Jonathan Kuminga won’t join the Warriors for media day as his contract standoff with the team drags on, sources tell Anthony Slater and Shams Charania of ESPN. Kuminga didn’t make the trip to San Francisco for today’s event, and it doesn’t appear he’ll be with the team when practice begins on Tuesday.
Slater and Charania report that Golden State general manager Mike Dunlevy Jr. reached out to Kuminga’s agent, Aaron Turner, on Sunday, but it doesn’t seem that a deal is any closer to being finalized.
The three contract offers the Warriors made this summer all remain on the table, but Kuminga hasn’t shown an inclination to accept any of them. They are two years at $45MM and three years at $75.2MM, which both contain team options on the final season, or three years with no team option at the reduced rate of $54MM.
Kuminga is hoping for a player option, and sources tell the authors that he sent a message to the team saying he would consider that a sign of goodwill after “years of confusion” about his role. He also cited an expectation that he will continue to have uneven playing time and will likely be put on the trade market if he re-signs with Golden State.
Kuminga’s main leverage throughout negotiations has been the threat that he will accept the team’s one-year, $8MM qualifying offer, which would make him an unrestricted free agent next summer. That option is set to expire after Wednesday, and there reportedly haven’t been any discussions about moving the deadline.
The Warriors have kept numerous roster moves on hold throughout the offseason while trying to reach a new deal with Kuminga, but several upcoming signings were reported on Sunday.
There’s more on the Warriors:
- The addition of Al Horford in free agency gives Golden State a starting center who’s a consistent three-point threat for the first time in recent memory, writes Dalton Johnson of NBC Sports Bay Area. Horford shot 36.3% from beyond the arc last season and made 114 three-pointers, the second-highest total of his career, even though he only played 60 games. Johnson sees Horford as a positive influence on Quinten Post, who displayed a reliable three-point shooting stroke once he began getting consistent playing time in January.
- The Warriors will save some money by signing 2025 second-round pick Will Richard to a standard deal, notes Keith Smith of Spotrac (Twitter link). Richard’s new four-year contract will only count $1.3MM toward the salary cap, while an undrafted rookie or a free agent with a year of service would have been $2.3MM.
- ESPN’s Bobby Marks offers a detailed look at Golden State’s finances, noting that the team can only offer Kuminga up to $23MM this season if it plans to carry 15 standard contracts (Twitter link).
- The Warriors announced several promotions and additions in their basketball operations department, including making Nicholas Kerr an assistant coach after he spent the past two seasons as head coach of the team’s G League affiliate in Santa Cruz.
Everyone wonders why they announced all these signings before the players actually signed? Here’s your answer. Media day, photo opportunities, etc. Can’t have a team photo with seven guys lol
Might have to do what they are talking about with Grimes – waive no trade take a higher 1 year salary and lose bird rights
Also extremely obvious is Everyone who said he’s taking the QO is wrong. If that was the plan, he’d be on the team for the season and he would be here for picture day.
But it’s not the plan it’s the bluff. The plan is take the money and get traded.
Nobody passes up $30 million based on principal, no matter what the guys on the radio say.
He’ll be traded in the next 48 hours to the Sacramento Kings for DeMar DeRozan and a second round pick. Throw in Moses moody and not Buddy Hield for salary matching and away we go.
He will take the QO because he knows the W’s intend to salary dump him to a bad team next off-season so they can chase Giannis and others, and the team option makes him more tradeable. With a team option that’s two full seasons in Charlotte or DC or a Giannis-less Bucks. He wants to avoid that, so he’ll give up a few million this season in exchange for no-trade power and unrestricted free agency next June. He’ll make most of that money back. He’s giving the W’s to the last minute to change their minds. He holds all the cards.
That’s the more popular opinion Seamaholic. Definitely.
You might be right, but I just cannot see anyone giving up $30 million and on top of that his agent either agreeing with him or spawning the idea originally. I just can’t see it.
We’ll see how it goes. Go Warriors !! I’m pretty excited to see how this blends together. Not much of a roster, but fingers crossed for a good result.
Honestly he’s going to a bad team regardless. Most teams don’t have cap room and the ones that do are tanking or are clearing the decks.
Any decent team won’t sign him to a big contract because frankly, he’s currently a bench player.
I really see him as a mid-level signing next year id he accepts the QO. Which front office is willing to make that gamble? Especially since you haven’t really seen much and this entire thing with his agent would make one leery.
If he takes the QO he cant be traded this year without losing his bird and a ton of money on top of what he gives up this season taking the QO.
Why wouldnt he want to go to a bad team? If he goes to a good team he will be in the same boat. He wont be starting for sure, and will get benched if he plays bad. He wants a situation where winning doesnt matter, he gets to be the star, and he gets to put up counting stats, even if they are super inefficient. Mostly he wants to get out of crashing the boards by being “the guy” on a bad team.
Oh waaaaaahhhh I had my playing time fluctuate as an inefficient 20 year old on a team contending. Also refused to do what the coaches told me too in order to earn more. Pay your f***ing dues kid. Nobodys given s*** for free in this league, you gotta take playing time with your play.
Some people do not look past stats and think because a OK player on a bad team will score a lot more than on a good team because when you are way behind defense don’t care about a team making it a 20 point game.
As they say, somebodys gotta score the 100pts a night…
I don’t see him taking a 3/54 with out a team option, no mention of a player option, over a 3/75 team option. Whoever trades for him is going to give him opportunity to live up to that contract. And worst case it’s a 2/50M and he is a FA and probably can get more than 4M from someone.
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Personally, I’ll be shocked if there’s a last minute S&T, no matter what players might be involved.
By all reports Horford is taking more than midlevel. Considering they are saying he will start. The midlevel is 5.7 mill. So there is no way they can pay Kuminga more than 20 mill. Sign the other FAs. Which they are committed to now. And stay under the second apron. Seems obvious he will sign the QO. It’s the only offer out there. And only way they stay under the apron.
Any trade involving Kuminga is at 50% value of money. Keep dreaming though. You do have 48 hrs …..
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Can’t give Horford more than MLE. And if they give more than the taxpayer limit of the MLE (5.7M), they will be hard capped at the first apron.
Alex it sounds like they gave Al a 3 year deal but I bet the third year is a way to pay him later. The warriors will have a lot of cap space for teh third year so they can buy him out and its like a bonus.
Others are saying it’s 2 years with a player option on the 2nd (which would allow a return to the Celtics with Tatum back).
Can’t the Warriors just pay Horford to plant trees?
No, silly, they pay him NOT to plant trees!
Can’t he take 8 mill. If Kuminga is signing the QO. I’ve seen reports his deal is multi year and at 7.5, 10 mill a year. Cause Warriors expect him to start. Seems right if he will start. To get more than midlevel.
The problem is not the salary, it’s the MECHANISM. Warriors have zero cap room already, so they can only pay above the vet minimum via the MLE. And if they use more than the taxpayer portion of the MLE ($5.7M), it hard caps them at the First Apron. If Kuminga takes the QO, they could do that, but not if they sign him at $20M or thereabouts.
That requires MM or BH to go to a third team that can take them without sending back any salary. Which team is that going to be?
Report says Dunleavey reached out, but no movement.
Odds of signing QO up, odds of signing extension down.
Ridiculous.
He’ll be in LA by XMas. Hello Dalton Knecht.
Dalton Knecht and ..?
Has to be a three-way with either Phoenix and or Sacramento. Those are the two teams for willing to take this kid on and invest time into developing him, or they see something he can provide today that’s worth $21 million.
Not 3 teams. Watch the Lakers. It’s been reported since early July, and LA media has been all over it lately.
As soon as the QO is signed, you only need $8M of matching salary to trade for him. The Warriors will want to trade him ASAP. Bad vibes. He has veto rights, so he can choose the other team(s). It’ll feel like robbery, but that’s where we are.
I’m going to lose my mind if you people cannot get through your thick skulls that if he signs the QO he WILL NOT be traded. There is not one single argument you can make that points to that being even a possibility, much less the likely outcome.
@Boner
I’ll tell you why and how he gets traded. I’m relaying this from the same sources that said in early July that he would be signing the QO.
Why? Because if the Warriors don’t, they get zero when the season ends. And the Warriors will not want to keep him around now because of the bad vibes.
How? The conversations with OTHER teams than the ones that could make S&T (like Sac and Pho) offers have already happened. As in, “once the season starts, we can acquire you for $8M in matching, and then sign you to the multi-year at $27M/yr after”.
SAC may be one of those teams. The Lakers are reportedly one of those teams. Maybe Chicago.
He wont get traded on a QO unless its to a team with cap space. If he approves a trade on the QO his bird goes away and he maxes at 120% of 8M. He is a UFA with full bird that transfers in a S&T next offseason if he stays. It would be idiotic to approve a deal to SAC where they will be capped out mid season because his new deal would max at like 4/52M.
I’m not following. What exactly is it that prevents him from being a UFA at the end of this season?
He would play the full season on GSW, because of the other stuff. It would only work for him if a team like WAS trades for him, and then uses some of its cap space to resign him since his bird wouldnt come into play then. If he goes to SAC he gets 4/52 ballpark as the max they can offer him until season 3 with them.
So it would be nuts for him to approve a deal except to certain locations where he could still get paid.
Oh my god. Please stop. Please just look at the facts and what they spell out.
Fact 1: Kuminga wants to be paid more than low 20 million annually. Fact 2: If he signs the QO he can veto any trade he wants. Fact 3: If he choses not to veto a trade to literally any team in the NBA, he CANNOT make more than 120% of the QO he signed from his new team.
Instead of continuing to have a meltdown, I will just ask that you confirm those are the facts and then tell me what that spells out to you.
Kerr may not have the patience for him. You may not be able to see his worth playing in this system. Basketball is not about the Warriors. Kuminga has shown his worth as a wing. He just needs to get away from this team. I guess I could have been wrong about your hate. You really can’t see talent.
Kecht can’t play defense but we will take Vanderbilt instead.
Arc you’ll take nothing and like it. Thats what the FO has decided. It could not be more clear.
why would you take a player you don’t need and not that good?
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
Kuminga is not going to LA. The Lakers fans would revolt.
Since it all began, I thought that Kuminga would sign some kind of extension, either designed for him to be traded or to stay longer term in GS. And I still believe that. I never thought anyone would sign him to an offer sheet (because nobody signs offer sheets anymore), and that the probabilities of QO and sign-and-trade are very low.
If he takes that QO, it’ll be a big deal. It will affect a lot of things, like rookie extensions that are yet to happen, trades of players that teams are not sure of etc. A 22 y.o. with a lot of upside, who’s the 7th pick in a very strong draft, taking the QO would be a big deal.
It’s also likely to be the biggest mistake by a RFA since Schroder bet on himself and lost $49.5 mil in his next 4 years after turning down $80 mil from the Lakers.
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Possibly. Kuminga’s agent doesn’t strike me as the most shrewd person around, lol. He could easily lead Kuminga to ruin.
But I don’t like to bring up that Schroder comparison – there’s been talk that the 80mil offer never actually happened.
If Kuminga takes the QO, he’d be in the same boat as any other player going into the final year of the contract without an extension. Take Coby White at Chicago. He can sign 4/89, but thinks he’ll get a lot more next summer. If something happens to him or he falls out of favour, he’s not getting that money and will lose out. He’s not the most desired archetype of player in the current NBA.
Anyway, I don’t understand why GS wouldn’t try to sign Kuminga to 4/80-85-90 with no options on either side, for example. It was reported he’d take that kind of deal from Phoenix and Sacramento. Why not try to offer it to him if you’re GS? It would be a very good value, actually. The cap will go up. In a couple of years, MLE and high first-round picks will be making around $20m. Kuminga at his age and size would be both tradable and desirable under that contract, even if he doesn’t become a star.
“But I don’t like to bring up that Schroder comparison – there’s been talk that the 80mil offer never actually happened.”
Schroder has said it, admitted what a mistake it was, and fired his agent as a result. That’s enough for me.
The Warriors don’t want to keep him any more than he wants to be on the team, so they’ve offered an overpay with a team option and his market value with no options. Otherwise they’d just be bidding against themselves.
Well, fair enough. Maybe GS front office think that 20-25mil is overpay for JK.
But personally, I don’t.
I’d like to see what Mathurin signs for. His situation and stats in 24-25 were very similar to those of JK’s in 23-24. High lottery pick, not a starter, kind of doesn’t suit the team and their defined style of play, very similar per game and per 100 possessions stats, some big performances but also some frustrating ones, quite a lot of upside still.
Advanced stats are less kind to Mathurin than to JK. Lets see how much he gets.
It’s clearly an overpay currently because a much better Giddey set the market and he’s getting the same money even though it’s not 4 years.
I mean I think they want to give him 20/21 year 1 if possible and then have it ascend, which may be why the team option year 3 has less appeal if they are already back loading it as much as possible to keep flexibility this season. If he takes 20M they can sign a 15th and still have room for another vet min if someone gets hurt and they waive them or get a DPTE.
Phoenix was only offering 2nds. Sac was only offering a heavily protected 1st in the next decade. Not exactly what you would get for a player with a lot of upside.
Well actually the Warriors are about to get nothing for him so…
Last time I checked, something > nothing
Being drama free is something. Addition by subtraction.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Are you familiar with who’s on the roster?
Yes boner boy, I am familiar with the roster. I am also familiar with the results. JK played his best ball with Draymond at the 5. They went 28-7 with Butler. You can’t say the same about Kuminga.
Riiiiiight. Let’s ignore the fact that Jimmy and Draymond are ticking drama nukes and let’s say that JK is a drama queen for not getting bullied by his own team.
Unreal.
Schroder was not an RFA. I swear to lord above, this has been the only story of the offseason for months. The fact that almost nobody on here is able to grasp the facts of the situation is mind boggling.
You’re correct, my comment was poorly worded (I was only talking about Kuminga).
Schroder wason an expiring contract and the 4 yr offer was for a contract extension.
After he declined it, he was a UFA, and signed for the MLE with the Celtics. I’m not sure why you think the difference between RFA and UFA status is the key factor, rather than the mistake by not taking the $.
I’ve had this conversation with you on a post from 4 or 5 days ago. I encourage you to see my response. My mind is too tied in knots from this comment section to get into that whole thing again. Especially considering comparing JK to Schroder makes zero sense until after Kuminga signs another deal.
All the other RFA did not get a max deal and even Giddey who is better than Kuminga at this point didn’t get a max deal. Sometimes agents use their player for their ego trip.
Kuminga is showing the rest of the NBA he is not a team player. He only cares about the money and his excuse of having a player option shows its about the money. The player option is a insurance policy for him in case he fails to draw other teams. There got to be one team out there willing to trade the warriors something of value for him.
Being about the money is fine with me. We’re all about the money. Going for the money is not a bad thing in my mind.
In the working world we are all free agents. I’ll go work for the guy across the street if he’ll give me more money. Especially when I’m young. Satisfaction at work comes later And the salary doesn’t matter as much. But we are all about the money.
The scary thing here and the HUGE red flag is that JK wants to go to “his” situation. He has a list of requirements for the team who signs him to this big money.
You figure if you give a guy big money that you would then be able to determine the role necessary for the team.
But JK and his agent want to dictate his role too?
And we wonder why we’re in this conundrum at the end of September with camps opening tomorrow.
Kuminga camp wants to force the warriors to trade him is my feelings. Its also not coming from Kuminga because he is only 22 and would love to be around his teamamtes. This is his agent using Kuminga to make statement. Kuminga is the only player the agent represents. So if he gets the warriors to fold he can say to other palyers look what I got for my guy. So far he has failed so he is using Kuminga to save face. Its a shame that Kuinga is letting him be used by the agent.
It’s always about the blame game with Warriors fans. Even down to the last days you can’t help yourselves. You have called him every name in the book. For the past two yrs. And put all the blame on him. Like true fans.
DaveyJ got more sense than the wagoneers ….
Am i blaming Kuminga? NO I am blaming his agent. Come on Al even you know his agent has not been rational and it hurts Kuminga reputation not even showing up for media day. If he was a Knick and refusing to show up you would not be praising Kuminga.
His agent is him. You are questioning his intelligence and integrity. Only been two years of this. Don’t let me stop you.
His agent is doing a horrible job. I am questioning his agent. Why shouldn’t I question him? To use a player to build your rep as an agent is wrong.
Thats your assumption. Don’t let that stop you. You don’t care what you say about him
Come on Al you come here and assume a lot of things pretending to be a expert more than the fans of the team that know what is going on.
I can promise you almost 0 “Warriors fans” on these boards have no expertise on anything the FO is doing. Im not even convinced the FO knows what the FO is doing.
His agent is doing what Kuminga asks bud. Agents don’t operate on free will. They’re hired by the player to get that player as much as they feel they can. Agents can certainly influence athletes into making decisions, but to act like Kuminga is silently suffering while his agent holds him hostage is ridiculous.
He loves his teammates. Oh god.
Being a fan of the team does not obligate someone to be a fan of every player on the roster (and their agent). And BTW, Kuminga is NOT on the roster right now. He stopped being a Warrior when the season ended.
Gary, I strongky disagree with you on that one.
It’s absolutely the right thing to have honest discussions with every prospective team about your role. That’s planning for success. The goal is not merely to get the biggest contract, but also to increase your value for the next ones.
Mark Spears reports that both the Kings’ president and head coach told Kuminga in person that he would be their starting PF. Kuminga didn’t ask for that, but that would rightly increase the true value of signing with the Kings.
If the Kings like him so much why are they not offering anything of value for him? Come on now even saying Ellis is not tradeable. Not even a 1st round top ten 1st round picked offered. Doesn’t sound like they want him as much as they pretend to. We will see if they up the offer for him before Oct 1st.
arc89, I’ll take Malik Monk in a heartbeat (and the protected FRP is icing on the cake).
Monk is a big-time bucket-getter, and the Warriors have no bench scoring with Kuminga gone.
The problem is the complications around the cap, not that Sac doesn’t want him.
monk’s problem is he makes too much money beacuse it would cost them Heild too. Maybe the Kings don’t want Heild. I don’t see teams lining up to do a 3 way or 4 way and take Monk in a deal. like I said before a few injuries from some teams and Kuminga gets traded. Kuminga need to realize he is not as wanted as his gaent thinks he is.
Kings cant take back Hield too. They may have to move more than Monk to make the money work for Kuminga.
It has to be Hield to a team with space to absorb him since JK counts for his full contract for SAC.
True so how does it benefit the warriors if they lose 2 player and a draft pick just to get Monk? Doesn’t sound like a good deal to me.
Monks money goes out to ’28 as well…
arc, no it’s us that gets the protected first from SAC, not the other way around. Kuminga + Moody for Monk + protected 1st. That’s the Sac deal as I read it.
That is a horrible trade. Moody is still getting better. He played very well before getting hurt. The 1st rounder is the worse pick of the 2 1st round picks Kings have between their pick and SAS. So you are looking at a pick in the back half of the first round more likely 25th or even worse. Its a horrible deal for the warriors.
arc, see my response, below.
Monk doesn’t make too much money. $18M/yr for 17 ppg. He was offered significantly more than that last summer from Orlando and others. That’s a team-friendly contract.
I don’t buy the “clear the books for 2027-28” story as a reason not to get Monk. Jimmy and Draymond are gone, which already clears $85M. Buddy and Horford are gone as well, so we’re up to $100M. That’s plenty.
I don’t think the player option in 27/28 is why the deal is not made. Its because the warriors would need to give up another player just to bring Monk in. If you are going to give monk that much money might as well cave and give the money to Kuminga.
Monk makes $18M/yr. It’s considered a team-friendly contract.
We just disagree on Monk. To me he is a 6th man off the bench and never a starter. He can be a productive player but I feel Melton could put up the same numbers if he stays healthy.
I agree, he’s mainly a 6th man, not a starter, but he’s one of the best in the league. That’s indisputably worth $18M/yr. The Warriors need such a player desperately, especially given the age of their starters and with Kuminga leaving. They have little offense off the bench now.
Monk also fits the Warriors’ offense perfectly. He’s an elite movement shooter (unlike Moody, Kuminga, or Podz). He can break a defense down. As a facilitator, he’s great at finding cutters off the live dribble. Very similar to Melton in these ways. Monk can serve the role Jordan Poole did in 2021-22: offense off the bench and PG when Steph is unavailable.
All that about Malik Monk is true Ari.
But for some reason, the Warriors want to have a clean slate after the next two seasons are finished. Monk has that third year at around $20 million. There’s something about that they don’t like.
They don’t want to have a “clean slate”. That’s been misunderstood. Instead, they want to have a huge amount of cap space with an inexpensive young core and tradable assets.
Butler, Draymond, Horford, and Hield will be off the books. That’s $105M on its own — basically 2 max contracts.
Monk’s $20M deal will still be team friendly and highly movable. He’s only 27 years old.
I think they assume that Steph will still be around based on what he has publicly said. They havent signed the 1 year max as soon as he was eligible. I dont know if he is considering taking a pay cut to help the roster? Draymond will be resigned to a deal if he is still productive I would assume, but what that deal is I can only guess. I would think Dray may retire if his play falls off, since he doesnt seem like the type to just stick around as the wheels fall further off. A bunch of the young players will be getting money around then, but lots have small cap holds they can sit on while the team uses space.
I think if the Kings could have gotten value for Monk they would have, so unless he increases his value he is probably at best a neutral asset.
@chapman, yes, they are assuming Steph will still be here, which still leaves $105M in expiring — almost enough to sign both Giannis and Jokic :–)
If Steph retires (heaven forbid), that would mean ~$170M in expirings.
Realistically, if you’re retaining 40 year old Steph, you’re not chasing anybody over 32 years old in 2027-28.
I wouldnt be shocked though if Steph added like 1/30M to his deal, since he is already closing in on a B with all his other endorsements, and the Curry shoe and clothing line becoming a sub brand that he co-owns like Jordan brand.
He doesnt like it probably, and god knows he deserves far more than they have paid him, but I think he knows what this CBA means for roster building, and I think competing means more to him than an extra .04% of his net worth or whatever.
You would hope that Moody/Post/Hield are a good chunk of offense off the bench.
I would guess based on what MTIII said recently that the starters are Curry/Podz/Butler/Green/Horford.
I don’t think Brandin starts.
There’s not enough shooting with this lineup.
You have to have Buddy Hield or if you keep him, Moses Moody starting for his three-point shot.
When curry gets doubled, you need another outlet besides Al Horford.
I think Podz is a better shooter than Moody. He started the season in a mask with a broken nose, got in a funk and in his head, and struggled. Once he had the injury break he came back shooting well, and continued to up until when he hurt his wrist in the middle of the first round series. He is much better defensively than Buddy, and is the best play maker of the 3 so that you can put him and Dray in the pick and roll with Steph/Horford off ball. His rebounding and charge taking are valuable as well. He is probably part of the first wave of subs with Hield coming in, and then he is the PG in the bench unit.
I bet Kerr starts him at SG.
Also if Moody Post Hield is your bench, you’re going to get destroyed during those minutes.
You need Podski out there with those guys for his leadership, grit, ability to shoot a little bit and get to the hole a little bit and his defense.
Of course, Melton and.., well.., and.., you know what…, the Warriors bench sucks. There is no “and.” There is no guy. Seventh seed at best. Please bring in DeMar DeRozan.
If Melton can stay healthy I see him putting uop some strong numbers as the 6th man. So the warriors will need to resign him next year to a much bigger contract. They are keeping the payroll open after next season so they must have plans on a good rebuild with free agents.
I mean if Melton is back and healthy I think they would shift him into starting later in the season with the hope you build up the workload for the playoffs, after nursing him along to begin with.
Moody/Post/Hield as your 6,7,8 signals a very weak bench and a 42 win season given how much they’ll have to play.
Agreed on your starting lineup.
Good scoring and spacing with JK/Podz. The rest of the roster either starts the year hurt or are matchup specific guys that you probably want to limit the min of for health reasons.
Probably a mix and match of Dray/Horford/Post/TJD sharing equal min at the 5 unless one of the kids pushes for more playing time with their play.
I’m writing off JK for the moment, respecting that you disagree, because I believe he is gone by XMas.
Until he isnt a GSW I think he plays. How much will depend on his attitude and production, but I dont think its in his interest even on the QO to cause to many problems, or not try to do what he can to earn min and show off for teams.
Agree, he won’t cause problems, but even though they’ll need a big wing and size in the front-court, I don’t see Kerr investing in a player he knows is gone.
JK will be last off the bench behind Moody, Buddy, GP2, Melton, and Post. He’ll be their 11th man. It’ll be the same as when Kerr benched him after game 2 of last season, up until he broke through around XMas time: he’ll.get big minutes when a starter is out and they need scoring, but about 12-14 minutes otherwise.
Christmas? JK will be gone by the time you wake up Wednesday morning.
Takes two to tango. I dont think they like the offer from SAC. I dont see that changing enough to make them pull the trigger. JK will take one of the deals on the table, because he would be crazy not to. I think the team may give him a partial guarantee on the 3rd year while keeping the team option, and that will get it done.
@Ari
That offer was before the new CBA really started effecting the market. He will make like 21M the final year, and teams are far less likely to pay that much for a bad defense bench scorer, which is all he really is.
I dont know how much cap space they really want to preserve, I would bet they dont either till they get a better idea of who might be available. I just think they really dont want bad contracts, and they see Monk as a deal that you must attach something too in order to move. No teams have wanted him this summer and he has been available for the whole offseason.
I dont even know if the other offers were real, or if his agent just played the FO in SAC. Which would you think is the truth?
I also like Moody more with 2 more years at his price than Monk.
@chapman, It sounds like we both watch/follow the Kings a lot.
I definitely believe Orlando pursued Monk over KCP last summer, and offered Monk first for ~$24M. He has an affinity for SAC and Mike Brown, I believe.
If there is 1 player on the Kings I’d like for the Dubs, other than Sabonis, it would be Monk. (See my comments on his game, above). As a terrific movement shooter and passer off the dribble, he fits our offense perfectly. I believe you’d see similar, immediate success to what we saw with Porter, Devincenzo and Melton. But, mostly, Monk gives us offense when Steph isn’t on the floor.
I like Moody, but, let’s face it, he’s not a great fit in this offense, so Kerr will always be looking to replace him. He’s a stationary shooter, doesn’t dribble well, and doesn’t read the defense fast enough. Melton and Buddy will both play ahead of him this year.
All three of those players are far better defenders than Monk, and better from 3pt albeit on easier attempts.
They also just already have a ton of smaller guards, and I think it would be borderline executive malpractice to trade one, or in these scenarios two of the players 6’6″ or taller for another small guard.
I think the malpractice already happened. Our roster construction defies every rule.
The theme of this roster is “oldest, smallest, least athletic, and least available”.
You know they’re not bothered by any of those distinctions because they all applied last season, and, yet, GSW has doubled down this off-season.
Out: Looney, Kuminga
In: Horford, Will Richard
Back: Melton, GP2
No big wings, no 3pt defenders no rim protection, almost no rebounding.
Ask yourself what happens when Horford or Draymond is out, much less both of them. We don’t have a PF on this roster. And who backs up Jimmy?
You play Steph and Dray at 1 and 5 in moments that matter. You will always be old and small as long as they are your core lols.
I like what they have done this offseason within the context it was done in. I also think they are very much wanting to see what they have with some of the younger guys, and then modify the roster since they have a lot of different ways they can make moves. Like PJ Washington may come available if DAL sputters, or even a goggled AD :P.
What big wings could they have gotten after using the TPMLE on Horford? Horford is the only real signing thats not a vet min, and I didnt see any of the players your talking about get traded this offseason besides Cam, and matching his money, and an unprotected DEN 1st in the 2030s wasnt that feasible.
I would argue Melton is the best 2 way wing you could get with the resources at their disposal. Although I would love Avdija if they could swing it at a workable cost.
@ChapmansV
I can’t imagine anyone agreeing with your absurd claim that Melton is a “2 way wing”. He’s a 6’2″ combo guard.
He is a combo guard with super long arms that can switch on a big off ball since he will disrupt your ability to pass to them, and may be the best on ball defender on the roster. He can shoot the 3 well and handle the ball as a secondary creator. He is an undersized wing that plays up in size with his skill set, if healthy…
LMAO – he’s in no way whatsoever reasonably called a “wing”.
HE’S 6.2″ TALL!!
You calling him a wing is simply ridiculous.
Smh!
Gary Payton is a three and D forward and he is 6-2 as well. He’s very athletic and he’s successful in that role.
It helps that it’s the only role he can play offensively, so he better be good at it.., whereas Melton can shoot a little bit handle the ball a little bit do a bunch of other stuff a little bit.
> He’s a 6’2″ combo guard.
That, unfortunately, is true.
Melton guards PG’s very well, SG’s not so much.
Our backcourt is really, really small.
Butler, Draymond, Horford/Post are at least reasonable to round it out at the size they play.
While I appreciate the love for Monk, do not make up lies to prove your point. Orlando never offered Monk ANYTHING. They COULDNT. Monk signed an extension with Sacramento before any other team could make any sort of offer. That’s why the deal was called “team friendly”. Not because Orlando could or would have given him 1.5 more a year annually.
Monks prize for that btw was Monte shipping out his college friend for pennies on the dollar when there was no reason to do so.
Regardless of if another 6’3″ guard would be a net positive for the Warriors, the BYC situation makes any of the rumored S&Ts non-starters.
You cool with paying a second or two to get out of, and lose Hield/Moody?
Chap, 1 month ago, I wouldn’t have done the (Monk + protected FRP) for (Kuminga + Moody) deal, but, after looking at today’s roster, I would.
Three reasons:
1. It’s our only shot. Assuming Kuminga signs the QO, I’m writing off the chance of getting any value in return. That makes SAC our only S&T option, and the only way to get any value for Kuminga in return.
2. We *desperately* need bench scoring with Kuminga gone. Steph and Jimmy will miss a lot of games, but there is no sixth man, no bucket-getter off the bench. Buddy is good when he’s hot, but that’s it. It looks like no Seth Curry. GP2, Santos, TJD, Toohey aren’t doing.
3. Moody is dispensable with Podz, Melton, and Buddy all ahead of him at the 2. I love Moody, but he’s the odd man out.
They needed bench scoring from Kuminga last season, and it didn’t happen.
Moody was great before the injury.
Don’t forget about Richard.
1. They still get value if he wants to go anywhere besides a team with cap room next summer. Most of the teams that have shown interest in him this year dont have cap room. So its still a S&T next summer.
2. JK can still be a bench scorer on the QO as long as he isnt a malcontent ruining the locker room.
3. Moody is a useful piece in the rotation now, on a cheap deal with 2 more years, and I think he is still improving. He isnt a 2. It would also probably cost you a 2nd or two to offload him, because teams know the position GSW are in and will demand compensation for using the exception they were saving to get value for.
@chapman, you make good comments… But:
1. Not seeing the S&T scenarios. First, the teams that want him (Lakers) will have plenty of cap space. Second, an S&T requires that, one, Kuminga wants to go there and, two, the team has a $25M player that GSW wants.
2. Kuminga and agent have reportedly identified the teams wanting to acquire him for $8M in matching, and then sign him to a multi-year after the season. Lakers are reoirtedly one of them. I believe Lacob will choose from one of these options, as opposed to getting nothing.
I would offer TJD and Kuminga for Vanderbilt. lakers might bite at the trade. I do not want Vincent or kleber because they are a negative.
I mean the less clean the S&T scenario the less value he brings, but he at least brings something back. It also in a lot of scenarios requires GSW to be in on it, so you can sort of set your price.
I dont buy the Lakers interest. LeBron would punch out JK in practice within a month. He isnt a very good fit with Luka, since Luka does most of the on ball reps, and they still have LBJ and Reeves for usage. JK doesnt space well as kick out for Luka after the defense collapses, and would destroy the defense on the other side when combined with LBJ/Luka/AR/Ayton. It would be literally the most complaining and glaring at refs you have ever seen in a single NBA game.
Ok, I know you don’t like JK, but the Lakers are interested (they’ve had multiple meetings this summer) and it appears LeBron is supportive. They have worked out together this summer.
I like JK with the right developments, or in the right situation. I hate him on the Lakers roster. If Bron retires and they completely reshape it maybe that will change.
Chap, Seth Curry replaces Moody. Same shot, about the same defense, and cheaper. Sending Moses Moody along anytime is fine with me.
Curry is much smaller than Moody. He is a PG harasser like he did to Steph with POR in 19. He is your 1 in a box and 1. Moody can defend 2-4 well, and plays as a small ball SF/PF. He is also much younger and should be more available than Seth.
Chap, I love what you write, but you’re saying, Moody can guard power forwards?
When I’ve watched as Steve Kerr had to play Moody at power forward because he can’t play any other position with any success at all, he got smoked underneath, guarding 4’s.
Don’t get me started on Moses Moody. He needs to be on the first plane out of town, and teams don’t trade for him because he has a bad contract ($13 million? really?) It’s because he can’t play.
He was a Bob Myers draft pick.., long arms fairly athletic but slow afoot and…, you know the story…
He has measurements similar to Draymond, just skinnier and less strong. He cant guard all PF, but he does a good job on most guys that cant burst by him. I think he is improving at deflections and jumping the passing lanes too.
He was a much better player at the end of last season than the beginning, and was useful in the playoffs till he hurt his wrist in HOU and his shot completely left him.
@Gary, @chapman, my take on Moody is in between you guys.
His biggest limitation, as Gary says, is his lack of quickness and lateral mobility. He struggles to contest 3 point shots. He can’t take a defender off the dribble. He’s not a good dribbler or passer.
He’s an average 3 point shooter (consistently 36-37% through his career), but a poor midrange shooter (31% last season). He has to be set when he shoots.
He is a plus on-ball defender, primarily because of his long arms and aggressiveness.
He cannot defend the 4 or play inside. He’s 6’4″, 210 soaking wet. The 7 foot wingspan helps, but it’s not nearly enough.
Yeah its a kid thinking he should be given things that he hasnt earned yet. The teams building around Steph your a project for the future. Figure it out already.
Turners an idiot though. I dont think he is raising the value of his client despite making the entire summer about him. Every casual that had no idea who he is knows now, but he turns down fair offers that will get him the money he wants, and to a situation he would prefer in the quickest way possible. If he wanted out faster he needed teams to make a real offer for him. They didnt which shows his value.
> Yeah its a kid thinking he should be given things that he hasnt
> earned yet. The teams building around Steph your a project for
> the future. Figure it out already.
Here we go again. This untruth continues to be spread. Kuminga + agent have said several times on live TV and radio over the past few weeks that he accepts that his signing with the Warriors means he will have a bench role and uneven playing time.
In addition, we have completely unsubstantiated posts here claiming that he and his agent are demanding formal commitments from teams for his playing time.
Why would you replace Butler with Kuminga? The team obviously performs better that way. He needs to earn it.
Its not about accepting the role they are telling him he will have. Its about being salty about not having a starring role from year 2 on. He started this behavior long ago, it was just less public, and covered by the media.
I dont even think they have once acknowledged that both the times he was earning more run unfortunate injuries side tracked him. Kerr gave him plenty of reps last season until after the injury when he couldnt. JK would have been a much bigger part of the close of the year if he hadnt turned his ankle in Jan.
The agent implied that the reason he wanted to leave was because the other teams had pitched him with formal commitments on playing time and role, whereas here he will play if he produces, and has to get in where he fits in with this rotation and play style. Turner said that in not so many words on Hoop Collective from what I remember when he mentions SAC.
The Warriors offense stunk last year. Non of the young guys stepped up. That is why they traded for Butler. It obviously worked. They tried working JK in, but it didn’t work.
And another thing arc. With these things coming to the surface around contract time, do you or others really think it’s the first of it?
You don’t think this ‘me first’ agenda has not manifest at all during the first four years with the team?
I think there’s been plenty of hints along the way that this is how his agent operates and thinks.
It’s definitely not conducive to cooperative business arrangements and agreements, and the synergistic idea of contributing to the common cause of a championship for the franchise.
As my other comment said its not Kuminga but his agent. His agent is using Kuminga because of how his agent has hurt Kuminga from the original offer a year ago. There ios no way a 22 old would act this way. Unfortunately it shows Kuminga is easily manipulated by others.
Me first …… LMAO
So why would you keep this ingrate around this long.
The crying never stops. Really like you are getting dumped all over again in HS. Talk about angry.
link to youtu.be
Only person is crying is you. If i didn’t know better Al I would think you are his agent with so much praise and bashing of the warriors. Why do you feel the warriors should throw a max deal to him?
Yeah calling the crying out. Thats been going on for two years here is crying. Ok.
Two days left lol ……. Two days and I will cry laughing for two weeks.
let me fix that for you ONLY for a few months since the end of the season. i will laugh if we trade him to a east club that knocks the knicks out of the playoffs again. Thiose tears will be tasty.
Angry Al percolating again. I get it. If you don’t let off some steam like with your 6 anti-Gary comments here today, then you’ll just explode around the husband and kids.
I’m glad I can be part of the solution. Always happy to help out.
Thank you for your kind comments and your accurate assessment of my lack of knowledge, inability to spot talent, and excellent breakdown of whom I hate and whom I don’t.
Very well done. I appreciate it very much. Thank you.
Every pro athlete is all about the dollar, arc. It doesn’t hurt their marketability one iota. Jimmy Butler abandoned his team while under contract, but the Warriors came crawling.
If Kuminga signs the QO, that means he has veto rights up to becoming an unrestricted free agent after this season. The Warriors have no leverage in a trade discussion. Kuminga will be traded only to one of the teams he wants to sign a long-term deal with… and it will be for very little in return.
He cares about the money so much that he’s willing to turn down $75 million guaranteed and sign a 1 year deal for less than $10 million?
So JK is showing he’s not a team player because Golden State has showed him they aren’t player friendly? Unless you’re 37 or older I guess.
JKs problem with the Warriors is that hogged the ball. He didn’t like to pass to the open man.
> So JK is showing he’s not a team player because
> Golden State has showed him they aren’t player
> friendly? Unless you’re 37 or older I guess.
That’s a “post of the year” candidate.
Would you mind diving deeper into that instead of just repeating what I said with a smug comment attached? You’ve proved nothing here
@bonercats, It was a sincere compliment!
You captured the irony of how Warriors fans are railing against 22 year old Kuminga for wanting $2M while at the same time applauding the $160 they’ve gratuitously thrown at the oldest roster in league history.
If you check out the rest of my posts on this subject, you’ll see I’m being consistent.
I apologize Ari and thank you. This comment section has been a doozy. Hard to tell who’s on what page lol.
Sorry for being defensive.
Np.
When Kuminga is gone, we need a psychologist to tell us why Warriors fans pay by far more attention (posts, clicks, characters) to Jonathan Kuminga or anything else Dubs-related, including Steph or Draymond or playoff games.
Recently, the “trade Kuminga” sub-culture has even spawned some conspiracy theories — which portends further growth in membership. Apparently the local media has conspired to shield Wafriors’ fans from Kuminga’s and his agent’s behind-the-scenes misconduct with the NBA front offices. Like QAnon, the “trade Kuminga” sub-culture cannot die. “They” will not trade him because, well, then what?
Honestly has a lot to do with there being no other big news in the offseason. KD got traded but we all knew it was coming. Kawhi and Ballmer aren’t stand up guys. Think we all kind of already knew that too. The Kuminga story was the only thing that could impact multiple teams. When everyone’s talking about it, the fanbase is definitely going to talk about.
He has been minimized for a reason, and anyone who has watched the GSW games is very aware of why…
CANCEL KUMINGA!
Giving Kuminga everything he wants would be “a sign of goodwill”?
Well, Kuminga taking whichever of the 3 eminently reasonable offers is best for him would also be “a sign of goodwill”.
IMO signing the QO would be a huge mistake from a career standpoint. The odds of him being able to get even as much as $20 mil/yr after that are slim (plus it means losing his Bird rights).
It’s too bad that he and Turner think dragging this out until the 1st helps them.
Kuminga can’t sign anything over 20 mill. Cause all the money committed already. So the QO is the only offer he has. Considering all the bashing him, that has gone on here for last two years. Talk about angry clowns……
You’d think you be happy to have this come to a conclusion.
The last breath here is. Not sure you can do this.
You sign him to a deal with 20 mill or less for 1st year. Then you trade him by Dec 15 or TD. At least this way you have a big trade chip. You can use for a strong playoff run.
So Al why are there not many teams offering even a 1st round pick for Kuminga. I am surprised about that. i could see a top 10 protected pick and a bench player for Kuminga. Nobody is offering anything of value. Why?
BECAUSE THEY CAN GET HIM IN 8 MONTHS WITHOUT GIVING UP ANYTHING. IM GOING TO BASH MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL
So you think he is giving the Kings a home town discount? If he has a good season there will be more than just Kings or Suns wanting to sign him. Now that $63 million deal is a $100 million plus deal. Kings just blew it. Muarry wants his pay day too. So how do you fit both of them into the team payroll? You already have $150 acconted for 6 players next year without them.
Why bring up the Kings? Every team in the NbA shares the commonality that if JK is a free agent next year, it will cost them less by signing him then than it would to trade for him right now.
I have a strong feeling that you have absolutely no idea how the money behind the scenes works in the slightest. It has warped your opinion of this situation into something that is actually just lunacy.
Do i need to teach you supply and demand? Right now teams are only competing with who is willing to give up something for Kuminga knowing his price tage is under $75 million for 3 seasons. At the end of the year his price tag will be how ever much a team is willing to give him. Open to every team in the NBA. More demand price goes up.
There’s no reason to think there will be significantly more demand though – at least as far as his market value goes.
Free agent market there will be more demand because you don’t need to give up anything for him.
That’s what they’re banking on doofus?
Supply and demand….
I miss Davey lmao
Don’t worry about Kuminga he is not going to the Kings unless they trades something of value and when he if he is a free agent he is not signing with the kings after they didn’t show him love tarding for him.
Arc do you understand that using that logic means he’ll sign NOWHERE being as NOBODY traded for him?
Kuminga will sign with who pays the most. That how it works. He just not getting the big money he wants.
So if the Kings offer the most money he will sign? Mind you, you just said this:
“if he is a free agent he is not signing with the Kings”
Kings will not be able to offer very much. Already at $165 million next year before they sign Muarry who will be asking $30 million a year.
If a team really wanted Kuminga, they would trade for him now. Waiting for FA 2026 would be stupid. You might not get him. If he has that much value, why aren’t they offering more. The Warriors aren’t asking that much for a future All-Star.
That is what makes no sense at all why these other teams are not offering anything.
I can’t even process that you are real human beings. You need to seriously take off the rose tinted glasses for these kind of conversations because otherwise Im just speaking to a wall.
Have you noticed that the Warriors fans all seem to think a trade is imminent? Even with no indication of that being reality as of right now? Have you at all noticed that the general consensus from people who aren’t Warrior fans is that he will leave after this season and that the Warriors FO screwed the pooch?
I cannot stand homerism. I can stand it even less when it’s from the biggest homers on the website.
Huh? I’m Warriors fan. I don’t think a trade is imminent. It is pretty obvious that it is not going to happen. Teams are not bending over backwards for Kuminga. Some pundits have called JKs demands delusional.
I been saying for weeks now it will come down to Sept 30th some team will make a good offer. They will not get a great offer. If they don’t oh well just play out the season with him. Nobody is losing sleep over what happens.
@Giants74, @ard89
The reason why he got no offers as a RFA is the apron restrictions. Only 1-2 teams had the space and they didn’t want him.
His value is based on his young age and potential in a less demanding system than Kerr’s. The hope is that he will improve.
JK has been in the system for 4 years. The Warriors won a championship in Kerr’s 1st season. It can’t be that difficult.
@KnickAL
Apparently you missed the fact that one of his offers is 3 years guaranteed at $54 million, which computes to $18 mil/yr. From this article:
“The three contract offers the Warriors made this summer all remain on the table…They are two years at $45MM and three years at $75.2MM, which both contain team options on the final season, or three years with no team option at the reduced rate of $54MM over three years.”
Please try to keep up!
Kuminga has never been offered a contract he would consider. Cause they all had TEAM OPTIONS on them. Even the best offer at 25 mill had a TEAM OPTION on it. Which means Warriors know he won’t sign it. Which is what they want. Cause their intentions have always been to sign the FAs. They are signing now. Catch up ????? You so behind I can’t see you in my rear view mirror lmao….
Learn to argue with real facts. Uninformed debaters are just blow harts with no substance.
I have only been saying and posting this since July.
@KnickAL
Your reading comprehension problem isn’t my fault.
How does the Warriors’ offer of “three years WITH NO TEAM OPTION at the reduced rate of $54MM” possibly mean there was a team option in the offer?
Who was bashing him? He had $125-$150 million on the table. He rejected that. He definitely won’t sign 1 year $20 million. That is completely ridiculous.
“ Agent’s clarification: During an appearance on The Hoop Collective Podcast in September 2025, Turner explicitly denied a report that Kuminga had rejected a 5-year, $150 million offer in the summer of 2024. He confirmed that no such offer was ever made and that Kuminga would have accepted that deal if it were on the table.”
You have used this LIE many times before. Saying more and more doesn’t make it true. Why would you care right. This how uninformed and classless you are. They can’t offer that cause it means none of these signings happen. Do you need a calculator. Hate makes you a DA.
He did not deny that he turned down a $25 million a year deal. i never heard the warriors offered a 5/150 but that Kuminga asked for that much and the warriors turned it down. that is what we call lawyer talk making up an excuse that Kuminga never turned down the deal when it was never offered to him.
You obviously can’t read.
That is an excellent idea Al. I would say it’s a perfect solution for this issue with agreeing to a contract with Jonathan Kuminga. Thanks great job. Well done.
> The odds of him being able to get even as much as
> $20 mil/yr after that are slim
Why? There will be many more teams with cap space.
If he takes the QO do you see him starting? No unless there is an injury. With Melton signing he will take some of Kuminga’s minutes. Kuminga will need to be dominate on court and be the player he claims to be. Subtract all the teams that will not be able to offer him a $25 million plus deal next year. Way his agent behaves it will probably be a 1 year deal on a bad team that promises him a starting job.
Wait wait wait. You’re saying that if he signs the QO he won’t start, but if he accepts an amount he’s not satisfied with he’ll start? Wtf is going on today. You people have officially lost your mind because the reality is setting in.
This is the most frustrating comment section I’ve seen in a while and he who shan’t be named isn’t even here.
Do you see him starting? Nobody knows. See how you can’t comprehend a comment. Does him signing either way say in the contract he must start? NO
THEN WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ARC??? Read the first 2 sentences of your comment that Im replying to.
I need a drink. Or 5
I said he is not starting on warriors. Is that hard to understand???
So then what does the QO have to do with him starting?!? This is your argument boss
Never said that. Said he needs to start to be a max player.
Am I in hell? Did I die in my sleep last night?
Arcs first comment:
“If he takes the QO do you see him starting? No unless there is an injury”
But you never said that right? Im making up words that are 2 comments above the last.
And why are you now bringing up a max deal? That has not once been a part of this. Nobody is offering that and Kumingas camp is not asking for it. I truly don’t understand.
He is not starting at this moment. Curry, Butler, Green, Podz, and Halford will start. That is why he wants out.
This is the most coherent thing you’ve said in this thread, even if it has nothing to do with him signing the QO.
Thank you.
If he takes the QO, he’ll probably play like he did last season. Looking for that big paycheck and struggling with his shot. So yes, he will be on the bench.
He is going to try packing on his stats then play team ball. It will not be good for warriors or Kuminga. Best to trade him to teh first team that flinches.
If he is a walking 25M trade exception that you want to have positive value in a trade starting in Dec you play him up and showcase him.
If he is on a 1/8M where his salary doesnt match much, he has a NTC, and would lose his bird, so he will only approve deals to specific places, then yeah if he doesnt earn it you dont play him. If he is a top 5 player on the team he starts, if he pouts and underperforms he rides the pine.
@aristotle
> The odds of him being able to get even as much as
> $20 mil/yr after that are slim
“Why? There will be many more teams with cap space.
1. In the unlikely event that he get’s traded while on the QO, his market value becomes $7.9 mil (why would a team trade for him since he can either just leave after the season, or they could wait until he’s a UFA and not have to lose ANY assets).
2. If he ends up serving the full season with GSW, it’s impossible to accurately predict hoe whatever happens as a warrior impacts his market value.
3. The # of teams projected to have $20 mil/yr in cap space next season is 5-6. What if they decide he’s only worth the MLE?
That’s what happened to Dennis Schroder when he turned down 4/80, the Celtics signed him for 1 yr at the MLE, and the next season he went back to the lakers on the vet min!
Also that cap space might not even be there. Several of those teams may make moves this season that cuts into cap space for next. Like I could see WAS taking back bad contracts to get value for CJ/Middleton.
If we have learned anything the last several years its that projecting cap space and FA hitting the market is a fools errand.
Factor in the economy will a small market team want to sign somebody to a max contract. The economy is struggling right now and will fans still pay big amount of money to watch a team if they need to buy food for their family?
Arc, you are so far off the deep end it’s impressive. Small market teams can’t afford to give anyone a max (something Kuminga is not asking for btw) because if they do they’ll need to increase ticket prices which will force communities to either watch basketball games or eat?! WHY ARE YOU LIKE THIS
Why wouldn’t he ask for a max deal? He wants a big pay day from the warriors why not other teams? I been watching the economy and we are headed into a recession. People are tightening their wallet. Going to a game is a luxury not something you must do. WHY ARE YOU NOT SEEING FACTS???
Kuminga says he wants to be the center of the offense and an All-Star. Sounds like max salary to me.
WB favorite team is the kings so of course he wants Kuminga in sacramento. What he doesn’t understand is Kuminga right now will sign for a cheap deal to play there but once a free agent he will go to who offers him the most money. I forgot that Kings signed Schroder to a 3 years deal so there is $165 million already spent next year on 7 players.
I’m actually in hell. Let me know when you guys can think about this logically.
there is a reason why the kings are there. They are not willing to take a huge chance and instead cross their fingers.
you keep bringing up the Kings like im sitting here mouth watering at the idea of Kuminga being in Sac. I have no idea why you think Im in love with JK. The kings are involved in these convos because they’re one of 2 confirmed teams to be interested. Not because I want the Kings to sign JK.
And no, the Kings who have absolutely no direction at the moment aren’t interested in taking “a huge chance”. Thats just common sense. Especially when that “huge chance” has the to potentially to help the team that plays 90 miles away.
You are correct on no direction. Kings need to rebuild not throw out pieces that don’t fit.
SO WHY WOULD THEY OFFER ANYTHING ARC?!?!
Because they need to rebuild. That is why they only offering their cast offs looking for a fool that will take bad contracts off their hands.
@washington_b
“Small market teams can’t afford to give anyone a max”
Are the Raptors a small market team? Scottie Barnes.
Hornets? Lamelo Ball.
Pelicans? Zion.
That was a point Arc was trying to make. I was responding to that.
@NBAisOK, He’s 22 years old. He doesn’t have to play a single game this season to get a $25M/yr offer next season. The notion that he needs to have a great year on the court to get a big contract at the end of this year is mistaken.
This isn’t the board to read about it, but the transactions being considered aren’t limited to the ones that are currently on the table.
There are several teams that have made clear to Kuminga and agent that they would like to acquire him for $8M now and pay him a long-term contract starting at the end of the season. They’re candidates to be on the list Kuminga and agent show GSW after he signs the QO.
Teams just arent giving out the money like that anymore Ari. Clarkson for nothing, Sexton for nothing, Simons for nothing… Maybe if the numbers come in good, and the cap goes up the full 10% than in a year or two they loosen up a bunch, since the raises should be outpaced by the cap rises making the deals more cap friendly as they go.
Otherwise you have to be at least neutral on both sides unless your way way above avg on one. It doesnt help when you seem to be more about yourself than the team, and unwilling to change your game to fit into the teams concept.
Like BI didnt return much, and I think became one of the worst contracts in the NBA when he extended. BI is a really good player, but he is a #2/3 or lower on a true title team, but he also requires you to build your roster around him for him to work the best, but you dont optimize your roster around your 4th option… You see where this is going.
From everything I have seen Kuminga is modeling his game on BI with a bit more attacking the basket, and a bit fewer long long 2s. Both think they dont have to play defense because theyre studs, or just arent capable, which would be shocking at the size they are.
Kuminga reminds me of Oubre. Some games he is real good and others he is standing around.
Thats called being 20-22 yrs old. Playing for a coach who doesn’t believe in him. Warriors and Kuminga are two different time lines. Why is all about blame with all of you. Doesn’t solve a thing.
The crossroads continue…
The crying continues ……… the QO means Warriors will get nothing for him. Something I just learned actually. So Warriors only have two options. Sign-n-trade or sign him and trade him at TD. Only way you get value for him. Thats it ..
🥹😩😫😭😩🥹😫😭😱😱😱😱 ….
You are wrong Al. The Warriors will get something. It is called “Addition by Subtraction”. Why does a team need all this drama? Kuminga is not willing to do what the coaches want him to do. Ya know, the plan that led to 6 finals appearances, and 4 wins. He wants to be be the “central focus” of the offense and not share the ball. Look how it turned out last season.
If he signs the QO, they’ll have room for the buyout market. When he is gone, they’ll have $30 million to work with.
What are they supposed to get for JK? Hell, the Kings were only willing to give up a heavily protected 1st in the next decade. Sounds like they are hedging their bets. They don’t feel to confident in his superstar status.
They’ll have 30 million to work with? Where in the hell are you getting that number from?
They are $25 million under the 1st Apron right now. The cap goes up next season by $11 million. They’ll have plenty of exceptions. They don’t have to worry about their own free agents.
How does retaining your own FAs help acquire outside talent?
So be it if he signs a QO and becomes a free agent and leaves at the end of the year. they lost players before like Barnes and got no compensation for him. i find it worse that they lost Wiseman for nothing.
Dubs are likely to be able to require Wiseman for nothing, if they so desire. He won’t make the Pacers core rotation…
They can’t require Wiseman to do anything. The Pacers signed. The Pacers obviously like him.
Excellent comment Al. 100% correct. Nice job.
Signed, Crying uninformed hateful bashing for 2 straight years clown. Well.., clown- ish. I’m not quite sure if I’ve earned full “clown” yet or not?
Is it Wednesday yet?????