5:50pm: Curry has been declared out for Game 5, Anthony Slater of The Athletic tweets.
8:22am: The Warriors are facing a 3-1 deficit in their second-round series against Minnesota after dropping Game 4 on Monday night.
Star guard Stephen Curry, who sustained a Grade 1 left hamstring strain in Game 1 against the Wolves, told Marc J. Spears of Andscape that he does not expect to play in Wednesday’s Game 5 with Golden State on the brink of elimination (Twitter link).
“Even if I wanted to be Superman, I couldn’t,” Curry said.
As Ohm Youngmisuk of ESPN writes, the two-time MVP was referring to a comment made by Draymond Green after Monday’s loss.
“No, we’re not going to Superman this thing,” Green said when asked if he expects Curry to try to push to come back, and if so, would Green be a part of that conversation. “If he’s in a place where he can play, I’m sure he will. Him and Rick (Celebrini, Warriors vice president of player health and performance) and everybody will figure that out. But we don’t need (Curry to try to be) Superman.
“Got to play the long game. If he can, we know he will. But there’s no pressure. We’ve got to figure out how to win whether he plays or not.”
Curry is set to be reevaluated on Wednesday after initially sustaining the injury on May 6. He suggested last week that he was unlikely to play in Game 5, with a subsequent report from ESPN’s Shams Charania stating that the Warriors viewed a possible Game 6 as “the earliest potential window” for Curry to resume playing.
Due to a scheduling quirk, Golden State would have three days off between Game 5 and Game 6, which is tentatively scheduled for Sunday. Of course, that best-case scenario would require the Warriors to win on Wednesday in Minnesota.
As for Game 4, the Warriors were largely undone by a poor third quarter which saw Minnesota break open the tight game and build a large lead following a 17-0 run. According to Youngmisuk, Green said Jimmy Butler was feeling under the weather on Monday after the star forward managed just 13 points on nine field goal attempts. Butler had 33 points on 26 shots in Game 3.
“We obviously need him shooting the ball,” Green said of Butler. “But their defense, they were collapsing on him today. So, we tried to pick up that slack. But I know he’s not feeling well; been pretty crappy all day. That also affects the energy, as well. No excuses made here.
“I think that’s on me. I’ve got to find a way to get him into more positions to score. I think tonight, I was just trying to get him the ball, and I don’t think I got him the ball in good spots, which then allowed the defense to load up on him. So, I’ve got to do a better job of getting him the ball in better spots to where it’s not as easy for the defense to key on him.”
Even if they somehow win game 5, he’s also unlikely to play game 6.
It was a good season, but hamstrings take longer than a week to heal.
Hamstrings are tough to come back from. Even during season. And time is what they need most. Didn’t think he’d make it back. Gm3 was the game they had. Missed like 5 layups late in 4th Q.
Thunder-TimberWolves
Knicks-Pacers
You know that’s not how the NBA wanted this to turn out.
Why wouldn’t they want it to turn out this way? If they can’t have the Lakers or the Celtics the Knicks are the next best thing as far as viewers goes.
The NBA also needs some fresh faces. Steph and LeBron aren’t gonna be in the league much longer. Anthony Edwards, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Jalen Brunson are three of the most marketable and charismatic stars in the league that aren’t LeBron or Curry.
Well, obviously because three of the four teams are small markets, which hurts numbers.
Why would they want the “next best thing?” Lol. They want the best thing. That’s the point.
> Why wouldn’t they want it to turn out this way?
Money. Ad, subscription, and streaming revenue are about audience size. The NBA will always make more of it when the large market teams go far, and make less of it when the small market teams do.
The NBA will love seeing the Knicks in the Championship Series. OKC, Indy, and Minny are all small markets. Anthony Edwards and SGA aren’t as valuable to the NBA as the size of the finalists’ audience.
Big market teams definitely add to the dollars. But overseas they want see a good series. The best teams. True fans here want to see best teams.
In the immediate term, correct on viewership numbers. In the long term, however, the league benefits more from a fresh batch of stars to market and monetize. I bet they’re excited that Ant and SGA are still playing to get that national exposure.
The NBA, and every major sport, always would prefer for their large market teams to advance because it means more money for them. A Minnesota-Indianapolis championship series might set a record for low viewership.
I had no idea this was new information to so many people.
> In the immediate term, correct on viewership
> numbers. In the long term, however, the league
> benefits more from a fresh batch of stars to market
> and monetize.
Midrange- I’m curious if you have any data to support that model? In any pro sport, team success drives more value than individual player recognition does. (Ideally, you’d want both, of course.)
The most economic value is generated when the best known teams (defined by their past success and market size) meet. Winning Chips is an absolute requirement for individual players to expand Curry, LeBron, Shaq, Kobe, and Magic are enduring global brands because they won Championships
Far below that is an ever-rolling cast of exciting players that never win a ‘Chip — Russell Westbrook, Dwight Howard, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, etc. They drive little interest by comparison.
Superstars on small market teams that don’t win championships generate little economic value by comparison. Exciting players like Dwight Howard, Russell Westbrook, Allen Iverson
neither SGA nor Edwards are especially marketable
The NBA markets their stars more than their teams. The NBA focuses on their stars more than the other leagues because individual stars impact winning in the NBA more than in the other leagues. In order for SGA/Ant to graduate past “superstar on small market team that hasn’t won a championship” of course they need to still be playing in the WCF. Simple point, didn’t think it was very controversial.
Separately, you’re just wrong on Ant not being marketable. Adam Sandler agrees with me. Your take kind of proves my point tho – you clearly haven’t been exposed much to his on-court dominance and off-court charisma. Watch this next MIN-OKC series and get back to me.
Midrange, What you are missing is how WIDE THE GAP is in economic value between, one, the small number of established global brands with STAYING POWER like Steph, LeBron, Shaq, and MJ and, two, the next tier. The lower tier is MOUSE NUTS by comparison.
Go to India or China (the fastest growing market to see how the NBA is marketed. It’s the 90/10 rule: the established, enduring brands get the vast majority of marketing dollars, and the rest are on a the long tail. That’s the scale where “marketability” is defined.
Ant and SGA have the POTENTIAL to be highly marketable. Any NBA fan knows that Ant checks all the boxes in that regard. But, you acknowledge, it takes WINNING ‘CHIPS to get to the next tier. And, the laws of probability make it UNLIKELY that any young player, no matter how charismatic or individually accomplished gets to the next level. Most
At this moment, Ant is where Dominique Wilkins was in 1990, or (at the time, the hyper-charismatic) Dwight Howard was in 2008, or Westbrook in 2017, or Ja Morant in 2022. Those guys had advertising campaings for national brands, television spots, etc.
Winning a ‘Chip or two would elevate Ant or SGA. But until then, they are not “highly marketable” in the big picture.
So my original point was simply that the NBA is happy that Ant is still playing, as he seems to be the heir to the throne and could get a ring to elevate him to the next tier.
You can’t have it both ways. Every superstar was once a potential star without a championship. Again, I’m sure the League is happy that Ant/SGA have a chance to elevate their status for future marketability. If Ant wins a ring and becomes the face of the League, then that certainly is more valuable than a few weeks of decreased viewership.
@Midrange:
> “If Ant wins a ring and becomes the face of the League, then
> that certainly is more valuable than a few weeks of decreased
> viewership.”
That’s counter to the cardinal rule in marketing for all pro team sports: attention is driven by, in order: market size, recent team success, and, last, individual players.
Although valuable to the league to have Edwards take a step up, it’s vastly less valuable than having the Knicks (or Lakers or Warriors) in the Championship series. Nothing drives overall economic value, even for those teams not participating, as much as the success of the large market teams.
The have-not Timberwolves franchise is worth $3.5 Bilion because it participates in the revenues generated by the larger-market NBA teams. If not, they’d be worth $1.5 Billion.
The fan interest is highest when the large market teams dominate year-to-year. That’s the basis for the conspiracy theories (which I don’t subscribe to) about the rigged NBA draft, about Luka Donkics being moved to the Lakers, and about crooked refereeing favoring big market teams. All may be untrue, but they make business sense.
Yeah they want Edwards to beat curry. Passing the mantle as it were.
Kerr been leaning way too much on Curry’s greatness. The team is built on ONLY Curry and now with him injured they look like a lottery team. The offense can’t function without Curry so you are left with a bunch of average players standing around waiting for Curry.
Butler is a great player, but at this point in his career, he isn’t viable as the number one guy carrying the team, as he proved in Miami,
It came out he was sick yesterday. Still he can’t win it all just by himself. Kerr whole offense is getting Curry open so without Curry you have players notknowing what to do.
Sick yesterday. That’s what you signed up for. A pretty good player who misses a lot of games. Not a huge surprise.
No one player can win it ….. never.
What Jimmy did fot GS. Still proves he is elite. All of you still don’t understand his impact on the team and game. This is a 2way sport. Warriors have been winning with D more than offense.
Nothing against Butler but the team was built on Curry and now Butler is getting no help from anyone but Kuminga.
“Leaning way too much” = refusing to build any type of tangible offense without him.
If Pop is gone, Kerr gotta go too. Kerr is so bad at his job it’s just embarrassing.
Teams has adjusted against Kerr’s offense. Problem is Kerr is too stubborn to change. Without Curry the warriors are nota good tea. Kerr needs to coach not just do the same thing over and over.
No one has asked him why he is so against playing tall players in the NBA. He is obsessed with playing 4-5 guys under 6’6″ and everyone knows it and everyone knows how to beat it.
GP2 is a fan fave, but paired with Kerr, he is a not a good player. His best use is short bursts, but Kerr gives him starter minutes and we lose almost EVERY damn time because of it. Looney isn’t a fit either.
Glad both will be gone soon, hopefully along with Kerr, who is old, washed, and cant win in this league anymore, even with an all-timer. GSW needs 7 footers.
Payton is a bench player who should only be used against certain teams. Edwards and Randal are too big for him to guard. Looney brings only rebounding. Why not play Post even though his defense is not great at least it gives a 3 pt shooter on the floor to spread out the defense. How can Kerr not notice the T-wolves are ONLY guarding the good shooters and not Green or Payton.
Exactly, arc, I agree.
If one is a regular user of basketball-reference, just compare these two players off stats alone and ask why would ANY NBA HC suddenly decide one is a must-play and the other is not:
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It’s literally because one is 6’8″ and the other is 6’2″ and Kerr MUST play the shorter player, also Kerr doesn’t even use a normal 1-5 lineup ever, so it really is “play my shortest guys” with Kerr. Why?
Kerr has lost his damn mind.
DaveyJ,
We may (finally) see a broader awareness of Payton’s negative impact because it’s starting to get more coverage nationally. I mentioned some analysis I got from another board in a message below, but in case you missed it:
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No player averaging more than 16 mins per game in an NBA playoffs for the last 5 years has been as bad as GP2 has been in this series.
Over 4 games, GP2 has averaged 20 mins and 2.7 pts and 2 rebounds. Offensively, Minnesota ignores him completely — not just beyond the arc, but anywhere on the floor. In 4 games, he has 2 baskets from inside the arc. In the 3 games without Steph, he’s scored 2 times.
The bigger problem is GP2’s 3-point defense, or lack thereof. GP2 is a great PoA defender, but he is too short to defend the 3, and Edwards and the Wolves are torching him.
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@aristotle
Again, this is 100% Kerr picking GP2 over Gui Santos and TJD because he is simply, a short guy, like Kerr was. Kerr’s ego is massive. He truly believes he won those titles, not MJ, TD or Steph. He is massively delusional, as with Steph, he was a net negative to the team. Theres dozens of HC’s (Kenny A) who could have changed this team to win even more. GSW culture and homers see the titles and therefore refrain from criticism, but there are plenty criticisms of Kerr.
I do find it bizarre that Kerr would lean into defense and rebounding down his generational scorer and shooter. Maybe I could understand it if the Warriors were flush with offense or the players he leaned on were transformational defensively, but not with this cast of players.
I think stubbornness is an issue you will find most head coaches afflicted by. Sometimes stubbornness is a good thing—you shouldn’t change your beliefs every time you would be questioned or challenged by new information—but it can also signal an inability to adapt or, more aptly, an inability to know when and how to adapt. And it feels like only the elite head coaches are the ones who, while imperfect, do this sufficiently well (though the non-elites can still bring other good qualities to the table).
The playoffs is all about match ups and changing lineups to counter another team’s ability to adapt to your style. Right now Finch knows his style is working against Kerr’s style so why would they adjust? In the second half they adjusted to shooting 3s and seeking out the smaller defenders. They only guarded Butler and Heild. Forced the ball out of Podz’s hands. Kerr did not 1 adjustment in the second half.
“is all about match ups and changing lineups”
What is there to change? This is your line up. This line up got you here, beating the rockets. But you are facing now a better roster. That’s just it.
SMH basketball is like a chess you need to match up players to see how they will do. Problem is the warriors lost their best player that the team is built around. T-wolves are facing a much less talented team than the Rockets faced. Rockets would have beat the warriors if Curry didn’t play
You know what that’s about. When he won with Wiggins. He went small with depth . He thinks he can tire teams out. Plus playing 10-12 guys means someone is shooting well. He went with numbers and ball movement. Except in playoffs the game always slows down. And when you lose two of best shooters ever. Curry, Clay…. the offense is not the same. Buddy is not Clay. I think Jimmy is great for Dra and Steph. Kerr has to add bigs. Stretch 4 and stretch 5. Warriors with Jimmy could get another 2 yr run
The entire team is built around Curry which was not the smartest thing Kerr could do. Now they have to learn in the playoffs how to win without their best player.
He is an older player, would be dumb to come back less than 100%
That could jeopardize next season.
Nah its just a hamstring, if the worst happens, then he is out 3 months.
They all kept bragging and said “wait for Playoff Jimmy to take over”.
9 FGA in a must win game without Curry.
More like Cancun Jimmy
Wolves in 5.
Sorry for the OG warriors fans but I saw this version of Jimmy Butler personally and he takes games and I feel bad for you guys bc Kuminga really has stepped up last two games.
Yeah, I knew at some point their turn around was going to slow down. Before the Jimmy trade, they looked at best, a 38 win team. The FO didn’t feel like the back half of the draft was going to move the needle. Still, glad they made the trade.
Its time for the warriors to do a massive over haul of the team. Age has caught up to the warriors they look very slow out there. I would put everyone on the trading block. Expecially these 1 demensional players they have. Its time to cut the chord on Payton, Looney, and Green. Same old offensive plays that every team knows the warriors will run. Need some 2 way players that the warriors lack.
Arc I don’t see any high upside trade value outside of Kuminga on that roster.
There is some value but many of them is not going to bring back more than draft picks. Green has value if a team is looking for defense. Looney and Payton should not be resigned. Butler has value if they trade him. i would trade TJD if a team offer a couple 2nd rounders for him. Dunleavy needs to think outside the box and explore foreign players. I am hoping Kerr retires because the league has adjusted against his coaching style and they need some young blood to coach the team.
Uhh…I guess you haven’t noticed. Post is from Belgium. They signed Armstrong, after rave reviews from Bogut, who is from Australia. Dunleavy is a step ahead of you.
I see them moving on from Payton. He was looking at coaching jobs before the Warriors signed him 3 years ago. I’d keep Loon as defense off the bench, but at a lower salary. I definitely wouldn’t send Green packing. People only see his volatility. But, he is a stabilizing force. How do you think Butler was able mesh with the team so quickly. Jimmy said he was grateful for Green. I think he could be good for other young players that come along.
Green’s passing this year has been terrible. Kerr needs to talk to him about it. Warriors need a back up PG which they lacked all year. Somebody who drives the ball into the basket. They also need a 7 footer that plays defense and rebounds. Kerr needs to change or the warriors will be the same team struggling to find offense.
Melton is a PG. They could probably get him cheap.
Green has the second most assists of any PF in NBA history. He is about 100 away from passing Karl Malone. Didn’t he play until he was 40. Green is like 34. Draymond is probably talking to himself.
The guys at GSOM looked it a couple of years ago. There were like 5 7-footers in the NBA that played any substantial minutes. A 7-footer who rebounds and plays defense is kinda like a Unicorn.
Green’s passing has been terrible this year. Curry and Green both are in the top TO stats. The warriors need a PG to run the show. One reason the warriors struggled in 3rd quarter you had Green and Payton on the floor at the same time. So that leaves 3 players who are offensive so T-wolves were able to double team the 3 other players.
Butler needs the Warriors as much as the Warriors need Butler. He has never been able to create his own shots. Some other successful player has always been on the floor next to him for all his best performances.
He’s very good at making use of the space someone else creates.
Sounds like the perfect sidekick to Steph Curry? I think they already called them Batman and Robin.
Yes. I think they will make a great combination next year. But I think in this next game without Curry, fans will be disappointed.
There is not a lot around Butler right now. Podz has stunk in the playoffs. Heild is OK but struggles against good defense. Green is a streaky shooter. Payton is just terrible. Kumoinga is the only offensive player he has played next to this series.
Jimmy missed like 4 layups. Warriors missed like 7 layups in gm3 in 4Q. That one got away.
Barring a miracle, it is over. But, I feel good about the season. It could have been worse.
The Jimmy trade was the right thing to do. I think JK stays. He probably followed Kerr’s advice and watched film of Butler. And, he and Draymond started mentoring JK. He needs to work on his 3-point and FT shooting. It’ll only help him do what he does best. Teams can’t layoff him. And when drives to the basket, he can draw those fouls and make them pay from the line.
Although Podz had a sucky postseason, he built on his rookie season. Maybe the pressure of being in the playoffs for the 1st led him to putting to much pressure on himself, like how he started out the season.
Post was spectacular. He went from a #52nd pick on a 2-way contract to playing in 41 games at 14 minutes a game. He has some things to work on, but what rookie doesn’t. And people say Kerr won’t play a 7-footer…
And Trayce had a nice couple of games against the Bucks. He was in the doghouse at the beginning of the season.
With the possible breakup off the Bucks, maybe they can lure in Portis or Lopez. Melton was a good fit before he went down. There are a few bigs in draft, near where they’ll be drafting, that look like fits.
Melton is the only one of those worth getting. Lopez is done and too costly to lure him back. Portis is just looking slow. Unless Kerr start trusting his young players I don’t see the team as more than a play in team. Could be a lottery team easily if injuries happen. Benching their best 3 pt shooter when nobody else can shoot a 3 is a mistake. Post should be out there in game 5.
I wasn’t talking about playing Lopez 32 minutes for 80 games. 15 minutes a night and mentoring Post would be perfect. Veteran players have taken pay cuts for one last shot. Post needs to work on his defense.
I don’t see Lopez signing a minimum deal which what it would take to get him. My guess is he will retire than play for very little.
David West turned down 8 figures to sign with the Warriors for the minimum to chase a ring.
Warriors are not a top 8 team anymore so Lopez would go to a team with a better chance at winning.
You’ll have the tax payer MLE which is around 5 mill
Can possibly get Lopez or Capella for that, No on Portis he will probably recive near the full MLE somewhere
I think GSW will have to look to the trade market
Perhaps Claxton from Brk with Kuminga going the other way
Nets can sign Kuminga out right. No need to trade for him. And they are only going after polished free agents.
Yes but Claxton would be for the picks and JK just procedural while providing the necessary match
Technically Brk cant do anything with JK but offer him offers and they would have to tie up there money for the first crucial 72 hrs of free agency to do so (not ideal whatsoever for Brk)
This makes it a lot smoother for Brk if they value the picks GSW would present for Claxton…or maybe Cam….
If steph was healthy gs would be title faves considering c’s & cavs imploding
My guess is indy & okc at this point
I am ok with Curry not playing rest of the season. It would have merely delayed the inevitable for the conference finals. I’m still grateful to you, Ant and company, for what you did in the first round. Now put us to bed Wednesday night, Wolves, and hopefully Dub Nation begins to have pleasant dreams of Giannis finally wearing blue and yellow next season and re-enacting 10-times-over that bounce-pass alley-oop he and Steph stunned the basketball world with in the All-Star game some years back.
I’m embarrassed to read some of these comments calling it a finished season and that it’s over.
And people wonder why they call us “Warriors bandwagon fans” lol.
It’s not over. There’s a game to be played Wednesday. All the Warriors need is for a few things to go their way.
Hasn’t anyone seen they’ve been in most of these games? Game three and game four were winnable if the chips fell in the right place for the Warriors.
Buddy had a career game or two recently we need him to do that again. A So so game won’t cut it.
How about Gary Payton shooting threes from the corner and making a few more?
But the reality is if Podski shot well, this series would be far from over. He’s pulling a Klay and it’s costing the team.
He needs to get his rump in gear and pick it up a notch. He shot the ball so well just a month ago. We need him to do it again.
This is not over. All you bandwagon fans who jump ship before the series is even over and looking for a new ship with new players and next year are frankly embarrassing.
I wouldn’t bet on the Warriors winning the series but I haven’t been impressed with the Wolves. So, yeah, if the Warriors can get more typical contributions from some of their role players who have struggled (a big if) the Wolves are quite capable of giving the series away.
Yeah, that’s a good point though unlikely. But some of these guys here are already talking about next season. Ridiculous and embarrassing.
It takes 4 wins to move on. Nobody in this series between the wolves and the Warriors has 4 wins yet.
We just need buddy to get hot and for Podski to make a few threes… seven of them in the next game would be very convenient timing !!
Gary I already called the season over a week or so ago and you told me to have faith…and now we are down 1-3.
The Wolves have ZERO playoff aura, its annoying that they keep winning these games, they aren’t really grabbing the game by its neck and winning, its more like “watching GSW miss like 20 layups and thats game”.
Yeah, I just hope Podz, Moody, Hield and Post aren’t just a collective zero in the next game. It’s pretty startling that their slump or whatever it is has really seem to have shaken their confidence.
Podz and Moody’s shots have both become technically bad, something has been knocked off with how their form is, and the results show this. Both guys shot very well at other points in the season, they aren’t those guys right now.
“Bandwagon fan” my stiff neck! (I didn’t want to refer to the usual body part we tend to use in that phrase due to this being a family-oriented chatboard. I hope you get the point here). It’s called being a realist, GaryRedSoxxWarriors. It doesn’t have anything to do with fair weather fandom/bandwagon tendencies/leave-in-the-3rd quarter-to-beat-the-crowds sports-fan lightweights. I’m assuming you saw what I saw last night: a group of players, minus their #1 guy, who know they are not as good as their opponent. We needed to see incremental improvements with this Steph-less group, and we got that from Game 2 to Game 3. But make no mistake about it: Game 4 was a regression, Gary. If they had lost on a buzzer-beater by Ant, say, that would have been tough to swallow, yeah – but at least the Dubs would have PROgressed instead of REgressed in their efforts to extend the series long enough for a possible Steph return. It didn’t happen. They looked like a team that knows their fate and they all appeared ok with calling it a season. That’s why I’m doubtful for Wednesday. I’m a realist.
Realist? Lol. !!!
The series is 3-1, not 4-1. That’s reality.
You’re projecting and I’m not saying you’re wrong. I am saying it’s not over yet.
In fact, I think you’re probably right. The Warriors will lose on Wednesday.
But it’s not Wednesday yet !! Let’s claw and crawl and work to make sure that doesn’t happen to the best of our ability if we’re the Warriors players. That’s my mindset as a fan.
Bandwagon fans are already jumping off the ship and it hasn’t even sunk yet lol !!
Get a bucket and start bailing water.., do something. That’s the mindset.
When it’s over it’s over. Congratulations to the wolves, but it’s not over yet.
I think his point was fans can be realistic in a day/a couple of days after the Warriors are eliminated, at which point there will be an entire summer to dissect the myriad issues. There’s a fine line between lamenting a team’s current issues vs essentially giving up entirely to the point where it’s almost like what’s the point in being a fan with such a defeatist attitude? You cheer on your team until the final bell, even if you wouldn’t feel good about their chances in the back of your mind. And it’s not like the Warriors have been getting blown out these last couple of games without Curry.
Frankly, I find it a bit strange that fans hope and, in some cases, demand players to keep a series going, yet have already given up on them themselves. How can you expect the players to keep competing with 100% heart and effort when you wouldn’t show that same level of faith? And don’t think players cannot sense or feel that. That’s not to say constructive criticism is a bad thing, but there’s a point where it just becomes doomer talk for the sake of doomer talk in the middle of the playoffs. And I can understand it being tiresome to some because you will see it everywhere in circumstances such as these.
The problem is Kerr running the same offense like Curry is still out there. Unless Kerr changes his stubborness and play the young players that are motivated the same out come will happen. The older players look burned out. Twice now the bench has come in and played better. Start out game 5 with the bench players sinc ether is nothing to lose. Kerr is getting out coached because he is unwilling to change.
Yes, arc, it’s definitely happened in this post season where the bench came in on a blowout and 7 minutes later you look to the sidelines and you see the starters getting their sneakers tied up again.
Warriors bench crew are fighters and don’t give up.
The bench has more energy. The startersare burned out from the Rocket series. Whyisn’t Snatos and Post playing? Put in Knox for instant offense.
That starting lineup with TJD stunk in G4 so of course idiot Kerr runs it back in G5 to the same result. Im so glad this “nba legend with 9 rings” is our coach!!!
Watch TJD on offense. Nobody guards him. Hestands around and occasionally go to the basket. Heis like Payton only stalls out the offense. Unless he can develope a shot he will never be more than a 15th guy off the bench.
I will say these playoffs did a LOT in developing Gui, Knox, Pat and TJD, and Moody and Post also learnt a lot. Next year will be a good one if they replace GP2 with Melton and Looney with a 7 footer. They can also blow it all up to get KD or Giannis. Lots of options, but it sucks I have lost 100% faith in this team winning without Steph Curry.
Warriors also need a PG that can drive to the basket. They also need a 3pt shooting expert. With Curry out nobody is shooting 3s. i will be glad to see Payton no offense gone. Also tradeTJD while he still has value.
Oh, STFU Gary. Where were you when I was getting ridiculed for thinking the Warriors could get to the WCF, even if they started out as a playin team. I kept saying how they could beat OKC, Houston and Minnesota. I’m not so sure about Denver. I kept going out it on here with other posters.
You have to admit that the Warriors had to dig themselves out of huge hole to get here. Probably more than most teams can do.
Payton is not an offensive savior. Heild is inconsistent. I don’t think you want to kick Podz butt. He was doing that at the beginning of the season and he struggled.
Of course, I don’t think the T-wolves will shoot 50% from 3-point land again. Remember when Jimmy returned to Miami. The Heat shot an otherworldly 60%.
Anything can happen in the playoffs. They just have a very narrow windows.
And what is wrong with me looking at next season. I have been looking at possible FA and the draft. Dunleavy is. Why do you Knox and Armstrong are on the roster? I keep looking at bigs in the draft. There might be a couple that can help them out.
Giant i’ve always supported your comments. I give you thumbs up quite often. I’ve even specifically written that I think you have good basketball knowledge and post good comments.
But that’s OK. You can bite back. I called everyone out who is finished with the season today.
The fact is most people here don’t think the Warriors play on Wednesday lol
I’m calling you all out as bandwagon fans who have jumped ship while we’re still afloat and busy with our buckets bailing water.
You’re on the beach and we’re still on the ship keeping it a float while it is afloat.
If it sinks tomorrow, we’re all on the beach, but it’s not sunk yet !!
I realized something today, and kinda explains my comment. I grew up following baseball. You look at teams and players differently. I don’t know how good Cooper Flagg in comparison to historical players, but he’ll be starting for the Mavericks next season. Juan Soto, who is putting up other worldly numbers, went through the minors at supersonic speed in 3 years. You learn to take the long view.
To me, the Warriors are much better than they were last season. This postseason experience is probably really good for guys like Post and Podz. Knox could be a great offensive weapon in the future. Bogut raved about Armstrong as a PG. So basically, I’m looking at how the to is growing. I don’t think they should blow it up. The one-and-done philosophy is bad for basketball.
Gary- great post. It ain’t over, we have a real shot in Game 5. But, only if Kerr makes the obvious coaching adjustments.
The last 2 games, the team has played well for the majority of the game before collapsing. We were up by 7 halfway through the 4th quarter in Game 3, and we were before last night’s collapse late in the 3rd quarter with a sick Jimmy.
Kerr has to acknowledge the elephant in the room: GP2 has been appallingly bad through this series. No player averaging more than 16 mins per game in an NBA playoffs for the last 5 years has been as bad as GP2 has been in this series.
Over 4 games, GP2 has averaged 20 mins and 2.7 pts and 2 rebounds. Offensively, Minnesota ignores him completely — not just beyond the arc, but anywhere on the floor. In 4 games, he has 2 baskets from inside the arc. In the 3 games without Steph, he’s scored 2 times.
But the bigger problem is GP2’s 3 point defensive, or lack thereof. GP2 is a great on-ball defender, but he is too short to defend the 3, and Edwards and the Wolves are torching him.
Replacing GP2 with any of Moody, Santos, or Post will help us defensively and offensively, especially, freeing Butler from double-teams.
I’m not ok with Curry not playing. It’s win or go home and he has a hamstring injury. If the worst happens, he tears it and he’s out 3 months, who cares?
Also: how many Dub Nation posters on here said over and over “we gotta get a 7 footer at the deadline” and we didn’t? And now look at the team, it’s literally missing a single 7 footer who can guard the lane and play defense. This team needs its Bogut but MDJ failed at the deadline to find one, instead leaving Kerr and his 7 rotation regulars who are under 6’6″ to get smoked by taller players.
“I’m not ok with Curry not playing. It’s win or go home and he has a hamstring injury. If the worst happens, he tears it and he’s out 3 months, who cares?”…You are a selfish Davey. That is me being kind. I wanted to say worst things. Younger players have lost whole seasons coming back to soon from the same injury. Do you really want Curry to play until he is 50? Rushing back to quickly could end it well before he hits 40.
He really is the definition of “negative energy.”
He wants Curry to potentially never play again.
Down 3-1. Won next 2. But came up short in game 7. Houston Rockets? Only diff is GSW wins game 7. Doesnt happen often–very rare–but it has happened. 2012 SF Giants. Baseball is different I know, but….. BTW, the poster saying Curry should play and risk tearing the hammy, saying so what if he’s down for 3 months? Why respond to him? He clearly shows he’s incompetent.
My goodness this turned south real quick. Reading some of these comments and ya’ll turned on each other lol.
Just brothers bickering among ourselves. We’re a normal family lol
What do you expect raz, we’re down 3-1? If Little Johnny says the wrong thing I’m gonna start pulling his hair and throwing sand at him at the playground lol.
Gary, Must be nice having to watch a team in the actual playoffs, and not a hand out spot. Lol
It’s time to call a spade a spade. This team wasn’t good enough to contend and be in the spot it is at currently. Yes, the Butler deal rejuvenated them and they rode that trade all the way to round 2. However, the lack of size, the lack of athleticism and like Arc mentioned previously, lack of a backup PG has really hurt this team’s chances. Minnesota is doing barely enough to get by, but that same notion…GSW is facing a far superior opponent in Minnesota compared to the offensively challenged Houston Rockets. Watching Houston play offense against GSW was unbearable. At times I did not know what they were doing at all. Now with Minnesota, I see more P&R and more dribble drives and kick outs. Golden State cannot close out to every shooter. Next year will be a big one with MDJ in charge. They don’t possess their own 1st this year and they have a middle 2nd rounder. Cap wise I expect Looney and GP2 to let go. Moses Moody and Buddy Hield are the same player, except Hield can carry a team (in spurts). I’d try to unload his contract to get a quality big man. They put themselves in this position because of the loyalty they wanted to display to Curry but also rewarded Jimmy Butler on a deal that no other team was willing to meet the price on. Think about it, no other team wanted to extend him at the rate he was asking for besides GSW. That screamed desperation. Yeah, you got Wiggins off the books and Kyle Anderson but at what cost? Nobody is going to want Draymond for the headaches he causes. I’m sorry but he is not 27 year old Draymond, he is 35 now and he is at the end of his career. You likely have him on your roster next year and then decline his option for 2026-27 at $27.6M. They will still be relevant because of Steph’s greatness and competitive drive but this team lacks severe talent, athleticism, bigs, and youth. No matter how hard you try to convince yourself Quinten Post will not be anything more than a capable big man in this league. Same goes with Moses Moody and Pods who are certified role players. Best hope is you bring back JK and hope he plays like a man possessed next year, allowing Butler and Curry to reduce some minutes and have them fresh this time next year.
That’s quite an assessment of the Warriors. I don’t think it’s as bad as you paint it.
They are in fact part of the final four in the west. Whether it’s luck, timely shooting or favorable opponent, They’re still there.
That’s not bad if you consider the Lakers, the Clippers, the Rockets are at home. Many had those three teams advancing.
I think your comments on Jimmy are off base. Phoenix was ready to bring in Jimmy Butler and pay him. They would’ve shipped KD out of town to facilitate the move. I thought you knew that?
And in my opinion, Jimmy has been a godsend. He brought the team back to life and relevance. Warriors fans got excited again. Warriors were a .500 team and then everything changed.
But as far as the rest of what you write, yeah unfortunately they’ve got a lot of dead weight. Hopefully Dunleavy can turn deadweight into life and do it quick.
I think they have potential next year also. Curry absolutely played at a high-level this year, and Greymond surprised me with his three-point shooting in the playoffs. I think he still has it as a player, not so much with his emotion.
I’d prefer to trade him out, but if there’s no takers, we run it back with the big three, plus hopefully improved reinforcements.
But don’t ask me about this stuff until Thursday or even Monday ha ha
That’s right I forgot Phoenix was willing to pay him with an enormous extension. Butler is what he has always been, he is good but not great. People hyped him as this franchise player because he led Miami to 2 NBA Finals appearances. Unless he goes for 40+ next 3 games, you’ll see that his passion is game to game and so is his aggressiveness. 9 FGA in a must win game is atrocious to me when you are making $54M.
He turned our team around. That much is sure.
Warriors were done. Now we’re in the Conf semis and still alive.
Let’s see what happens tomorrow night.
Sorry raz. I have to differ with you on a few things. The Butler trade didn’t rejuvenate the Warriors. Through the 1st 15 games the Warriors were 3rd in offense. But after Melton went down, they had no outside shooting, besides Curry. By the time of trade, they were at #17. They had a point differential of like +1. Teams were double and triple teaming Curry. Butler freed up Curry, and the point differential went to +9. They knew they needed guys to step up in their shooting. And it didn’t happen.
Podz may never be a star. He could be an All-Star. He is not gifted athleticly. But, he has a high IQ. He can score, rebound, and defend. Early in the season he was pressing. I suspect he is doing that in the playoffs.
Yeah, Draymond is volatile. But, he is a very smart player. Butler doesn’t seamlessly join the Warriors without Dray, as Jimmy said. I can point to other times where he made the Warriors much better.
Minnesota hasn’t dominated the Warriors. The difference last night was that the T-wolves shot 50% from 3 point territory. The Warriors shot 29%. An average 3 point shooting night, the Warriors would have won. The Warriors only lost by 5 in game 3. The series could very easily be 3-1 Warriors, and on the verge of going to the WCF.
All of you should be looking at Wolf from Michigan . He is a big who can play on perimeter . And is a shooter. He is a smart player. Ivey L kid. He is perfect for Warriors. 7’ can play 4 or 5. He is projected late furst rd. I’ve seen him in 2nd rd. He is who you want. I hope Knicks grab him in 2nd rd if he falls. Definitely worth a late first rd pick.
The Warriors are at #41. He probably won’t drop that far. I was looking at Maxime from Stanford. Some mocks have him going in 1st. Others have going in the Warriors range.
I would trade up for him . A late 1st or early 2nd can be bought. If he is there. He is worth it trust me. I know Celtics are not passing on him.
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