4:02 pm: The trade is now official, per a Magic press release (Twitter link).
10:14 am: The Grizzlies will trade Desmond Bane to the Magic in exchange for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, according to Shams Charania of ESPN (Twitter link).
Memphis will receive the 16th selection in this year’s draft, along with a “most favorable” 2026 first-round pick that will likely be Phoenix’s and unprotected first-rounders from Orlando in 2028 and 2030, Charania adds, noting that there’s light protection on the pick swap in 2029 (Twitter link).
Bane provides a potent offensive weapon for a Magic team that often struggled to score. He averaged 19.2 points, 6.1 rebounds and 5.3 assists in 69 games this season with a .484/.392/.894 shooting line. He’ll be another scoring threat to team with Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner and should be a good complement to defensive specialist Jalen Suggs in the backcourt as Orlando looks to become a contender in what should be a weakened Eastern Conference.
The 27-year-old guard just completed the first season of a five-year, $197.2MM extension, so Orlando will be getting the security of a long-term contract. Bane will make $36.7MM next season, with that number rising to $44.9MM in the final year of his deal in 2028/29.
Caldwell-Pope wasn’t able to provide the Magic with consistent backcourt scoring after being signed away from Denver last offseason, but Charania notes that he’s a strong defensive wing who’ll bring championship experience to Memphis. Caldwell-Pope, 32, appeared in 77 games this season, averaging 8.7 PPG, his lowest scoring average since his rookie season. He shot 43.9% from the field and 34.2% from three-point range, significantly below the numbers he posted during his two years in Denver.
Caldwell-Pope has two years left on the deal he signed last summer and will earn $21,621,500 in each of the next two seasons.
Anthony has been a productive scorer during his five years in Orlando, but his playing time (18.4 minutes per game) and scoring average (9.4 PPG) both hit career lows this season. The 25-year-old guard will provide Memphis with instant offense off the bench and will make $13.1MM next season with a $13.1 team option for 2026/27.
Cap expert Yossi Gozlan tweets that the trade can be processed right away rather than waiting for the moratorium to be lifted on July 6. He adds that the Magic are required to do a 100% salary match because they project to be above the $195.9MM first apron next season. As a result of aggregating salaries, they will be hard-capped at the $207.8MM second apron in 2025/26, but can escape the luxury tax by declining team options on Moritz Wagner ($11MM) and Gary Harris ($7.5MM).
Gozlan also states that Orlando’s combined salary and tax bill could top $350MM in 2026/27 once Banchero’s expected max extension kicks in (Twitter link).
In addition, Gozlan notes that the deal will impact a possible renegotiation and extension for Jaren Jackson Jr. by decreasing the Grizzlies’ available cap space from $6.9MM to $4.5MM. Additional trades may be necessary to free up more money for Jackson.
ESPN’s Bobby Marks points out (via Twitter) that Bane has a 15% trade bonus in his contract, but it will be voided because it would push his salary over the maximum.
I don’t believe this, and thanks Magic for setting the tone on trade season.
Modern days
We treat 4 unprotected first round picks as a candy
My trade grade
Grizzlies A+
Magic D
The trade value of KCP and Anthony are higher than the players Spurs and Rockets offers for Durant
Two players only
If the trade value of Bane is $1, the trade value of Durant is 5 cents
KCP is terrible with negative value at this point
Oh he was worse player in the Magic Celtics series. If you’re going to be jawing he’s with us crap, you’d best go a little better than zero from your next thirty, lol.
How old is KD and how many years are on his contract?
Now do Bane.
this is def a grizz fan and a tool
Massive massive overpay…..wow….
Depends on the players that get picked. #16 isn’t exactly a sure bet.
Here’s a list of players picked 16th historically:
link to sports.yahoo.com
The Magic picks aren’t going to be high either.
Yeah, but that Suns pick could look pretty good.
It’s complicated though, get this:
WAS has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick, protected for selections 9-30, for PHX’s 2026 1st round pick; ORL then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the less favorable of the PHX pick and the WAS pick if conveyable; MEM then has the right to swap its 2026 1st round pick for the least / less favorable of the PHX pick, the WAS pick if conveyable and the ORL pick and CHA will receive the least favorable of these; if the WAS pick is not conveyable, then the commitment to WAS will be lifted and ORL will instead have the right to swap its pick for the PHX pick (via PHX to CHA)
That makes the deal way worse. Im surprised they reported it this way where they just call it a pick. As well as saying this one counted in the number of unprotected. I know PHX has picks and swaps out everywhere but I just assumed this was one of the unprotected.
This is swap rights on PHX that are limited to the second best of 4 picks where the most likely outcome is that ORL just sends their own pick not PHX next year.
Shams and the rest are f***ing idjuts reporting it this way since it doesnt at all reflect reality. WAS will not trade out of 1sts for 26 knowing what they have from PHX so there is zero chance the WAS part doesnt convey giving MEM the second best of WAS/ORL/PHX. They already had acquired swap rights on this pick themselves but for the second worst value of the 4 picks.
This does give them +1 pick but its upside is severely limited.
@ChapmansVacuum Think you’re misreading the terms of the 2026 pick.
The Wizards only have those swap rights if their pick is in the top eight. Otherwise they send it to New York.
So, barring a weird scenario in which Orlando somehow finishes below Washington in next season’s standings, the pick Memphis is acquiring in this deal should be either:
– The least favorable of Phoenix’s and Washington’s if both are in the top eight.
– The most favorable of Phoenix’s and Orlando’s if Washington can’t use its swap rights.
The 26 pick they are sending is the ORL 26 with swap rights. As I am reading it on real GM ORL has a swap right with PHX after WAS has first dibs on swapping with PHX. They get the pick left with PHX after WAS option if its better than their own. I think thats what your saying as well.
I thought thats what I was saying above, I guess it wasnt clear. My point was they get the second best of the 3 WAS/PHX/ORL pick whichever it is. My point was that the reporting was very poor by Shams where he said just PHX pick not ORL with swap rights, and they called the 16th pick unprotected, which I mean come on. Nothing reported wrong by you guys.
Im far more underwhelmed by #16, the somewhat decent maybe pick next year, and two future ORL picks with a swap that all occur while their young core is all still under contract. On top of that I think KCP and Cole are underwater contracts that cost you one first and the swap to dump at least.
@ChapmansVacuum My bad. Your reference to Orlando most likely sending their own pick instead of Phoenix’s threw me off.
I think the most likely scenario is Washington getting a high pick and keeping their pick, then the Suns’ pick being more favorable than Orlando’s, which is why I assume it was reported as Phoenix’s pick in the original tweet (the full ESPN.com article includes more details on it).
After KD gets dealt Im not at all confident they arent a high lottery team… lols
Everyone thought future Suns picks wouldnt be good at the time of the KD trade. Things can change so if you dont do top 2-3 protections it could get weird. They could have easily lost in the play in and gotten the 1 pick just like the mavs.
Compare to Fox trade
Kings got Zach LaVine, huge negative asset
For a 20/6/5 guy that shoots 40% from 3? The Magic need scoring now not draft picks that may or may not pan out in 4 years once Paolo and Wagner are older and possibly not even on the team anymore.
This is almost exactly what the Bucks gave up for Jrue Holiday
Mid-round 1st in the upcoming draft
two first round picks further out
two pick swaps – The Suns pick is a pick swap
Two rotation players with a downward trajectory (George Hill, Eric Bledsoe)
Feels like what a giannis trade could be.
Not even close. Giannis is a top what 3 player in the NBA right now. Bane is a what top 40? That deal will be a true godfather offer or nothing at all. Your talking about way more than the Gobert trade for Giannis. Like take the Bridges deal add 2-3 more firsts and some young players with far more upside as part of the matching salary than BRK got.
The only way its less is if Giannis says I only want to go to X and they dont have the assets to make a deal like that, and MIL is willing to take less out of loyalty to Giannis for all he did for them. Even then your talking about getting everything that team can offer with future value, so all the future picks and swaps and young players with upside.
Shams was right about the off-season starting early, I now believe KD is next in 2 days
What are the grizzlies doing??? They don’t need to rebuild??? Who is going to help Morant and JJJ?
Zach Edey
Edey will never be Bane
Ever heard of sarcasm?
That’s a lot of picks for Bane. It definitely makes me wonder what it will take for Booker. The Knicks obviously overpaid for Bridges because it was Brooklyn. I was hoping the Knicks considered Anthony to back up JB
Still can, it’s very very early
Booker costs this haul + a promising rookie
I mean, when someone offers you the kitchen sink for a player, you have to at least entertain it.
As a Grizzlies fan, did we get worse? Yeah, but the draft capital is looking pretty juicy (especially that Suns pick) and it’s not like Cole Anthony is a complete scrub
i don’t understand it because if healthy the Grizzlies could be a top 6 team in the west. Their problem has been health that last couple of years.
Bane has $197 million contract – overpaid
Memphis is a small town.
So they should keep the band together in the hopes that one year they’re magically healthy for a top 6 finish? We’d be playing the same game every year of “they just need to get healthy” until its too late and then we’re all saying “they waited too long to retool/rebuild”.
The Magic massively overpaid for Bane (four unprotected firsts!!!) and the Grizzlies are getting a plug and play lineup replacement in KCP and a solid depth option at guard for when Ja gets hurt again in Cole Anthony. For a team that has done nothing significant with this core yet, this is a no brainer.
Of course they also havent yet traded the major health risks…
Bane was much lower on my list of guys that could get hurt than JJJ/Ja/Clark
KCP was mostly bad and couldnt shoot anymore last season so aging deeper into his 3os I think your way off on him replacing Banes production or frankly coming close to it
Being in the top 6 isn’t a real goal for Memphis. They have been going backward in the playoffs since 2021-22, and just got swept fully healthy. Second round exit, then first round exit, then swept this year fully healthy.
They’re deep too, it’s just that they aren’t good enough anymore. If they pulled a few games off of OKC they could delude themselves, but getting swept?
Smart to move away from their core three
They still have enough good players that they could do a 2 year tank and just cash in on everyone while the West is a beast, since a bunch of the teams in the West that are currently good will have a lot of trouble maintaining 3 seasons from now and the conference could be much weaker.
They could get the full OKC asset buildup in almost one offseason if you just flip everyone with positive value on the roster. Can re sell guys like Anthony or KCP to other contenders and on and on until you get such a toxic contract back that you just buy it out or waive them.
Maybe the Grizzlies are trying to get KD.
Only problem who do they send in matching money?
KCP and Anthony’s contract combined is very close to Bane’s salary next season
that is for the KD rumor in how do they send matching money to Suns if this trade si about getting KD.
the 2 they just received plus Brandon Clark?
@arc
You can do the thing where you agree to the other deal before you do this one and just straight reroute the players to PHX instead when the deal gets consummated. It would become a 3+ team deal at that point probably.
Could they sign and trade someone else to help make the trade happen or involve another team that needs to shed some salary like Boston?
Its now official and cant be modified any more. Players they receive can be used for matching later.
No I meant with Memphis possibly swinging a bigger trade for KD
Draft capital is pointless, almost every player is a dud
Yeah, there has to be something else that the Grizzlies have lined up.
These finals should show/re-emphasize how important depth is. If Morant is the true star everyone expects him to be then he should be enough (with good depth around him) to make a run. KCP is still a solid player, Anthony is a solid backup combo guard and all these extra picks can be flipped for further additions later on.
I think they just solidified their offer to Phoenix for KD. They have a young center to throw in.
KD does not move until the start of the new season at the end of June for cap purposes
It depends. Some teams have players with contracts about to kick in or get cheaper so you may have to complete it now because the contracts only work before the new league year.
Also if you want to include any draft picks from this year draft they are no salary pieces before the draft, but if you trade the pick in July it counts the rookie scale, and they cant be traded until late July.
Sure, but getting 4 unprotected first rounders is some nice tidy business. Bane’s shooting will be missed, but that’s a huge overpay and I bet they are hoping KCP will give them what Bane has
I wonder if morant and jjj are next….
Umm, all those FRP, I’m sure Orlando came knocking first. Mordant is unstable and one injury away from being D Rose. JJJ is a Streaky offensive player even if that’s not his core purpose.
Bane (ball handling shooter) is a better fit for ORL than KCP.
KCP (3 & D) is a better fit in MEM next to Ja.
Great move for magic. Adding a shooter like Bane should open more space for Banchero, Wagner, and add driving lines for PG(Suggs). Nice move by magic.
This could be the Magic’s year with Boston and Milwaukee down and Indiana having FA decisions and the knicks in shambles
Cleveland and Detroit and still Indiana are the main threats right now
I wouldn’t say a great move. Definitely got a good target, but massively overpaid for a non-star
They sent back negative assets alongside the picks. Just like the Knicks did with Bridges.
Like the move for the Magic as well considering the still developing youth in Black, daSilva, Howard, Houstan, etc. No issue losing 2 players who were only likely to lose playing time as some of that youth soon matures. Do find the pick haul given away interesting though, especially considering Weltman was whinging a bit at the deadline about teams trying to take advantage of him in his quest for scoring help and were asking for too much in return lol.
I think it was a good move. Maybe one too many draft picks but the Magic are loaded with young players and they still have mid tier draft picks.
Bane should def open up the floor and honestly, on that team, I can see the Magic being in the 4-6 range next year.
Four unprotected FRPs and sending out two decent players? Straight to jail.
I agree what windhorst said about how offloading KCP was a huge part of the trade, he did not fit in Orlando and still had a lot of money and years left
Anthony never fit in with the magic anyways
Wow!!! I wasn’t sure deals could be made during the finals but now I have the answer. I didn’t have Bane being dealt on my bingo card. But I knew the Magic had to add to their backcourt. Huge addition for Orlando. I had them getting Garland, but this might be better. Bane is bigger and more physical. I wonder if Memphis will use some of that draft capital to obtain something else.
I’m not sure how it affects the market as you’re just not going to see many teams be willing to give up that much draft capital.
The teams that are no longer in the playoff can make a deal. The Spurs also did this back then when they initially acquired Matt Bonner from the Raptors.
And the players they are dealing cannot become a free agent via PO or ETO.
Or they complete this deal after the draft and during July FA and have a handshake agreement this early.
The teams generally respect the finals and wont complete any major news making moves on days with games as to not steal the thunder, but on travel days its fine.
The same thing happens in baseball where teams basically never make a deal on a game day during the world series.
??? Bane is their second best scorer so does that mean they are not all in next year? They had a contending team for next year with Bane. So are they going in rebuold mode for a couple years from now?
Why do you think they wont make more moves??? weird take
Bane been brawling witv his own teamates this season … Relevant call from the Memphis GM
They treated KCP like a -2 gurstcround draft pick. N it’s a sorry contract, but on a good tram, his presence is valuable.
Not sure what Memphis is thinking here. They gonna make a run a Giannis?
They definitely could with the ammo they received, tbh
Guess is they thought ‘4 picks, are you joking me’
This years isnt super valuable at 16 in a not super deep draft. The PHX is the second best of 4 picks so no chance at top 5, and the two of their own are while Franz/Suggs/Banchero/Bane are all on the current or soon to be signed contracts.
KCP was negative money and Anthony might be, so yeah a lot less value then it seems at first reporting.
4 UNPROTECTED picks????? Thats a dangerous game to play, but Bane is a really good addition to Orlando
Bane is a great acquisition but if this year has shown us anything; it’s the development of young talent that is taking over the league. Watching all the teams struggle without their picks is sad and they will be missed.
Brabo- teams that expect to be contenders don’t care much about “unprotected”.
The 2028 and 2030 picks will likely be very low in the first round because this team is loaded.
It makes sense.
I mean the 30 pick is in the last year of Suggs/Franz so they would be UFA that offseason, and if they arent extended they probably have to be traded. The 28 pick is probably pretty safe to be in the bottom 1/3 of the draft.
I see the vision, I am not mad at it but it can backfire heavily
Overall, I like the trade for Orlando in the short term
Magic will be great for the next 1-2 years in the East tho, that’s why they made this trade. The East is super weak rn, and this trade makes them a top 2-3 contender for next year. Indy is still good, NY is good, and Cleveland is a ? With Garland and them trying to make moves. Orlando has a rly solid starting 5 now and still good bench depth, and they will be hoping to make a finals run in the coming years.
Long term it’s not a good trade tho
I think it was a good trade all things considered. Especially as they need to juggle between the roster mgmt (they still have a bunch of young guys that haven’t really played yet), etc.
Future Picks they still own:
2025: #25 (1st), #46 (2nd), and #58 (2nd)
2026: 2 or 3 (2nd)
2027: 1 (1st), 2 (2nd)
2028: 2 (2nd)
2029: 1 (1st) pick swap with MEM, 2 (2nd)
2030: 2 (2nd)
This is a massive overpay. If Orlando doesn’t win a title they lost this trade badly.
Any time you trade unprotected future picks way down the road its a big gamble. They should have made it top 4 protected or no deal. a few bad injuries and you can be a bottom team easily.
Don’t even have to be rock bottom. Can be 11th-14th from bottom and still get into top 4 like Atlanta and Dallas.
Yep… or until the league fixes the lottery problem.
The lottery aint the problem. Its setup that way so those tanking may be prevented from continually doing so and have others a higher chance of winning the lottery. The Mavs result is an example of how they likely envisioned the lottery wherein the field has a high chance of winning versus the top 3 or 4 bad teams
Well, so far changes to the lottery odds have not affected tanking whatsoever. The teams have been tanking just as they always have, have been trading for their picks if they plan to tank etc.
What did change is that borderline play-in teams now get a chance for a happy ticket. While teams like the Wizards who dropped all the way to 6th will probably not get a cracking player and will be tanking for even more years. But they still have to tank. It’s not like if Washibgton win 30-something games like they did from 2018 till 2023 it will get them somewhere.
The thing they really want to get rid of is teams just completely giving up in the final two months of the season making some games just ridiculous.
The problem is that the only way to fix it is to have picks 1-3 go to the teams in 4-6 or something so the worst team picks 4th or something. The problem with that is that you actually want good picks going to bad teams for parity so teams dont get mired in decades long rebuilds.
Disagree. Easy solution is to have a rule that prevents teams from getting a top 6(?) pick in consecutive years.
The problem with the view that you expressed is that it’s not a reward for a bad team to get a top 3 pick. Whatever you think of the concept of reverse record drafting, it’s a better system than anything else I’ve heard. Someone has to get the top pick. Isn’t it better that the talent gets distributed rather than concentrated amongst just a few teams?
I like the “a team cannot get a top-N pick in consecutive years” idea. Then N can be discussed.
And to prevent a play-in or near .500 team from winning the lottery, just restrict the lottery field to the worst 8 teams.
This could have the unintended consequence of of teams 9-14 trying to bottom out harder than they do already. The teams already at the bottom are bad for a reason and cant be better, but a team like SAC may have more incentive to get worse and be in a draft where the odds are higher for all 8 teams since they get the current 9-14 teams odds spread between them rather than trying to get bumped in the play in or swept in the first round.
Yeah, no system will be perfect… but teams like SAC who are on the fringe of the playoffs are usually either ascending (not incentivized to stink) or descending.. if the latter, could accelerate a sell off or just have players sit out like the Sixers did.
I think the latter situation definitely has to be addressed by the league. If players are not injured, they must play. Teams must play their healthy players for the integrity of the sport. Otherwise they should face severe fines for internationally throwing games.
Of course you could also incentivize teams in that netherland of the 9-14 slots by awarding some kind of payroll cap relief or something like that for finishing .500… that could incentivize some teams to play all 82 games to win. I mean this is a problem in mlb too, where the last month+ is just going through motions for a handful of teams.
At least in baseball when your team sucks you get to see a lot of prospects get call ups and shots at playing so you see your future. In the NBA its just straight trash where you see the guys that will never be part of a good team playing in order to maybe get the future guy.
The problem then is teams will be actively tanking out of the play-in.
You want to dissuade a Houston Astros situation where they had a tiny payroll and just disgustingly bad team, and then got the first pick a record 3 years in a row. Once its the worst team picking first teams trying to be bad aim for 0 wins because the bad teams have to compete to be worst.
I mean its still a 1.6% chance. You know the odds of getting struck by lightning a second time is far lower than the first which is already infinitesimal.
Unless the NBA wants to help your team after a stupid trade.
While I do agree that most of the signs point to the league helping the Mavs win the lottery. Ill hold off in saying that it was rigged until we get some statements from league officials that they admit that it was indeed rigged, which is likely never in our life time lol.
just like how the knicks got Ewing.
It seems shady, but theres no frozen envelopes here. Its a ball tumbler run by independent people done in front of the reps for all 30 teams, and press.
It sure seems shady, but I cant come up with any way you could actually rig the physical lottery process…
1.6% chance to land specifically No.1 pick. To get to top 4 the chances are better.
Dallas were 11th from bottom and had a 8.5% chance to get a pick from 1 to 4.
Portland were 10th from bottom and had a 16.9 chance to get a pick 1 to 4.
I mean, with that logic, all trades that don’t result in a title are losses
Wow, Davey J! When you don’t speak about fictitious GS trades, you can make good points!
Not all trades involve so many unprotected 1sts. Kings and Clippers trading picks and young players are why these 2 teams are in them. Orlando has to build from within cause they aren’t a FA destination
Bane is a great player. But that much for him? I think they could have got KD for that.
Pretty sure a 36 year old KD on an expiring contract goes for way way less. Like 1 unprotected first 1 protected, and matching salary that has either useful players or at least one younger player with upside
Yes. Bane has much more value than Durant at this time.
4 years of Bane against 1 for KD too at about half the money KD makes.
Bane is way younger though
That was a long reach for Bane…
That is a haul and a reach for Bane
It’s a lot for ORL but I give them credit for going for it. Should have a solid big 4. Need more shooting depth though.
Porzingis might be the answer :)
Orlando gave too much though, picks and 2 players who are not buмs.
Does anyone want the Porzingis deal until they figure out what the mysterious illness he has been battling for over a year is?
Illness was not over a year. Been a couple months. Having symptoms that he described after any viral infection is more common than most people realize. The symptoms typically clear up on their own.
Im pretty sure he missed time with some illness a while ago that was similar where they thought he was over it. I kinda think it sounds like long covid or the long lime that ADD had in the WNBA. You can also get the chronic fatigue syndrome from viral infections. I mean he was limited in his most recent games. Unless they are going to just let him do a hard 35min run where he shows hes past it I dont see how anyone gives up anything of value until he proves hes healthy. He has other injury concerns outside that as well.
ChapmansVaccuum, you have this part right that PeanutGallery does not: the condition lasted longer than expected, and it continues to defy the doctors.
So, the uncertainty is still out there.
LOLOLOLOL, wow, what a huge overpay. Now it’ll take even more to get Giannis, and will KD get more expensive?
Draft talent isn’t that good now a days but still 4 1st for Bane is wild. This does not make the Magic that much better.
Love the trade for Orlando. This year’s 1st isn’t as valuable bc this draft is so top heavy. 3 other 1st rounders seems like a lot but there’s no guarantee they would be high picks and pan out.
NIL baby! A bunch of the guys who would have been in the 15-40 range of this draft just went back to school on a draft that was pretty heavy on the 30-40 range prospects after the first 8 already.
Everyone’s gonna say this is a horrible deal for Orlando, but it won’t turn out to be. All those picks (except the Washington swap) will be mid to late first rounders. Fans vastly overrate outside-the-lottery first round picks. And Bane is by miles and miles the best player in the deal and a perfect fit for Banchero and Wagner. If Cleveland and Boston have to cut costs and Orlando stays reasonably healthy, they might just be the best team in the East.
Yeah good get for Orlando… and credit to them for being aggressive. I had them using KCP to get Garland. This is better.
Dude the 26 PHX pick could be the most valuable pick traded this entire offseason.
Next years draft is super duper loaded, and this Suns team could have some of the best lottery odds out there.
You may not give up much with the ORL picks, but that Suns one is worth the same as both the ORL picks at least with the potential to spike up to being worth like 5-7 of those ORL picks if it hits top 2. Like how many picks would you have to give up to get #1 and Flagg from DAL this year?
People said that about the Sacramento Pick that Boston got the year they drafted Tatum. Pundits could not stop talking about how Boston got Tatum and a potential top 4 pick bc Sacramento was terrible.
It turned out to be Romeo Langford.
Sacramento signed a FA, hired a new coach and they drafted well the year prior…pick was a sure fire top 4 pick then it was 14 and Romeo Langford.
That pick did help get Derrick White, but still, nobody knows where the pick will land, even a year ahead.
Sometimes 1st rounders outside of the lottery can be excellent. 2021 draft had Sengun, Trey Murphy, Jalen Johnson, Quentin Grimes, Cam Thomas, Santi Aldama go outside of the lottery in the 1st round. That’s as good as top picks in some years.
Orlando also gave up 2 competent players. That’s another part that makes this deal look much better for Memphis.
The problem with that logic is that its random where you find value later. A lot of teams took guys before Trey that are way worse. Some of that is luck. Also a number of the guys you named arent on or wont be on their original teams by the time they start being worth anything.
It is true that the value is random, and it won’t be until some time that we see how those picks play out. Late first round picks have been discussed many times, don’t think we can add anything new.
Good point about some of those players becoming worth something when they have already left. It’s good to think of it that way.
KCP and Cole Anthony can be valuable for Memphis. I think KCP is not necessarily ‘done’, and just as his form dipped, it might bounce back. Gives Memphis another wing, you can never have enough of those in this NBA. And Anthony can be useful too, and be used in a trade with that salary. Had Memphis received somebody absolutely awful, like injured Simmons when he went to Brooklyn, it would be different.
KCP and Cole “could” have on-court value but they have terrible contracts.
KCP disappointed in ORL and has 2Y / 44M remaining on his deal (Age 32-33). He is the definition of a declining / short-term asset.
Cole (13M + 13M Team Option) went from ORL’s overpaid 3rd string (behind Anthony Black) to MEM’s overpaid 3rd string behind (Scotty Pippen Jr). His skillset (inefficient shot creation) is needed even less on a team with Ja Morant.
Bane OTOH (4 Y / 163M) is a positive player who fills a gaping need (shooting, perimeter shot creation) that is under contract from Age 27-30 (extendable off that for 2-3 more good years). He is precisely the player to pair with Banchero (23), Franz (24), and Suggs (24).
Its mostly the “4 firsts” part that is the overpay. If it were a pure player trade it would be a lot closer to even.
Podziemski was the 19th pick, if anything you underrate the mid-late draft picks here.
KCP/Cole for Bane is nowhere close to even lol.
The value of draft picks extends a wee bit beyond a team’s best-case scenario.
19th pick (Last 10 years)
2024: Ja’Kobe Walter
2023: Brandin Podziemski
2022: Jake LaRavia (BUST / 4th Year Rookie Option Declined)
2021: Kai Jones (BUST)
2020: Saddiq Bey
2019: Luka Samanic (BUST)
2018: Kevin Huerter
2017: John Collins
2016: Malik Beasley
2015: Jerian Grant (BUST)
The 19th pick has generated zero All-Stars against four Busts in the last 10 years.
The players who hit are low level starters / 6th-7th men, with John Collins being the best overall player.
Not sure what point you’re making… 3 of those were starters on playoff teams (2 for a team that went to a Conference Finals) and a 4th who has plenty of value and nearly won the 6MOY this szn. And a 5th (Walter) will probably become a rotation player for someone.
Patrick Williams was also a starter on a playoff team once.
The point is out of these ten players drafted 19th, few of them have ever been Top 100 in the NBA for an extended period, much less any point of their careers.
None of them are better than what Desmond Bane has done the last 3-4 years (and counting).
The average value of the #19 pick is much lower than what is being suggested by the mentally addled.
And Bane was the 30th pick. Yes, it’s not like these are sure to be top 5 or 10 picks. That much is understood. These are future assets, the precise value of which in undetermined. That’s the nature of every deal involving picks. The same debate can be had about the picks in the Bridges trade. Most, if not all of those will be late picks. Who knows how that will play out… maybe the Nets will package 2 late picks to move into the lottery.
Yes, but Bane is one of the best 30th picks in NBA history. The odds of getting another Desmond Bane with the 30th pick versus the expected value are exponentially low.
Teams need draft luck (like getting Giannis / Haliburton / SGA / Jalen Williams in the teens, or Jokic in the 40s) to accelerate their rebuilds.
A surplus of picks in the 20s is akin to having a bunch of lottery tickets. You can improve your odds with good scouting and targeting players who fit your system (praying the other 29 teams make bad evaluations), but otherwise you’re far more likely to end up with Malachi Flynn (29) with picks that low than a real difference maker.
And the Grizzlies increased their chances of coming away with a player by getting 4 1sts… given that they aren’t likely to be high picks. Sounds like the Suns swap could be a good pick if I understood that one correctly.
Cycling through 30th picks…
2024: Baylor Scheierman (RESERVE)
2023: Kobe Brown (RESERVE)
2022: Peyton Watson (ROLE)
2021: Santi Aldama (ROLE)
2020: Desmond Bane (HIGH STARTER)
2019: Kevin Porter Jr (LOW STARTER)
2018: Omari Spellman (BUST)
2017: Josh Hart (HIGH STARTER)
2016: Damian Jones (RESERVE)
2015: Kevon Looney (ROLE)
2014: Kyle Anderson (ROLE)
2013: Nemanja Nedovic (BUST)
2012: Festus Ezeli (BUST)
2011: Jimmy Butler (SUPERSTAR) – 6x All-Star, 5x All-NBA, 5x All-Defense
2010: Lazar Hayward (BUST)
2009: Christian Eyenga (BUST)
2008: J.R. Giddens (BUST)
2007: Petteri Koponen (BUST)
2006: Joel Freeland (BUST)
2005: David Lee (ALL-STAR) – 2x All-Star, 1x All-NBA Third
#30 Picks
2x All-NBA (10%): Butler 5x, Lee (1x Third)
2x All-Star (10%): Butler 6x, Lee 2x
1x All-Defense (5%): Butler 5x
5x Starters (25%): Butler, Lee, Bane, Hart, KPJ
8x Busts (40%)
If we go as far back as 1980, Butler and Lee are still the only #30s that were All-Stars (2x All-Defense Nate McMillain is the only other notable). Anything before 2004 was a 2nd round pick (i.e. they weren’t getting a rookie scale deal).
I don’t really know what your point is anymore. I have a strong suspicion that the “results” wouldn’t be much different if you looked at 30 years of the 12th pick. There will be a few hits and many more misses. If the bar is set high enough (nba AS), there are so few ASs and many are repeats that by that measure there won’t be a lot more wins at the 12th pick either.
#12 Pick
2024: Nikola Topic (RESERVE)
2023: Dereck Lively II (STARTER)
2022: Jalen Williams (ALL-STAR)
2021: Josh Primo (BUST)
2020: Tyrese Haliburton (SUPERSTAR)
2019: PJ Washington (STARTER)
2018: Miles Bridges (HIGH STARTER)
2017: Luke Kennard (ROLE)
2016: Taurean Prince (LOW STARTER / ROLE)
2015: Trey Lyles (ROLE)
2014: Dario Saric (ROLE)
2013: Steven Adams (STARTER)
2012: Jeremy Lamb (ROLE)
2011: Alec Burks (ROLE)
2010: Xavier Henry (BUST)
2009: Gerald Henderson (LOW STARTER)
2008: Jason Thompson (LOW STARTER)
2007: Thaddeus Young (STARTER)
2006: Hilton Armstrong (RESERVE)
2005: Yaroslav Korolev (BUST)
20 Years of #12 Picks
2x All-NBA (10%): Haliburton (2x), Jalen (1x)
2x All-Star (10%): Haliburton (2x), Jalen (1x)
0x All-Defense
9x Starter (45%)
3x Busts (15%)
While the odds of getting a star are roughly the same, the #12 pick is much safer than the #30 pick (or #19 pick). 3x as likely to get a starter than it is to bust.
Do you even know what the original point was that you’re debating? 😁
Yeah, that the #19 pick had high value because a team could get Brandin ****ing Podziemski.
Well again, it’s why the Grizz were able to get multiple 1sts… because the Magic should be a top EC team now for several yrs. Bottom line is that without doing other things, this looks like a step back for MEM. It has to have been done bc of cap implications and their desire to extend JJJ.
Yeah the KCP contract doesn’t provide big relief but Anthony is expiring iirc.
What the most valuable pick looks like:
#1 Pick
2024: Zaccharie Risacher (LOW STARTER)
2023: Victor Wembanyama (SUPERSTAR)
2022: Paolo Banchero (ALL-STAR)
2021: Cade Cunningham (SUPERSTAR / ALL-STAR)
2020: Anthony Edwards (SUPERSTAR)
2019: Zion Williamson (ALL-STAR)
2018: DeAndre Ayton (STARTER)
2017: Markelle Fultz (LOW STARTER / ROLE)
2016: Ben Simmons (ALL-STAR)
2015: Karl-Anthony Towns (SUPERSTAR)
2014: Andrew Wiggins (HIGH STARTER)
2013: Anthony Bennett (BUST)
2012: Anthony Davis (SUPERSTAR)
2011: Kyrie Irving (SUPERSTAR)
2010: John Wall (ALL-STAR)
2009: Blake Griffin (SUPERSTAR)
2008: Derrick Rose (SUPERSTAR / ALL-STAR)
2007: Greg Oden (BUST)
2006: Andrea Bargnani (LOW STARTER)
2005: Andrew Bogut (STARTER)
10x All-NBA (50%): AD (5x), Griffin (5x), Kyrie (3x), Towns (3x), Edwards (2x), Cade (1x), Simmons (1x), Wall (1x), Rose (1x), Bogut (1x)
11x All-Star (55%): AD (10x), Kyrie (9x), Griffin (6x), Wall (5x), Edwards (3x), Simmons (3x), Rose (3x), Zion (2x), Wemby (1x), Paolo (1x), Wiggins (1x)
5x All-Defense (25%): AD (5x), Simmons (2x), Wemby (1x), Wall (1x), Bogut (1x)
17x Starter (85%)
2x Bust (10%)
#5 Pick
2024: Ron Holland (ROLE)
2023: Ausar Thompson (LOW STARTER)
2022: Jaden Ivey (LOW STARTER)
2021: Jalen Suggs (HIGH STARTER)
2020: Isaac Okoro (ROLE)
2019: Darius Garland (ALL-STAR)
2018: Trae Young (ALL-STAR)
2017: De’Aaron Fox (ALL-STAR)
2016: Kris Dunn (ROLE)
2015: Mario Hezonja (BUST / RESERVE)
2014: Dante Exum (ROLE)
2013: Alex Len (ROLE)
2012: Thomas Robinson (BUST)
2011: Jonas Valanciunas (STARTER)
2010: DeMarcus Cousins (ALL-STAR)
2009: Ricky Rubio (STARTER)
2008: Kevin Love (ALL-STAR)
2007: Jeff Green (STARTER)
2006: Shelden Williams (RESERVE)
2005: Raymond Felton (STARTER)
4x All-NBA (20%): Cousins (2x), Love (2x), Trae (1x), Fox (1x)
5x All-Star (25%): Love (5x), Trae (4x), Cousins (4x), Garland (2x), Fox (1x)
1x All-Defense (5%): Suggs (1x)
12x Starter (60%)
2x Bust (10%)
Going down to just the #5 pick there is a steep dropoff in high level talent, but 9 times out of 10 you’re still getting an NBA player.
Hopefully this helps illuminate the differences between “Unprotected Firsts” from Lottery Teams vs Playoff Teams / Contenders.
The reason the Magic picks are unprotected (or the Knicks picks in the Bridges trade) is they need to be for them to even have more than a sliver of value.
Going back even further on #19 picks (20 years)
2024: Ja’Kobe Walter (RESERVE)
2023: Brandin Podziemski (LOW STARTER)
2022: Jake LaRavia (BUST / ROLE)
2021: Kai Jones (BUST)
2020: Saddiq Bey (LOW STARTER)
2019: Luka Samanic (BUST)
2018: Kevin Huerter (LOW STARTER)
2017: John Collins (HIGH STARTER)
2016: Malik Beasley (LOW STARTER)
2015: Jerian Grant (BUST)
2014: Gary Harris (LOW STARTER)
2013: Sergey Karasev (BUST)
2012: Andrew Nicholson (RESERVE / immediate bust on FA contract)
2011: Tobias Harris (HIGH STARTER)
2010: Avery Bradley (LOW STARTER)
2009: Jeff Teague (HIGH STARTER / 1x ALL-STAR)
2008: J.J. Hickson (LOW STARTER)
2007: Javaris Crittenson (BUST)
2006: Quincy Douby (BUST)
2005: Hakim Warrick (ROLE)
Out of Twenty #19 picks:
0x All-NBA
1x All-Star (5%) – and it was a 1x All-Star
1x All-Defense (5%) (Avery Bradley)
3x High Starters (15%) – Teague, Tobias, Collins
10x Starters of any quality (50%)
7x Busts (35%)
The #19 pick has been twice as likely to bust (35%) as it is to boom (15%).
Bane is 26 and in his prime. He is an excellent 2way guard. He fits them well and with Suggs. Magic front court is still young and improving. They paid a high price. Those two players are expendable not in their future. It’s a good move. Magic just leveled up in East …..
Grizzlies can retool now. They had an excellent draft last year. They capitalized on Wells success. Anthony and Pope give them depth. That 16th pick is a nice pick for them. They must believe in Wells. He looks like a good 2way talent. At 21 he has plenty of upside.
I like it for both teams ……. That pick is major. Grizz must have someone in mind.
I agree and think that is part of what some are missing when they think this is some huge overpay. Bane is a TWOway player. Also, they’re missing that KCP is on a bad contract (with the new CBA) and it would’ve probably taken one of ORL later 1st (#25, 2028 or 2030) to deal him anyways imo.
ORL makes a similar move to NYK when they got Bridges. I like Bane more, but when you factor in contracts that is why Bridges brought back a similar return.
Definitely think MEM has someone in mind, plus a lot of young guys that will have an opportunity to show out. If they’re wanting a Bane draft replacement I think they’d target guys like Bryant or Clifford. Also, there are some stretch big options in that range if they’re looking to replace Aldama if they don’t think they can afford him AND the JJJ extension.
I think the note at the end about the trade kicker is interesting. If those are included in contracts to help a player stay where he signed, or at least have some modicum of input over where he goes, how can they just be waived?
I assumed Bane had to do this himself, so in a way that is him signing off on going to the Magic? But it still seems odd that he just doesn’t get that money.
I mean you cant really allow somebody to get more than what the max is and the trade bonus is counted against the cap. Regardless of whether he signed of or not, the cap will still be in play.
As I said below this does not apply to a player being extended. You are always allowed to extend at 5% on regular max or 8% on super max even if it takes you above the 30/35% of the cap max. If your already earning the true max you can still get your raises on your new deal.
Steph Curry just made 39.6% of the cap putting him at 4.6% above the top of the super max.
The player is allowed to waive the kicker, but they also just become null if the terms of the kicker cant be met.
The trade kickers are good for a player signing a real deal with a bad team so you get a bonus when they trade you. This is mostly better for a guy making like 20M as a starter but way below the max.
The kickers are paid by the previous team so they can be forced to be waived if the team doesnt have the cap room to cover the kicker which in effect gives them a no trade clause. A lot of teams are into the tax to the point where quite a few wouldnt be allowed to trade a kicked player.
When it comes to the contracts the Kicker is much less valuable on a max extension since it wont do anything ever until the later years of the deal once the cap raises enough that the 30% deal is now only 28% of the cap etc. So mostly the max deals with kickers are only a bonus in years 4-5.
No player is allowed to earn over the max except a player being extended off their old salary where the 8% raises put you over the value of what the max is supposed to be for that player. Steph Curry makes over the 35% cap because he was extended off an already super max deal. This situation is less likely to happen moving forward since the cap is projected to move up by more than the 8% raise thats the max built into the super max deal. So players currently on super maxes that are at or above 35% of the cap can extend for more than the max allowed. Most younger players signing super maxes wont be able to get in front of the cap raises for at least the next 5 years.
Wow. Thanks for the education :)
Well, now I know! I appreciate you sharing this info.
As a Magic fan, I like this trade, although I think it was too many picks in return, it is too late. This trade doesn’t fix the point guard issue in Orlando since Jalen Suggs is not a natural point guard not to mention that he is coming back from knee surgery, we all know about Jalen’s aggressive game and his intense defense but after a knee surgery perhaps it won’t be the same (Remember Derrick Rose) I hope Orlando can sign Chris Paul in free agency, he still at his age a bonafide point guard.
I wouldn’t worry about a classic point guard. You got 4 starters who can do everything including a little play making. Celtics won a title with a similar format, and less depth. Not even a magic fan and I am excited. They final pulled the trigger on the guard they needed. Seems to me they nailed it.
Orlando gave up extra picks to move KCP…. Yes, Bane will fit in seamlessly in Orlando lineup… but still a big price to pay… 4 unprotected 1st round picks, and a pick swap…. Both KCP and Anthony gives Memphis depth. WHAT’s crazy, why did Orlando sign KCP as a free agent, he’s a 3 &D guy… what did you think you were getting. With Suggs, and Anthony Black, they really didn’t need to sign KCP. The Banes trade fixes the bad KCP signing, but at a big cost. …
Orlando needed outside shooting. Suggs and Black are not there yet.
The Magic had no path to acquiring Desmond Bane (or a player of his caliber) without first signing KCP via cap space. Good players don’t hit unrestricted free agency anymore.
I agree with both points by TallBaller and Real. I will also add that they brought KCP in as a veteran presence with deep playoff experience on a very young team that had just made the playoffs the year before. They lose that now, but Bane has playoff experience as well and fits their timeline perfectly. They can spend some on a different bench vet and be better off.
What an idiot agent that puts a trade kicker that can get voided like that.
Its voided because his new deal just kicked in based on the current cap so it is the full amount right now. In another 2 years if he gets dealt again he can get the bonus because the cap is projected to go up by 10% the next several years. So he can get the bonus once his contract is below the maximum.
This is how these frequently work where they are basically not relevant until the contract ages some. You have to remember agents negotiate for a bunch of unlikely stuff so they can announce a big deal, but everyone knows some of it is pure BS that will never convey.
The fit makes PERFECT sense for the magic. Love it for them on the court. What they gave up though? It’s a lot. I would think 3 1st rounders would have been more than enough
Agreed 110%, unless Orlando hasn’t finished yet with the trades that were too many picks to give away for a non-all-Star player. Orlando still does not have a natural point guard on the team and perhaps the only hope is to sign Chris Paul in free agency, he is still a very reliable player.
I disagree on point guard. This team looks a lot like the Celtics: two combo guards in bane and Suggs, And two play making forwards. Center position is maybe a question mark, but if they don’t make any other trades this team can be a top team in the east. Young, deep and talented. I totally get why they were willing to stretch on the number of picks in the deal.
Good point on the need for a center, but there aren’t too many in the market, perhaps a package including Wendell Carter Jr. and Jett Howard can bring a decent shot-blocker center like Mitchell Robinson.
Jett Howard is not a positive value. Robinson alone would be an upgrade from Carter.
Bane is a perfect fit for the magic. Obviously they gave up a lot, but I think this is huge for them. Also, now we are in Memphis rebuild. What happens to JJJ and Ja?
Not sure this is a MEM rebuild just yet. Think they just realized that their big 3 were not going to cut it. When healthy they did very well in the regular season, but not good enough in the playoffs. Also, with the looming JJJ extension and the new CBA they would have very little flexibility moving forward. Keeping all 3 would have made them “stuck” with what they had. A good team when healthy, but probably not quite good enough. They would’ve most likely lost Aldama, not have a 1st this year to improve, and only had minimal options to bring in anyone else in FA with their cap. They take an offer with 4 1st, one of which was covering the cost to get rid of KCP from ORL perspective, similar to what MEM just had to do to get rid of Smart. KCP can provide some input for MEM, but nothing close to Bane. Not sure Anthony does much, with MEM already having Pippen, but he could be a decent contract in future trades with someone like Clarke and others. So MEM is hoping the picks can either:
1) pan out into at least one young player close to Bane, who will be cheaper for a couple of years and let them try to get a good FA piece as well
2) rerouting some of the picks to get someone else that might push them over the hump for one year like a KD (KCP, Anthony, & Clarke should be a salary match)
3) rerouting some of the picks to get someone that is a lesser version of Bane and that will be a good piece but not need a MAX contract (Reaves and Coby White come to mind, or someone similar)
I guess I get all that. I would put in the cynical note, that they are very far away from any of the aprons salary wise. More like they don’t want to get close to luxury tax line.
Correct. With a JJJ extension that gets them closer, and no clue how much they’re willing to go on Aldama.
Can’t take Orlando seriously. Trade for Bane but wouldn’t trade for Trae????
I think we’re seeing draft pick value being reproportioned here because honestly how many more young players can Orlando commit to developing before they start making moves to get better? When only a few teams have the balance of picks, their value outside of the upper lottery would go down.
This was definitely an eyeball popper for me. And I’m just trying to make sense of it. I don’t know how much better Orlando realistically is but maybe this a precursor to something else?
Otherwise, I can’t believe someone else was paying this bounty for Bane.
Like this move for the Magic. Yea it’s an overpay but the trade market has been FUBAR since the Rudy trade, and adding a player like Bane is going to be costly.
He should be a good fit with Banchero and Franz if he can figure things out.
Forget KD keep it simple Memphis.
Cole Anthony, Brandon Clarke and 2 first round picks for Cam Johnson
Ja KCP Cam JJJ Edey
Good shooters and good defence spearheaded but a superstar in Ja
Good for Orl for finally entering the modern era and pushing sone chips in a wide open East
Love the player fit , amazing fit tbh
It might be a first too many ( the last one ) but cmon what if that pick is just like the 20 th pick in 2030 … are they really gonna look back and regret it ? Doubtful
Agreed. Now was the time to go for it, and they did.
Magic is an Intriguing team because there is so much upside in the 3 of Suggs, Banchero, and Wagner.
Plus, they have toughness and defense-first mentality.
It’s always interesting to see how fans react when a bunch of 1st round picks are involved. Fans lose their minds and talk about overpays. Meanwhile, NBA front offices seem to have no issues trading them like candy. I feel like most fans don’t understand the nuance of their value and just think 1st round pick = valuable. The NBA isn’t like the NFL, where a pick in the mid-20s still has a lot of value. Depending on the draft class, sometimes only the first few picks in the NBA draft have any real value.
For this trade, what are the odds that any of the 1sts will pan out and be better than Bane? Or even collectively have the impact of Bane? It’s certainly not a given. And Orlando is taking advantage of a shifting Eastern Conference, with Boston likely re-tooling, Milwaukee missing Lillard, even Cleveland potentially making a move. A healthy Orlando with now Bane is a contender in the East.
Fans also overvalue their own players. That being said, it is still a lot to pay for bane. And even though it is a lot to pay, I still like the trade for the magic.
Most picks will be late picks like the Bridges trade. You trade for a player to be legit now. Its worth giving up an extra pick. Folks go crazy over Bridges trade. Yet Knicks didn’t give up one significant player. Only the picks. And this draft is only draft when those picks look decent. You have to roll the dice. Bane is a solid addition for them. Position of need. A 2way player. And solid young vet. Grizz can do it cause of Wells man. He was a great pick.
Candace Parker’s brother creeping on Nico as worst GM
Looks like the Grizzlies are giving up on that young core they had. It looked like that Grizzlies team was going to be a top team in the west for years to come and it all went downhill fast.
They need to take the first decent offer they get for Morant.
I dont know how much value Ja has with his on court injury/defense problems and his off court extra curriculars I dont know how much value he really has.
Ja has made himself untradable— Zion Williamson Lite.
Thats not true at all ———
first they traded one player. And replaced him with Wells a 21 yr old who is getting better by the day.
This yrs pick is a pick that can help them this year. They drafted Wells and Edey last yr. So they know how to find talent.
Last year what derailed them was injuries. Then the coaching change which I still don’t understand.
And now they have extra picks to strengthen team. By drafting or another trade. Bane is solid but for them expendable.
They have strengthened this team with depth. And have assets to keep it going. Wells and the 16th pick are the keys. Both teams are better today. Grizz can still get better …..
Al, do you really think this team is better without Bane? I’m surprised.
Half of their roster from the 21-22 season when they made it to the 2nd round and lost to the eventual champion Warriors is gone.
They haven’t been out of the first round since.
At this point they should just be happy with getting a first round pick and expiring contracts.
The Magic are idiots. What an overpay. Wow
Definitely an overpay in terms of draft capital but I agree with a lot of people those picks will all end up in the 20’s and likely late 20’s.
The real draft prospects are usually 1-15 depending on the class and anything after that is a huge hit or miss with the chances being maybe a hit 1/7 so giving up 4 picks isn’t the end of the world when they don’t hold much value.
East is wide open with Philly on the decline/fallen off, Boston without Tatum and needing to fix their cap situation, Miami looks over and Milwaukee are over. It’s Cleveland who themselves are looking for a big move, NY who are without a coach and lack depth and Indy who are definitely beatable.
I do think it’s an overpay but it’s certainly not the end of the world and if it pans out they are going to be contenders for the next 5 years minimum.
It’s not like they’d put all their chips into a 37 year old KD or something like that Bane is in his prime and fits that side like a glove.
I was hoping for something cheaper and maybe more exciting like Zach LaVine but he has injury concerns, defensively problems, a big contract that’ll need extending and has more of an ego.
Im happy for Orlando and I think it’ll be more interesting to see what Memphis now does to build back up. You’ve got Ja and JJJ as your core with a bunch of picks and bunch of young players and decisions to make on Pippen Jr and Aldama.
They need a 20 points per game guy to be the 2nd option and provide some spacing. Again hope it’s not all chips in on KD and instead a Cam Johnson, Brandon Ingram level player that way they keep some picks and are still a good side.
Massive overpay. KCP has championship experience and still can play. Plus Cole Anthony, plus 4 FRPs?!
It’s a clear overpay for Bane, but he should fit well with the MAGIC ….. add the fact that the upcoming season sees a weakened EAST, the MAGIC could be primed for a deep playoff run.
Too rich of an offer but let’s be real… KCP is barely a good bench player. Orlando has lots of good young talent so they don’t really need picks as much as other teams might. That being said – it is definitely an overpay for a player who is overpaid. It certainly skews any possible deals for GA in a huge way.
Great trade for Orlando. This is exactly what you do when you have everything else locked in and need just one more piece to contend. Bane was that one missing piece: an elite outside shooter.
PF Banchero
SF Wagner
C Carter
PG Suggs
SG Bane
That starting 5 will contend for the next 5 years. The team has a deep bench with Black, Isaac, Bitadze, Wagner, etc. KCP and Anthony won’t be missed. Their first round picks over the next five years will be too low to matter much.
Largely agree. They were in a position to be aggressive.
Question is, where are the Grizzlies right now..? What do they do next? I guess their 1st priority may be to try and keep Aldama if anyone (Nets?) attempts to poach him. And then what?
How about this take: Grizzlies just started waving the white flag. Without Bane, they’re not a playoff team. Start of a rebuild. More trades to come.
They’re looking at a ridiculously loaded West. OKC has the West wrapped up for the next few years. Dallas, Minnesota, Houston on the rise, etc, etc
This is the right time to take 3 years off, come back strong in 2028-29.
I don’t think sitting 3 years out is a good strategy for any team. But I don’t think the Grizz are looking at a rebuild. Ja and JJJ are both just 25.
You’re probably right, but I’m going to wait and see. We saw this from 2017-2019 in the West after the Warriors got KD. Other than Houston, all the other teams traded their assets forward a few years.
Kleiman is in the same situation as Presti was. Small market, can’t go into the tax, supportive owner.
Grizzlies go after Giannis now
Even 3 unprotected picks would have been an overpay. Four and a swap is just crazy. Orlando are going all in… If something goes south (injuries, lack of chemistry or just not enough firepower), they are cooked.
The Gobert and Bridges trade have ruined the value of a FRP. Now they’re worth dog doo doo.
Like the Kawhi trade was Kawhi AND PG, don’t get one without the other.
Will Giannis even be able to be traded with this type of trade. If Bane is worth all that then WTF
An “overpay”? Not sure what it means other than ORL should have passed on the deal. There isn’t any reason for MEM to have taken less (not at this stage even if they wanted to trade him over the next year). Bane is about to turn 27, entering his prime. Absent an injury, his trade value wasn’t going down.
I’m actually surprised that HOU wasn’t involved, assuming the market was aware that Bane was available. They could use a 2 way starting SG that shoots 40% from 3 as well. Others too. But HOU is apparently thinking about KD, who is about to turn 37. Bane is probably much more expensive, but he should be. You’d actually be solving a long term issue, not hoping to catch lightning in a bottle.
Four 1st is crazy for Bane.
Yes, he is more valuable than KCP/Anthony. A first, maybe 2 I could see, but four is way too much. The Magic are giving up four 1st for a guy that hasn’t made not made/may never make an All-Star team. This is as bad as the Knicks/Mikal deal, if not worse. At least the Knicks gave up nothing player wise, and I could argue that Mikal is better than Bane.
Bane’s plenty good, he has his rough games but also often is a bad man when it matters. I agree 4 is too many but Bane kind of is “the final piece of the puzzle” there. Magic will be top 4 in a weak east next year, easily. Doesn’t even matter what happens in trade season, there’s simply too much of an unbalance between West and East.
F for Memphis. What are you doing? Clueless management