After making little progress in sign-and-trade talks, the Warriors expect Jonathan Kuminga to be on their roster when the season begins, a source tells Tim Kawakami of The San Francisco Standard.
As a restricted free agent, Kuminga has been involved in a stalemate throughout the summer. No interested teams have enough cap space to make a competitive offer, and no one is willing to give Golden State what it wants in a potential deal. The Kings and Suns have been mentioned most prominently as possible trade partners for the 22-year-old forward, but negotiations have been fruitless so far.
Several sources tell Kawakami that the Warriors have been “unenthusiastic” about the prospect of trading Kuminga since the process began. Owner Joe Lacob remains a huge supporter of Kuminga and isn’t willing to part with him unless the trade package includes “real value.”
Kawakami adds that Lacob is willing to be patient until the situation is resolved. That means there’s no pressure on general manager Mike Dunleavy Jr. to take the best available deal just to have a sense of certainty as training camp nears.
In the absence of an offer sheet from a rival team, Kuminga’s options are limited. He can either accept a reported two-year, $45MM offer from the Warriors that includes a team option for the second season, or he can sign his one-year, $8MM qualifying offer.
Kawakami views the Kings as the best destination for Kuminga and states that he probably would have signed with them by now if he had been unrestricted. Sacramento could offer a definite rotation role and is rumored to be willing to pay him $63MM over three years.
The Kings are reportedly offering Malik Monk and a protected future first-round pick in return, which hasn’t piqued the Warriors’ interest. Sam Amick of The Athletic reported that Golden State wants the pick to be unprotected, and Kawakami is doubtful that the team has interest in giving up Moses Moody or Buddy Hield, as one of them would have to be added to the deal due to base year compensation rules.
Kuminga has until October 1 to accept the qualifying offer, and Kawakami notes that the date can be pushed back if both sides agree. That means there’s no urgency to get a deal in place, especially from the team’s perspective.
Kawakami’s compromise solution is for the Warriors to replace the second-year team option in their proposal with a partially guaranteed year, perhaps around $14MM. That would guarantee Kuminga in excess of $30MM and take away his right to block a trade. Kawakami points out that it would provide a lot more security than taking the QO and would leave Kuminga with a contract that would be easy to move by the February trade deadline.
Kuminga takes QO and traded immediately to a team for a young player and a draft pick. Most teams can’t fit him under the cap at $25 million a year but if he makes $8.9 million and signs a extension for 2/$60 million then he gets back all his money. The team obtaining him only needs to match the $8.9 million in trade so they can offer a young player and a draft pick. That makes teams he can be traded to a lot more than a few that get him under the cap.
If he signs the QO he has a no trade clause.
If Kuminga gets the extension he wants to a team with playing time he will waive it fast.
You really should read more. Info is out there.
you just hate anything that doesn’t fit your opinion. If the info is out there post it.
Wrong ———- One day you should just state facts. And stop putting it on him. Or defending the Warriors actions ….. you are better than this ….
Any team can fit him on their team. All they have to do is clear 12.5 mill in cap space. For a 25 mill contract.
Its the Warriors who can’t fit the 25 mill in their cap.
This is the issue with Kuminga today. And why they are fools to not trade him at the draft or even last yr. Warriors still want to sign players. And there are even stories players are waiting to sign with Warriors. Which can’t happen till Kuminga is settled. Their only hope now is someone comes up with an offer they want. If there is a trade. You can guarantee Kuminga is getting 25 mill or more. Otherwise he would have signed Warriors offer of 45 mill two yrs. Without giving up his Bird rights of course. Warriors would just have to shed salary another way.
Fact is no team wants to go over the first apron. Most teams are at the m limit without going over the apron. So name the teams that can give him a $25 million contract that will not go over the ribbon. Take out the teams with their own RFA that they are negotaiting with. Go0 ahead and show me. take out Utah who has said they do not want to use their cap space for Kuminga.
There are 20 teams that will cut salary to keep Kuminga. If he signs for 25 mill and 12.5 mill goes out. Then that team only has to manage the 12.5 mill. Coming in.
So why should they do it when they can get him straight up for 7.9 mill on Oct 1st. Why are teams going to help the Warriors . You still don’t understand how this was a terrible decision by Warriors to let it get here. You are still making up scenarios to help Warriors look better. Everything you say is from Warriors side. You are not dealing with reality. Wanting or wishing something doesn’t make it true or rational.
name them… Since Kings want Kuminga why don’t they cut a few players and sign him? See you know what you said is not true or your would name all 20 clubs.
> There are 20 teams that will cut salary to keep Kuminga. If he
> signs for 25 mill and 12.5 mill goes out. Then that team only
> has to manage the 12.5 mill. Coming in.
Brilliant! Was this an AI’s answer to: “Create a statement about Jonathan Kuminga so packed with untruth and misunderstanding that nobody will be able to respond.”
Al, do you ever read the articles you post under? It would save you so much typing.
Kuminga to Chicago for Vuecuc and Noa
@arc89 All of that seems completely contradictory to the above article, doesn’t it?
To me the article is saying OK Kings you don’t want to give us a real deal that helps both teams then you can negotiate against every team that wants him after he signs the QO. There is very few teams that they can trade him to right now that has cap space. Also gives Kuminga agent a reset to find a team that only can take in $9 million but is willing to give him an extension once traded.
@arc89 if you’re referring to the Kawakami article, that isn’t remotely close to what it said.
The article, basically, says:
– Lacob has never wanted to trade Kuminga, and will continues not to unless it’s a fabulous offer.
– GSW never expected a fabulous offer, and none happened.
– Expect Lacob to sign Kuminga to a multi-year offer before the season starts.
– Do not expect Lacob to lose Kuminga.
I just don’t see why Kuminga would want to sign with the warriors? Even lacob knows Kuminga doesn’t want to be here.
This article also says Owner Joe Lacob remains a huge supporter of Kuminga and isn’t willing to part with him unless the trade package includes “real value.”
As it stands now the 2 teams that want Kuminga doesn’t want to trade real value to the warriors. So its a stale mate. Once the QO happens the trade market for teams open up and the warriors can get value for him.
> As it stands now the 2 teams that want Kuminga doesn’t want
> to trade real value to the Warriors.
It’s time to stop saying this, arc. There is no deal involving the Kings or Suns that doesn’t make the Warriors worse this upcoming season. That has nothing to do with Kuminga.
Trading for Monk means the Warriors get hard-capped at the first apron (which further limis them) and also have to give up Moody or Hield. Result: this team is much worse than last year’s.
Same applies to Phoenix. ChapmansVaccuum explained this thoroughly 2 days ago.
All the deals make the warriors cap situation worse for this year and next year. They can’t go over the 1st apron because it hurts their future which is what they are protecting right now.
See you guys are talking about rumors of What owners and Warriors want. The same stuff for how long now. Kuminga has been jerked around for three years now. He isn’t signing an extension unless its a massive overpay. And Warriors can’t do that cause of cap space. The salary cap is not working with the Warriors now. There is no way of keeping him. But the main thing none of you get ——-
Is Warrior want to fill out their roster. That can’t happen till Kuminga is signed. And right now from Warriors perspective. that means best course of action is the QO. Is that so hard to see. You keep talking about other teams and Kuminga value. All this is about salary cap space for Warriors. And the fact is …….. it’s looking more and more like the best path to that is a QO. That is what this is about now. Reality
Why are you guys talking about Rumors on Hoops Rumors?…Im with AL on this one
Weird how every little nuance to player’s contracts benefit the owners. From caps to aprons to QOs to luxury tax payment distributions somehow the primary benefactor is always the owners. I’ll admit the new CBA is interesting in it’s own way but player’s and stars being forced to new teams for financial reasons isn’t fun. And when the novelty wears off I think everyone will slowly start to realize how bad of a deal the CBA is in its current form – for everyone but the owners of course. Maybe I’m just the old man yelling at clouds…
Pretty spot on
Ill add Max guys are surely benefiting from this Cba and the players need to look into their player reps a tad more (*Dont like the Cj move currently, he seems like a company man which they dont need any more of )
Also Rfa’s of the past were probably overpaid a bit (just Imo) – I dont have a problem with GSW wanting to keep JK sub 25 or Nets Cam sub 20…In the past they kinda got those asks based on upside and upside alone and many of those deals ended poorly.
Today the downside of a bloated contract kinda defeats the upside so we are where we are and I actually kinda find the current RFA market as a healthier one than years past despite all the remaining ones today
But your overall point of suppressing def stands. But know that this was ALL small market doings, and its currently hurting small market teams mostly…hell both La teams and Mia pretty flush on the cap sheet currently moving forward ….GSW doesn’t have a dollar on the books for 2027. Those teams are going to EAT soon
> GSW doesn’t have a dollar on the books for 2027. Those teams
> are going to EAT soon
I agree with the most all of your post except the inference that teams with lots of cap space will want to fill it with FA signings.
Well-run organizations don’t believe that’s the way to build a contending team. Instead, these teams want to build around younger players, and exploit rookie extensions. Also, the ciites in states with high income tax (CA, NY, Massachussets, etc) know that they are at a disadvantage attracting the non-superstar FA’s.
(OT: the Kawakami article shows that Lacob’s biggest consideration continues to be 2026 and beyond, and not this season. As a business, the Warriors cannot survive 3 years as a bottom feeder, maybe not even 2 years. Fans don’t $800/ticket to watch a 20 win team. It’ll cost them $500M-$750M in annual revenue.)
One of the reasons the warriors want a 1st round draft pick included in a deal for Kuminga. Not a pick 5 years from now. The warriors know they need to rebuild and get more draft picks.
Agree that No team wants to build off of cap but as currently stands thats kinda how all 4 teams stand-
They will control the markets
Its def nice to have those rookie exts but for every Okc theres 5 failed projects spinning their wheels
Important to note cap goes well beyond free agency, when your getting a manufactured twist and tug from player and now your trying to slip an apron these small market teams will again be leveraged from many different angles
Small market over shot their target, I understand the fear that the Lacobs Ballmers Ishbias and future Walters put into them but Imo the 2nd half of this Cba will heavily favor those Big market teams who have all cleaned (purposefully) their books in anticipation
Reality is Curry retires in 2 or 3 years. When he does its a complete rebuild which will takes some time. There is no more a 2 time line for the team. Even if you have cap sapce to sign an all star it takes a bench to go along with a starting 5 to win. So even with cap space you got to get real lucky with signing teh right players and drafting the right players.
Id take the over on 3 years w Curry
Id also wager GSW will have another bonified All- Star to start the 27/28 season out the gates who is not on the team today
They’ll have a solid bench to go with it as well Imo
If Curry does peace out in 2 years, stricken everything I just said HA
Cap & Crunch got it right. Max players benefit too. The stars took over the Union several years back. Same percentage of revenue goes to the players, it just who it is distributed to that has changed.
Dude. No. The NBA CBA is the most favorable to players of any sport by miles and miles and miles.
Not true imo. MLB doesn’t even have a cap.
Seam that’s a terrible argument considering how predatory the other models are. But you’re not entirely wrong either. It’s important to consider revenue from going over the tax isn’t part of the equation when you look at the 53% figure everyone loves to point to. Also most favorable /= fair or right or good or anything but not as shi**y as something else that’s also shi**y. You can use that standard, I find it distasteful and impractical personally.
As Horford and Melton wait!
Vuecuc, Phillips and Matas for Kuminga
Then Chicago offers Noa and picks for Cam Thomas. Maybe offer something for Grimes
Chicago would have
PG. Giddy
SG. Thomas
SF. Patrick Williams or Grimes or Kuminga
PF. Kuminga or Jalen Smith
C.? And maybe trade Patrick Williams for a C starter the ages from 22-23
Joking
Can somebody please hook @KnickerbockerAl up with Joe Lacob so Knicker can tell Joe that Joe doesn’t care about Jonathan Kuminga? And also that Joe never has cared about Jonathan Kuminga.
I muted him months ago. Dude isn’t able to write a coherent sentence, but yet he never stops posting.
Tell that to aristotle ….. the self proclaimed Warriors guru. Its been three years of whining Warriors fans. And even when the end is here. They are still whining about his value ….
This stand off is all the Warriors doing. They knew he was coming to his RFA year. They know the by-laws of new cap. They know their salary cap issues. The reason Warriors have offered 45 mill two years. Is this way they still have room to sign Horford and other. The reason they want him to give up his Bird rights. Is cause he will be easier to move right away. They don’t want him on roster for a prolonged time. This is all about the Warriors———. Has nothing to do with Kuminga.
Warriors have till Oct 1st to figure it out. Better offers should come. There has only been two offers. So they have time. Warriors don’t want to go over 22 mill a year. Therefore making a trade value at 11 mill. If he signs QO then the value of trade goes down to 7,9 mill.
And Warriors don’t want to carry a disgruntled Kuminga till TD. So they would be taking a chance.
He could just refuse all trades and become a UFA. And really put it to Warriors. So Warriors have to be careful and smart here.
Al, don’t get your knickers in a twist. Read the article.
Lacob is going to hold on to Kuminga. He has been saying since this December that he expects to go over the first apron. The Warriors can afford it.
It’s called negotiating. On both sides. GSW just wants to squeeze out every million they can because there is so little margin to work with.
NBA should honestly get rid of the cap. This is mind boggling.
As time goes by and veteran players are waiting on his decision, JK depleting his value by showing his stubbornness against a class A organization.
Warriors know him the best, and if 45M/2yr (team option second yr) is all they’re willing to offer him, then that’s exactly what he’s worth – jimmy butler or not.
Dude has no middie or 3pt shot.. Athleticism declines quicker than shooting.. This is the warriors dude, you gotta be a shooter.. Get real.