The Warriors do not want to include the contract of either Moses Moody or Buddy Hield as part of a possible Jonathan Kuminga sign-and-trade with the Kings, Sam Amick of The Athletic confirms (via Twitter). That essentially stalls the deal indefinitely, as Golden State would need to move off one of those players in order to take back Malik Monk and fill out the rest of its roster.
There’s still plenty of time left between now and the October 1 deadline for Kuminga to accept his qualifying offer, so it’s possible other suitors or offers will emerge for the restricted free agent forward, but for now, Golden State expects Kuminga to return to the team for 2025/26.
Kuminga was injured for much of the 2024/25, but when he did play, the 22-year-old showed his athleticism and scoring ability. In 47 healthy games, he averaged 15.3 points, 4.6 rebounds, and 2.2 assists per contest.
There’s more out of the Pacific Division:
- Duane Rankin of The Arizona Republic confirms that there’s mutual interest between the Suns and Kuminga, but acknowledges that a deal between Phoenix and the Warriors looks like an extreme long shot at this point. According to Rankin, the 6’7″ forward views the Suns as the kind of team where he’d get to enjoy a major, consistent role alongside an All-Star (Devin Booker). The Suns have talked to Booker’s agent, Aaron Turner, but the Warriors have shown no interest in the trade package Phoenix can offer.
- While there has been some outside skepticism, the Suns are confident that newly added guard Jalen Green will be a good fit alongside Booker in their backcourt. Gerald Bourgeut of PHNX Sports breaks down three areas of Green’s game that the former No. 2 overall pick needs to improve for the pairing with Booker to succeed. Last year on the 52-30 Rockets, Green averaged a team-high 21.0 points, along with 3.4 dimes per game. He has intriguing upside as a supplemental creator and scorer next to Booker.
- In case you missed it, Lakers All-Star forward LeBron James has reportedly been amenable to L.A.’s pivot to focusing its team-building around the younger Luka Doncic.
Warriors also don’t want to pay Monk for 3 years. Kings need to find another team that wants Monk and go from there. If Monk is so valuable as Kings think he is it would be easy to find some teams wanting to trade assets for him. Can’t blame warriors for not wanting to trade Moody who still has upside. heild who is only on a $9 million deal.
Moody’s upside .. not earth shattering
This is Moody make or break year. He is going to get minutes and he is healthy. He just needs to be consisitent on the offense.
It’s too late for Moody. He doesn’t understand the game and he doesn’t have speed nor quickness for his size.
Remember the Warriors tried him at power forward? lol. He has the speed and quickness of a power forward. But he’s 6-5 lol.
This will be Moody‘s fifth year with the Warriors and he’s received four years of chances, practices, summer leagues, individual instruction, All-Star locker rooms, best shooter in the world as his teammate, and all the rest of it.
If you don’t have it between the ears and you don’t have it physically, what else is there?
The one good thing Moody showed coming into last season was a much improved three-point shot. I can tell you that I’m sure he’s worked on it even more this summer and his three ball “should” be very good this season. It better be or he’s not going to get another contract.
“While Giddey wanted a large deal, he and is agent could not find another team willing to give him a competitive offer. That, combined with the lack of cap space remaining around the league, stacked the odds against him. According to ClutchPoints NBA Insider Brett Siegel, Giddey and the Bulls appear to be on the verge of a new deal.“
Rumors are Giddey could sign a three year deal soon. That happens then the money for Kuminga should be clearer. Good news for Warriors ….
link to sports.yahoo.com
Not including Buddy, lols. Like the kings want him, already had Buddy. Also Buddy and Moody don’t have to be included for the Warriors to get Monk and possibly a future first. Sign and trade Kuminga for $25 per works just fine. If it’s DeRozen in a trade it’s one of Buddy or Moody included. Any word on what the latter does for Sacramentos cap or is it a one way street? lols. It wouldn’t be great going forward. Once again the Sam Amicks of this world are spinning the wheels in the mud. Reporting to the masses, the large interest from Warriors fans. So nothing has changed….still the gift that keeps giving. This is a train wreck in slow motion.
BYC. Kuminga counts for 12m not 25M.
So if GSW want to not be hard capped the 19M Monk makes cant be more than 120% of GSW outgoing. You have to have at least 16.5M outgoing to take Monk in and still be able to go to the second apron.
Buddy would have to go to another team with room or a exception, and you probably need to give the other team an asset to take him.
GSW also seem to not want Monk period, so SAC needs to find someone else to take Monk. I think they would have to shed more salary than that in order to pay Kuminga what he wants in the S&T since it would hard cap them and they arent 21M under the first apron.
You tried various different trade machines? Kuminga at $25 per sign and trade for monk works 100%
The threshold for the trade to work where the only players involved are Kuminga and Monk is Kuminga signing a contract for approx $22.6 million or more in the first season. Under that it wouldn’t work given the rules for sign and trades.
Nah, $25per works just fine.
The trade is legal but it hard caps them in a way where they wouldnt even have the money to get to a legal 14 players on the roster. It also kills the Horford/Melton/Curry/GPII deals.
Sounds like a warriors problem…why not just sign Kuminga than trade him before the deadline? Warriors have been dealing this Kuminga situation poorly for years.
It seems odd to me that you’re viewing this as Sac shopping Monk…
They are offering Monk for Kuminga. Not offering Monk around the league. Again, warriors want to have their cake and eat it too.
Don’t want to pay Kuminga – dont want to take trades that dont force other players out – dont want to take trades that add money beyond this year- NEEDS draft capital
The fact that anyone is showing up to their circus is amazing and they seemed unbothered by the turnout.
monk has a 3 year deal for over $60 million. With that type of money they can just offer it to Kuminga. Monk is a 6th man off the bench. Warriors would need to send Heild or Moody to the Kings. Now the Kings are over the cap so they must trade Heild or Moody to get under the cap. So the trade makes 0 sense for either team.
Not to the Kings.
GSW would have to send H or M to a 3rd team.
SAC is 7M below the HC and would be 26M below with Monk outgoing, so if Kuminga gets 22M then they could only take an additional 4M back.
At arc…Nah, they don’t at all.
Kuminga counts for 50% of his outgoing money. All trades in this circumstance are imbalanced and require other players leaving GSW to a 3rd team. The only way the trade works is if Kuminga is outgoing for 10M coming in but making 20M on the new team.
This is why its so hard to make a trade that works for both teams, because base year compensation makes the trade insanely hard to structure.
Kuminga will likely be a Warrior until they can trade his 20M salary for another 20M salary.
Again….why does signing Kuminga for $25 per and trading for Monk work on every single trade machine app or website known to man? You’ve already admitted it’s possible, which is a little different than most BS false narrative reporting, NO?
At B cat…Seems odd to me you assume to be aware of how I was thinking. Where or when did I say Monk was being stopped round the league? You just said SAC are offering Monk to San Fran, let’s go with that, lols.
do I have this right? nobody has made an RFA offer to Kuminga? at this point I dont even care…..stay or go. Just do something
Nobody but BRK has the space to. That is literally the only team that can make any of the 3 RFA that arent Thomas an offer sheet.
Which is why Kuminga has zero leverage
Jalen Green for Kuminga makes sense. Nothing else the Suns or Kings say makes sense, about Kuminga, or anything, really.
Green is a better fit than Beal in Phoenix. I don’t see Kuminga as a fit there. He and Green are similar style players. It’s not about accumulating talent it’s about creating chemistry. Suns have been horrible at it since breaking up their Finals team. Imo if you really want Kuminga. Then you have to move Booker. And now you have a good young core. To build around. Green, Kuminga, Dunn, Maluach.
Imo the offers aren’t going to be great. They should get better as they approach Oct 1st. I don’t understand why Bucks aren’t trying to land Kuminga. He is what Giannis needs. And they have picks to move.
I don’t get why Suns want Kuminga too since they are similar players. Suns owner is a rich guy that has no patience to build a team.
No one’s gonna want booker at 70 plus mill … are they ?
One of the Kardashians or Jenners might. Caitlyn may even throw his hat into the ring.
Jesus Christ. You would think Kuminga was a future hall of famer or something. All of these reports and headaches over a role player who can’t shoot.
Or news makers are still at work while almost nothing is happening, and need to put some sort of article out.
We could just be in the AUG dead time with no news of any relevance other than offseason injurys getting disclosed.
Did they change the rules on S&T? I thought you couldn’t include multiple players in a S&T as the team doing the actual signing and trading, whereas the team receiving the player can trade multiple players back for salary matching purposes .
Not sure if that rule existed at some point in the past, but it doesn’t now and hasn’t for a while.
I think what he’s saying is that the team trading for the signed player in a S&T is allowed to aggregate contracts to match the salary for that player. This is allowed Im pretty sure as this is what the structure would be for Saric/Carter and picks for Kuminga.
I think he sort of said it backwards.
He can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think phillyballers knew aggregation was allowed for the team acquiring the player but wasn’t sure whether the team signing-and-trading the player away (the Warriors in this case) could trade players along with the signed-and-traded player (ie. adding Moody or Hield to Kuminga).
That’s definitely allowed. One recent example: the Knicks’ Towns deal included them trading six players in total — three via “normal” trade and three via sign-and-trade.
Yea it used to be the case that say the Warriors sign Kuminga to 3/75 and then trade him they couldn’t aggregate other players from their side. Whereas say the Suns could put together 3 players to get to 25M.
I feel like that was a rule in the past.
I would rather have Moody and Hield if you told me they were offering to trade Monk straight up for one of them.
Wow.