fine. But he is not very good at finding the Donovan Mitchell type talent in the middle of the first.
Are you trying to tell me that all they got was Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum, which led to an NBA Finals appearance shortly thereafter, and you’re saying it like it’s a bad thing?
Tons and tons of 1st round picks do not work out. It’s precisely why Ainge acquired so many. You’re just hoping that one of any group pans out. That’s what happened, and it’s why the Celtics are such a good team now. It worked.
@hiflew –
I don’t think the bottom line on BOS during that period was they had a volume of picks and two worked out. They did not just get Brown and Tatum with 2 of their many picks. They got them with 2016 pick #3 (from BKN) and then pick 2017 pick #3 (after trading down from #1 from BKN). I think the bottom line is the picks that matter most are the ping pong ball picks that fall at the top of the draft. IMO, the vast majority of the luck Ainge had in those drafts was in BKN being reckless enough not to insist on some protection on its picks, and in how the ping pong balls bounced. Yes, not all top 3 guys work out. But it’s not coincidence that his two huge hits came with his only two top 5 picks.
Sexton Robert Williams Grant Williams dare picks. KO has had a good run Rozier is the best I his class. You are an idiot to think Danny is not a top 5 drafters. GSW has only 4 homegrown player.
I doubt Danny Ainge worries about job security
Do wonder if ego is at play a bit and he just burns the town to the ground so it’s all his masterpiece in the end
Draft picks aren’t equivalent to FGA though – if you shoot 2/10 and the two you hit on are Brown and Tatum then you got the job done and then some
So you think Philly was successful in 5 straight top 6 picks by hitting Embiid and to a lesser extent Simmons and missing on Okafor, Noel, and Fultz. Even though it was 2/5, I think it was mediocre at best.
Anyone could hit on 2 picks when they are in the top 3. And let’s forget that Jaylen Brown took several years to actually become good. And to be honest, he is really not THAT good. And he is about as durable as a discount paper towel.
First off, Jaylen Brown just logged 921 minutes this playoffs, averaged over 22ppg in each series, including in the Finals where he was arguably Boston’s best player. He’s payed over 70 games in every non-COVID effected season prior to this one, where he played 66. So “durable as a discount paper towel”? Maybe you’re confusing with another player.
And actually I would consider the Philly experiment overall a success. Getting a generation center like Embiid is just worth more 25 above average players.
Philly has had its bad breaks no doubt, but they’re going to have about 10 years of being in the mix of contention solely because of Joel Embiid. Drafting 8 D’Angelo Russells will never do that for you, sorry.
“Anyone could hit” – also categorically false. Sacramento and Orlando have each spent the last 10-15 years in the lottery and don’t have 1 pick close to either Embiid or Tatum.
The fact you’re even making this argument a month after Boston was in the NBA Finals with Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, and Robert Williams (all of whom they drafted) is more or less absurd. I’ll give you that drafting is a good amount of luck. But luck or skill, Boston and Philly have had quite a bit of it.
I said anyone COULD hit, not anyone WILL hit.
@hi – keep in mind that it’s not the teams fault if the drafts are weak. And Ainge robbing the Sixers on the Fultz deal – can’t forget that Picasso he painted on draft day.
Utah’s boss has Ainge on the “BB Mount Rushmore”, that’s the key opinion.
If the NYK send UTH even 2 unprotected 1st round picks, they’ve given away more draft capital than any team has in recent memory, dwarfing in value the picks MIN gave for Gobert for sure.
Simply put, 1st round picks aren’t fungible. MIN picks aren’t worth anything near what NYK picks are worth. MIN has two #1 overall picks, and a #2 overall pick, on their roster to play with Gobert. LAC (PG13), BKN (Harden), MIL (Holiday), etc. all had contending teams when they gave up control of multiple drafts. Even in a bad year, most of these teams figured to be picking in the back part of the 1st round.
Who was the last team coming off a losing season with only 1 playoff appearance in last 8 years that has traded away its own unprotected 1st round picks?
A good 8th seed Clippers is as high as I can remember. (Paul George) Clips certainly count(ed) as dog doo
They were only 5 games outta 3rd tho that year in a packed West
We had a “protection” problem tho for awhile, glad to see they are finally being lifted more now
Plus, LAC were acquiring KL at the same time, and would be one of the title favorites, with two stars in their 20’s. LAL, in the AD deal, were coming off one lottery season (not sure on the record), but were adding AD to LBJ, and certainly projected as one of the favorites too.
The answer is zero, primarily because star players pretty much no longer get traded w/o their consent, and star players generally don’t want to go to losing situations. So even if a losing team were dumb enough to offer (I’m sure Sacramento has …) the deal would fail to get executed.
All of which begs a second question: How good of a recruiter is Donovan Mitchell?
Because my guess would be, unless Dolan is running the negotiations, that the Knicks FO is viewing Mitchell as the first domino to fall here, that they’re banking on the Real Housewives nature of the new NBA to lead to DM convincing one of his All-NBA pals that Manhattan is the new San Francisco.
Because if he can’t then Ainge is about to pull off back to back coups in Utah.
I don’t think that’s the primary reason, but it certainly works hand in hand. Bottom line is picks from lottery teams (unless lottery protected) trade at a huge premium over other teams’ picks in all trades at all price points. I don’t think it makes sense that when dealt in volume for a star they wouldn’t. But, we’ll see. If the NYK offer up similar players and the same picks as say MIA, will Ainge treat it as fungible and make his choice based on which players he prefers?
I think relying on a star to recruit another was never a sound strategy unless they’re coming together with at least one being a FA. FA signings are all but a thing of the past, and even if they return, we won’t have cap space once we’re carrying Mitchell plus even a low playoff cast. Trades? Forget it, at least if we trade our most valuable picks for Mitchell. we’ll have sent our best assets (picks) for Mitchell. Also, Mitchell is respected and liked around the league, but like Melo his game is not one that will attract other star players. He doesn’t facilitate and shoots too much, while rarely even trying much on defense.
Well put. The wolves dlo/Wiggins trade that included a top 3 protected comes to mind.
Yes, I think that’s the closest that a very possible lottery team has come to moving it’s own picks unprotected.
This certainly feels a bit rushed by the Jazz
Makes me think it’s just all about picks and Nyk has them along w the desire. Utah probably wants to move fast as this probably isn’t the last deal they will make in July. Could def see a trade soon here, maybe over the weekend ;this feels much heavier than smoke now
Yeah it seems like Ainge really wants to take August off here, haha. My guess is he probably wants Mitchell gone by training camp though, just so Utah can maximize their losses (literally) this season.
If that’s the case then striking a deal with NYK while the iron is hot makes some sense. It doesn’t seem like there are too many teams with draft capital that are super high on adding Mitchell to their roster, at least before the season.
Granted a Durant trade could change all of that, but that also now seems like something destined to extend into October
I think this has been Utah’s intention for quite some time. The Royce O’Neal trade was the first domino that were not trying to contend. Gobert for draft picks for the 2nd clue. They have been talking to the Knicks the whole time. This is the reason why Atlanta was able to get Dejounte Murray without the Knicks making a serious effort. The Knicks were already working on the Mitchell trade. Mitchell is already signed and is from New York.
This deal is already done!!
The Knicks have an interesting group of players.
I read Dejounte wanted Hawks and Spurs went along. Teams will do that nowadays.
Ainge def had a green light. Not sure he had detailed plans, but was offered a haul by Wolves, and Mitchell read the papers that a rebuild was on.
Good point re: other deals. I’ve said they could and should drag things out, but that could change if Ainge is itching to make other immediate moves.
The Knicks always confuse me, I’m not sure on the aggressive push for Sipda. No argument he’ll instantly be the best player on that team.
However, it’s not like they’re in “win now” mode. They have three “good” at best(right now) players In RJ, Randle and Brunson and a few young players who can be good so why go all in on Mitchell. Is it not smarter to push for Sexton in a S&T? whom they’ll get for much less and has a similar ceiling and on a cheaper contract(I already think a fit Sexton is better than Brunson) Either way they won’t be top 8 in the East this year or maybe even next so better to play it safe and collect some good prospects while not losing everything they have of value.
I’m sure the assets the Knicks have would get it done quite easily while keeping some of their young guys, maybe even have a chance to offload Randle or Fournier.
I agree. And I’ll keep coming back to the defensive side of things.
Defense wins championships. Or, at least, you need to be above average on defense to generally have a shot at one. A backcourt of Brunson and Mitchell would require 3 plus defenders to have a shot at being such. Right now, they have 1 such defender in Robinson. Randle will never be a good defender and while RJ has more potential on that end he’s not a positive defender right now. I don’t care how good of a defensive coach Thibs is. He can only do so much.
And don’t get me started on the shooting issues. Those are a bit easier to address if Randle and/or RJ can improve there (more likely RJ), or if the Knicks ever decide to move Robinson, but to have both be missing ingredients right now would be backbreaking. It’s just not smart teambuilding unless you’d have tremendous faith in the front office being able to make multiple significant subsequent moves to address all of those needs, and to do so with depleted assets and limited cap space.
This is one of those trades that, if it goes down, should only really be graded after the future pieces would have fallen. Because if they don’t fall into place, this trade will likely have been a failure.
Absolutely no argument my side, The entire Knicks team with the exception of Robinson have non existent D. RJ could be a good defender in a few years, but Randle will never improve. And again the whole shooting argument is the same Randle will not put the work to improve.
This is what brings me back to the point of Sexton, they can get him with relative ease develop the partnership with Brunson and RJ then look towards getting a defensive forward down the line. Sextons size makes it difficult to see a defensive ceiling but right now a push for an offensive superstar like Mitchell is a bad call. If we’re talking about Miami or Bucks I’d say push for him, but not on a team that’s not competitive and has no defensive star to make up for his weaknesses. I get every franchise wants a superstar, but it has to be within reason and has to benefit the team. This does not, just looks like a money making exercise to get butts on seats and jerseys sold.
Jazz are doing it right, if it don’t work collapses and build again, don’t just keep throwing “brown” and the wall and see what sticks! Frustrating and I’m not even a Knicks fan.
For sure, I’d much, much rather acquire Sexton for a significantly lesser cost than to acquire Mitchell. If you’re dead set on making a splashier type of move now, that’s the better move to make.
Besides, the Knicks with Sexton are likely still a playoff team in the East. And if they’re pursuing Mitchell in such fashion, they’d basically be waiving the white flag on being a serious contender. If that’s the case, you might as well keep your key assets while still accomplishing a good bit of what you wanted to originally accomplish.
Who says the Cavs want to trade Sexton? They don’t want picks they want ready yo win now players!
From the limited stuff I’ve read about Sexton, it didn’t sound like he wanted to be traded either.
Gotta say, this is one of the weirdest off-seasons, and yet most interesting ones, in a long time. Lol
Let’s be honest, if they wanted to keep Sexton, he’d already have a contract. They’re in 2 minds, give him an extension or let him go. I am a big fan of him but I’ve said in the past I just don’t see them committing to both him and Garland. Both offensive ball dominant with poor defence, to compete I don’t see both working.
I can’t see the Cavs turning away from the players like Rose, Fournier who can both be strong role players on that team if they want ready to win players(which I think is far too soon for them to be legit challengers anyway).
But with regard to Knicks with either Mitchell or Sexton. The lack of D and overall firepower they’ll be play in at best. So why sell the farm? Just a silly move.
Just to justify, are a Knicks with Mitchell better than Bucks, Cavs, Celtics, Bulls, Hawks, 76ers, Heat, raptors? Even Hornets? And if they move for this, it’s a fair bet Pistons will be on their way with their strong young core. Draft night my first thought was they’re tanking for Wembey but now they’re back to their old tricks.
Yes yes yes!!!!!
I think Golden State just proved a superior offensive team can beat a superior defensive team….not sure why the preaching about lack of defense comes up so much…you will have 3 20 point scorers in the starting 5 if Randle stays with the team…and if they can’t dump Fournier there’s another 15-20 point guy as your sixth man….depending on how the rest of the pieces shake out this is at worst a 6 seed in the East…maybe better if Brooklyn blows up
GS aren’t bad defensive. Green is one of the best defenders in the league and Wiggins put in a 2 way shift in the finals. Along with the fact they got Klay back who is a good defender that makes 3 of their starting five good defenders.
None of the Knicks starting 5 are good or even average defenders. So although I agree GS aren’t elite on defence they still have a good defensive team. Ratings or not. So yes defence wins chips. RJ is okay but that’s about it. They’re not even play off calibre if they’re given Mitchell for free let alone after giving up their best asset in RJ. The team just isn’t good enough. It’s just another rash move.
Mitchell Robinson begs to differ
Granted he’ll have to avg 15 blocks a game to make up for the other 4 lol
@Mokak You’re 100% I stand corrected. I like Robinson. But he won’t make them a playoff team on his own.
Exactly. Golden State IS a good defensive team. Just one with a high octane offense.
Golden State is one of the best defensive teams in the NBA…
Should’ve drafted him when you had the chance. Now you have to gut the team to get him. Smfh. The Knicks man…
Common reasoning but also rubbish.
You roll the dice and take your chances.
Others passed on him too.
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I see a little bit of Damian Lillard in Donovan Mitchell. He has the mindset though he’s not as accomplished of course. Lillard is a top-notch game winner clutch stud. But I think Mitchell has the skills and desire and tenacity to be that guy. So what the Knicks want is a younger version who’s ready to do big things.
Good comp. I wouldn’t break the bank for either, although I sooner do it for Mitchell. Age and greater physical presence. DL’s only advantage other than pedigree (looking backwards) is he can handle PG duties. Still, DM and DL are both principally scorers, who need or at least seek volume. Both have modest facilitation skills, and an aversion to playing defense. Guys with this skill set have zero history of carrying a teams to titles.
Right! Perfect recent example is the Blazers when they had two of these guys.
Gary, Mccollum did not have the opportunity to be the PG/facillitator/tonesetter without stepping on Lillard’s toes. He played 2G and deferred perhaps too willingly.
He showed more with NOLA!
I suppose you’re right in how it went IRL.
Yes when they were both on the floor together. But when Damian Lillard sat or was hurt, McCollum was the guy and fit DXC description above.
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This is the right move for the Knicks as long as Barrett is out of the trade.
If Im the Knicks I would demand that Gobbert would be a part of any deal along with Mitchell. Knicks need a lot more help then just Mitchell who I dont even think is that great. Gobbert is a heck of a defensive player would help NY tremendously.
Um…Gobert is not on the Jazz anymore.
I think it’s possible you don’t follow the NBA very closely.
Candidate for concussion protocol.
There’s no point in trading RJ in a Mitchell deal.
Fournier is the most likely contract to be included. So Toppin, Quickley, Grimes, and 5 1sts is probably about right. 1 of those is to dump Fournier. And the 3 young players are not super prospects.
That’s the type of return that at least gets the convo started. Maybe they want D Rose instead, cheaper, fewer years. Easier to repackage and trade. A better name for Jazz fans.
I can see Daniel also trading for Hayward if he can get a 1st out of it. Conley for Hayward and a 1st.
Also wouldn’t be shocked if Bogdan, Clarkson, and Gay went to LAL for Westbrook and 2 firsts if the Kyrie deal goes south.
Pat Bev and Beasley can’t be combined in any trade with multiple players from Utah, so you’re looking at small deals for those guys if they are dealt.
The Utah Thunder are wheeling and dealing till it’s all gone.
Utah wants Grimes, so can set aside Barrett.
I really hope the Knicks don’t sign mitchel him and Brunson backcourt would be a disaster in defense . Rather keep building and look for other opportunities down the line . Would love for RJB to stick with the knicks long term and see how he develops.
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Mitchell is leaving the Jazz ……
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RJ can not be part of this.
Grimes, Quickley, Mitch (if we can), Randle to a third team. And more picks to Utah. Knicks can add 4 #1 picks ……
RJ, Toppin, Mitchell, Brunson gotta be the foundation.
Unfortunately it looks like Randle is trying to make amends. So Toppin could be included. Personally I’m done with Randle. He can’t handle NY.
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