Although the Sixers just made their first formal offer to restricted free agent Quentin Grimes earlier this week, they have discussed various contract frameworks with his agent David Bauman several times throughout the offseason, according to Jake Fischer of The Stein Line (Substack link).
As Fischer explains, the 76ers were hesitant to extend a formal offer until recently because they realized there was a significant gap in what they were willing to pay Grimes compared to what he and his representatives were seeking on a new deal.
While Grimes’ camp had some hope of a potential sign-and-trade materializing, that outcome appears unlikely, Fischer writes. The most likely scenario, Fischer continues, is Grimes signing a one-year deal that comes in above his $8.7MM qualifying offer.
Fischer confirms that Bauman asked the Sixers to extend Grimes’ qualifying offer deadline from October 1 to October 8, in part because the team is traveling to Abu Dhabi for a pair of preseason games. But Philadelphia hasn’t shown any interest pushing back the deadline to this point.
Following up on his previous report that the Sixers floated the idea of trading Kelly Oubre Jr. or Andre Drummond — or both — to make a more lucrative contract offer to Grimes, Fischer says Philadelphia’s front office has been “adamant” that it is unwilling to add draft picks to shed either of those salaries.
Here’s more from Fischer:
- The Warriors and Jonathan Kuminga have not had any talks about potentially moving back his Oct. 1 qualifying offer deadline, sources tell Fischer. Golden State appears unwilling to budge on its latest contract offers, per Fischer, including a three-year, $75MM proposal which contains a team option for 2027/28. Kuminga’s camp has “pushed hard” for a player option instead of a team option, Fischer writes, but hasn’t had any luck so far. Fischer confirms the Kings tried to restart sign-and-trade talks for Kuminga, but the Warriors remain unenthusiastic about taking back Malik Monk, in part because of his $21.5MM player option for ’27/28. The Warriors want to maintain maximum roster flexibility for the 2027 offseason, Fischer explains, when the contracts of Stephen Curry, Jimmy Butler and Draymond Green expire.
- According to Fischer, the Heat showed some interest in Mo Bamba before the former lottery pick signed a training camp deal with the Jazz. Bamba landing with Utah has led to speculation that Kevin Love might be nearing a buyout agreement, but “all signs” currently indicate that Love will begin the season with the Jazz, Fischer writes.
- Fischer hears the Rockets aren’t expected to look for immediate backcourt help in the wake of Fred VanVleet‘s torn ACL, preferring instead to see how Reed Sheppard and Amen Thompson respond to increased on-ball responsibilities. Houston may explore adding guard depth down the line, Fischer writes, but that likely won’t occur until at least December 15, when many free agent signings become eligible to be moved. According to Fischer, there’s still an expectation that Kevin Durant will eventually sign an extension with the Rockets, but a potential rookie scale deal for Tari Eason appears less certain.
It would make no sense for the warriors to delay the Oct 1st deadline since they have so many players waiting to sign the contracts. It would also delay them for training camp. Kuminga needs to make a decision take the offer or the QO. If a team wants him they have until Tuesday to go after him.
Ever since the draft. I have said Bamba is a better athlete than Mitch. I really don’t understand why by now. Someone hasn’t helped him find his place in NBA. He can be better than Mitch imo. Cause he has better offense. Is it him ?? The NBA does fail players sometimes. Shame really.
With McCain hurt. Sixers are lost by lowballing Grimes. He can start with Maxey. And showcase his game. Then could be easily moved later on. Just bad business imo.
Why wouldn’t you give Kuminga the PO in third year. He will be traded by TD. Or as soon as possible. Which most likely is by Dec 15. So why would it matter…….
link to youtu.be
We All Know WHY ?? 4 days till Kuminga signs his QO. Four days till Horford, Melton, Payton ……..
Four days till Oct 1st ……. 🥹😢😩
Neither side is gonna to budge. Best thing is for the warriors to make it a 2 year deal for $48 million. Gives Kuminga the money he wants and the warriors are not hurting their future with a big contract. Neither team or player want an option third year deal so it works it out for both.
Warriors aren’t going to keep Kuminga. Makes no sense really when their priority is another run. Kuminga is their biggest trade chip. He is way overpaid to backup Jimmy. So best move for team. Is get another young talent that fits this team better now. An example:; Kessler. Right now and for next 3 yrs. He is a better fit. Makes Team better. Kuminga doesn’t help you this year. So why does a PO matter. He has to be traded as soon as possible.
I agree it would be a good deal kessler straight up for Kuminga but Utah doesn’t want kuminga for some reason. the problem for the warriors nobody wants to trade anything for Kuminga. i don’t get why the Kings who want Kuminga is low balling the warriors. They even made Ellis untradeable who is not a starter on their team. I still say some team will flinch and send something of value to the warriors.
Because the Kings aren’t going to bid against themselves? Until someone actually offers something, they have put out the best offer. Not like they need this trade. The Warriors on the other definitely need a trade, even if it’s not with the Kings. The Warriors hold 0 chips in this ordeal. Which is why the offers aren’t coming.
kings could be waiting for him to take the QO so then matching value is easier since it will be $7.9 million. Sending over Ellis and Carter with a protected 1st rounder.
Buddy… how on earth are you still not up to speed. If Kuminga signs the QO, he will have the right to veto any trade the Warriors want to include him in. He WILL veto EVERY trade because if he goes somewhere else, that new team will have his Non-Bird rights. Meaning his new team can only sign him to an extension that pays him 120% of that QO.
I cannot possibly make it clearer than anyone else has in the last 3 months. They either trade him before the QO deadline or they lose him for nothing next season. There will not be a middle of the season trade involving Kuminga if he signs the QO.
You don’t think he will agree to waive his no trade clause if he goes to a team that he wants to go to? Of course he will. Also there is a loophole in if he signs an extension with a new team he can sign above the 5% rule but he can’t be traded by the new team for the next 6 months.
let’s make it clear there has not been a trade offer that is worth taking. Both trade offers that been made public hurts the warriors more than just letting him be a free agent at the end of the year. Why would the warriors take a bad trade that leaves them with bad contracts for more years.
No. He wouldn’t waive his NTC to go anywhere. He wants to be paid. That’s what all of this is about. He either wants to be paid or have an ounce of control in his future. The Warriors want neither of those things and JK knows that.
I have no clue what “loophole” you’re talking about and cannot find anything to support that claim.
And let’s be clear, any trade that gives Golden State one or multiple tradable assets is a better result to the FO than letting one of their best tradeable assets leave without netting you a return. If you want to argue that none of the trade proposals that have been made public make the ROSTER any better, you are free to make that point. Hell, I’m pretty inclined to agree with that. But this has been and continues to be an issue with the FO and how Kuminga fits into their plan in seasons beyond this upcoming one. And they’ve botched it by A.) Waiting this long to figure it out and B.) Committing to Butler when you knew what kind of bottleneck it would create.
kuminga would waive his NTC to go to a team that promised him a lot of minutes or a chance at a championship ring. Warriors would trade him if they got a good young asset in return. 2nd round picks are not good assets so it would need to be better than a 2nd round pick. At this point its better to have him as a back up player for 1 year than trade him for nothing in return.
Absolutely under no circumstances would Kuminga, who is currently trying to get paid, allow himself to be sent somewhere he CANNOT get paid. Thats as close to a fact as you can get. I don’t care if OKC is on the phone. He’s not restricting himself financially after signing a one year deal that restricts him financially.
If you’re saying that JKs being on the roster is more important this year because the Warriors will win a title this year, then that’s your prerogative. I think your FO would absolutely disagree.
No team is going to trade for him unless they are going to pay him. Why would a team trade for him knowing he wants to be paid?
Why would the warriors trade him for players they do not want that cost them payroll next year? That would make no sense at all.
Multiple teams are already saying they would pay him. The better question you should be asking is why would any team trade for him to be a half season rental? Especially at the asking price GS has set.
And I’m really struggling to understand why you think that if GS trades for someone who’s contract goes beyond this season that they wouldn’t be able to trade that player away before the start of next season. Thats how this all works man.
Have you heard the saying about having a cake?
warrior’s asking price is not as high as it was. The three trade offers that been published all were with players that are not good assets. the draft picks were in second round or very late round picks. teams been low balling warriors knowing he wants out. The big test will be the 30th if a team offers a good player or a 1st round pick that is in the teens.
What I have always said is the reason Warriors wanted him to sign his QO. Is cause it makes it easier to add the other players. Which is true. Even the new offers now have wording in first yr. To be able to add those contracts Horford being most important.
I’ve read too much BS on this by now. Some wrong. I could care less about money restrictions. But I got it now. Team who trades for Kuminga on QO. Doesn’t have the ability to retain him. Unless he gives up another year for that contract. Seems Warriors need to word out a sign-n-trade. In order to get best deal for Kuminga. And be able to sign those players.
Again—— why didn’t you trade him at draft. His value was high then.
@ washington b
“Multiple teams are already saying they would pay him”.
Which isn’t binding in any way whatsoever. 2 teams made S&T offers which included players GSW didn’t want while trying to unload unfavorable contracts. There’s no reason to believe he’d get more than the MLE as a UFA after signing the QO.
(Ask Dennis Schroder, who gave up 4/40 and signed for the MLE next season).
Not really sure what you mean by “binding”? I’m lost on what another team could do short of setting a contract in front of him that would be “binding”.
And if you actually think that Kuminga will need to accept an MLE next season, you are as incompetent as the Warriors.
The Schroder example needs to stop being floated as a parallel to this situation. Other than the betting on oneself, they share almost no similarities. Its being used as this golden rule to follow and it’s indicative of the fear that the general populace has when it comes to losing out on money.
Also, you don’t get to cherry pick a quote from my ramblings to try and use that as a basis of argument. The actual quote here was: “He wants to be paid. That’s what all of this is about. He either wants to be paid or have an ounce of control in his future.”
So no, signing a deal with any sort of team option is not what Kuminga’s camp wants. Kuminga is doing his very best to avoid being Jordan Poole 2.0
@washington_b
I’m glad that you agree that nothing a team is telling Kuminga now means anything as far as what they might offer after whatever happens this season.
Kuminga may end up being 9th or 10th in minutes and despite your opinion to the contrary, his best offer next season as a UFA could be the MLE.
Obviously Schroder didn’t think he’s have to sign for the MLE when he turned down the lakers deal, right? I’m not sure what you’re basing your opinion (that the situations aren’t similar) on.
Also, Poole got $30 mil/yr and started almost every game for the wizards – why wouldn’t Kuminga be thrilled to end up exactly like Poole? Even at $25 mil, do you think he’d refuse a trade to the wizards if they said they would start him?
Kuminga will not be 9th or 10th in minutes. He is part of half of the roster that doesn’t need a walker after a back to back. Especially because it’s in GS best interest that he does well so their two sides can come to an agreement on pay. That is the only possible way that they don’t lose him for nothing.
I think you’re misunderstanding the Jordan Poole connection. Kuminga doesn’t want to sign an offer that he knows the Warriors view as an overpay because they will just ship him out to the highest bidder. So now he’s overpaid and likely on a bad team. Ask Jordan Poole how well that did for him and how’s he viewed around the league. Im sure Kuminga would like to have all his teeth by the middle of the season as well.
As for Schroder : Schroder was not an RFA when the Lakers made the offer. The Lakers also made THAT offer because he was more valuable to the Lakers (at that time) than he was to anyone else. Obviously his performance was a driving factor but it’s why Horford is getting all the money from GS right now. Because HE fits them. Better than anyone else on the market. The Lakers were also not actively shopping him in the public.
Kuminga CANNOT go wherever he feels like going. Which was something Schroder could. Kuminga needs the Warriors to get him where he wants. And just as he is inclined not to sacrifice his career for the success of the Warriors, the Warriors are not obligated to ensure he’s in the best spot for him when it means the team suffers because of it. ROCK AND A HARD PLACE. It has been the same story for months. Which is why I place so much blame on the FO for not being able to think critically about the success of them team in just 2 seasons.
Kuminga is also younger and more talented than Schroder was when he turned down his extension. Both are huge reasons why he and his agent believe that they can secure a pay day.
There are better examples than Schroder but his mishap happened recently and fits the narrative. So it stuck.
@ washington
If he “wants to be paid”, he should take the guaranteed $48 mil +1 with a team option.
link to spotrac.com
This is a pretty good explanation. I always wondered why Nets didn’t sign him. I thought they would sign either Kuminga or Giddey. Nets should sign Grimes right now.
Angry Al were you born yesterday? Everyone on this board knows every fact in that article.
How could you not know these things the author layed out since you comment on here the 27 times a day Golden State is mentioned on this website?
I think you said it yourself.., “you don’t care what people say.” That’s why you don’t know anything and that’s why you’ll never grow your basketball knowledge beyond what you learned in 1976.
Angry ???? Over what. Not even a non like you can get to me. It’s basketball. Only clowns like you get personal….. lying doesn’t make what you say true. Real adult of you.
It’s true I should be more informed on new cap. The only facts I was wrong about. Was trading the QO. I still don’t care about the cap. I’m not here to discuss accounting. Thought team could just redo that contract once traded for player. No big deal. Oh except to you of course.
Whats that have to do with knowing talent or knowing this game. Or how big players really are. Like your DA. I graduated HS in late 80s. I just want the knowledge more than you do, obviously . So I seek it out all the time. I will gladly remind you of that from now on.
“The wise person battles his own ego. The fool battles everyone else”.
Weak Mfrs like you. See ego where there is only truth. Right or wrong. You keep score where I never had to. Cause I learned as a kid. The only score that matters is the final score. Thats why ball is so easy to me. And simpletons so easy to take.
Angry Al, I rest my case. You said you only talk Ball not about commenters.
“clowns like you.
lying.
Real adult of you.
Like your The fool.
Weak Mfrs.”
I sent an olive branch earlier in the week, but you threw it in the trash.
You have no problem bullying others and that’s wrong.
Davey got put on detention. Do you want the same? Start being nicer to other people.
good question why not the Nets. They actually have some assets they could offer the warriors would take and they have draft picks they could trade. In that market he would be a big draw.
arc, maybe it’s because the nets have no use for a 6-6 power forward?
nets could always flip him. let him get his stats up playing a lot of minute sthan flip him for needs.
They’re also not exactly in the business of sending away draft capital at the moment
Kuminga is listed at 6’8”. He is easily a long 6’7”. He is bigger than Jimmy. You should know that. And he will never be a PF. I understand Warriors fans are disadvantaged knowing positions. Especially bigs like PFs and Centers.
Angry Al, he is often classified as a power forward. Of course I don’t think he’s a power forward because He’s only 6-6. He can’t guard 6-10 Jaren Jackson, Pascal Siakam, and the the rest of them. No chance.
And of course, when I say he’s 6-6 you have to say he’s 6-7. Don’t be so angry Al. Be diplomatic once in a while.
@ arc89
Because the Nets just signed Porter Jr.
Imo any rebuilding team or retooling team. Can benefit from a Kuminga trade. Just seems it has to be a sign-n-trade. Still can stretch out the date. It’s like I said before. Warriors should have been looking everywhere for a decent trade. Still time to…..
Blame Lacob for it. Kuminga is his favorite player and in the past he would not allow the warriors to trade Kuminga. warriors management wanted to draft Wagner with teh 7th pick but Lacob made them pick Kuminga. wagner would have been the perfect pick for the warriors.
“warriors management wanted to draft Wagner with teh 7th pick but Lacob made them pick Kuminga. wagner would have been the perfect pick for the warriors.”
Wagner is a SF that has worse career 3 pt shooting % than Kuminga. And as we know, 3pt shooting % is the most important thing in GS-land. Your fanbase would hate Wagner just like you hate Kuminga.
And Steve Kerr would too. Also, Wagner is on a rookie max in Orlando. Would GS give Wagner a max? No way.
Wagner’s rebounding and passing (and ft shooting %) are better though.
That said, the key difference is that Wagner was drafted onto a bad team and started from day 1, which allowed him to develop into a 24 ppg 2nd option and his “star player” designation. If the Warriors had taken him he would have had limited minutes like Kuminga, and because of that likely wouldn’t have gotten a max.
Ofc, it’s possible that he would have adapted to Kerrball and never looked off Steph, played better team defense, and gotten more minutes and starts in the following seasons. We’ll never know.
Compare Wagner’s and Kuminga’s per 100 pos stats from 23-24 (their rookie extension contract years). Wagner got a max rookie extension after that season. What did Kuminga get?
And Kuminga is a year younger.
Wagner is a SF that doesn’t make 3s. Remember what Kerr said about using Kuminga as a SF?
Not in a million years would Wagner be a success at GS. Not in a million years would GS give him minutes or opportunities. Not in a million years would they give him a max contract. Lucky for him to get drafted by Orlando and not GS.
@Peter_C
That was my point. had Kuminga ended up on the 20-62 Magic team like Wagner did, he likely would have ended up with a max rookie extension too.
And who knows, if Kuminga had been represented by Wagner’s agent (Glushon), Kuminga might have gotten a deal out of the warriors.
Comparing per 100 stats can be deceptive because that tends to favor the player that played less minutes, but I agree that it’s certain that Kerr wouldn’t have started Wagner from day 1, and limiting his minutes would have been likely.
Kuminga had a great offer that he turned down and would only sign a max extension while Wagner averaged almost 10 points a game more than Kuminga. Wagner is a much better player than Kuminga. There is no comparison.
@arc89
What offer? The 5/150 that was reported but wasn’t actually true? It was never offered to him last summer; in fact, he was not offered anything. There were only talks and no offers. It looks like GS wanted to trade him and have the other team figure out the contract, but they took too long.
Wagner is a much better player, yes. But there is comparison, especially a comparison of what they were after the 23-24 season, when both players were up for their rookie extensions.
There wasn’t a 5/150 but that was the amount Kuminga wanted which the warriors refused. Their original offer was 5/$125 which his agent turned down. His agent is not a trustworthy person at all. If Kuminga put up the numbers Wagner puts up the warriors would have max out his deal. They gave Butler a huge deal. Why should Kuminga be paid a max extension when he is no where close to it. If he was worth that much you would see big offers coming in. Kings would no doubt offer Murray if Kuminga was that great of a player you claim him to be.
I never said I consider Kuminga a great player. I was rewatching some playoff and regular season basketball over the summer, and if anything, I noticed some things about him I didn’t like that I didn’t see before. For example, I started questioning his motor. He looked gassed early on in several games. Maybe some of his defensive and rebounding deficiencies can be attributed to his stamina?
Anyway, my point was that GS fanbase is looking at Wagner, and players like Giddey and others, and think that they would be great and so much better than Kuminga. Even though it’s mostly wishful thinking.
Kuminga is not a 3 pt shooter. The myth that the warriors want 3 pt shooters is just that. The warriors want rebounders. That is one of the things they were working on Kuminga doing more of. They also need a big man to set screens for their 3 pt shooters.
the fanbase doesn’t hate Kuminga another myth. Fan base just want Kuminga to live up to his hype. Frsutrated that Kuminga didn’t take over and had to bring in Butler. Would magic trade wagner for Kuminga? NO If warriors had Wagner they would have never traded for Butler and gave him the money.
“If warriors had Wagner they would have never traded for Butler and gave him the money.”
Nope, that’s just your wishful thinking. They would never give Wagner a max and would never put him in a position to ask for one. Not until they have Curry making almost 40% of the cap.
Just as you wishfully think that Giddey would be great for you, even though if you drafted and had him, you’d hate him, too. OKC didn’t hate Giddey, they had a good relationship with him, but they moved on as they found a way to improve the roster. But GS absolutely would hate Giddey.
As for rebounding, Wagner is an average rebounder for his position (SF), the same as Kuminga. You are saying that your fanbase doesn’t hate Kuminga, yet you are incriminating him for not being a great rebounder and speak highly about other players who are not great rebounders either. You know what that is? Covert aggression towards Kuminga, and covert hate.
Covert hate? I see you Peter :)
I think what Warriors see in Wagner is a polished scorer. That’s attractive to any team, and when you compare him to Jonathan Kuminga, it’s easy to see the difference between the two players.
But you know me.., no if’s or would’ve could’ve. Things turn out how they were supposed to. That and Bob Myers was enthralled with athletic types with amazing athletic build or ability.
Listen, I’m not a Kuminga fan. As of now, Wagner is a better and more complete player. But he’s not polished at all. And in the NBA I was watching, from the time they were drafted until the end of the 23-24 season, Kuminga was actually a better scorer than Wagner. Certainly better at finishing at the rim, and generally more effective. Also, on lower usage. Wagner is a very high usage player, actually.
It was not until Kerr put Kuminga in the corner in 24-25 that he started to look bad. Kuminga certainly didn’t help himself with shooting so many jumpers, too.
Kuminga is a high usage SF who’s at his best when handling the ball on the wing, and he’s a non-shooter. Wagner is kind of the same player. But he’s a better defender, true. Even though Kuminga is not hopeless on defense when used as a POA defender. The problem is that GS have 3 guard-sized players basically all the time on the court, so they are the ones who are doing defensive jobs that would suit Kuminga best.
But anyway, GS would not like Wagner at all, and certainly wouldn’t give him minutes and a role that would allow him to position himself for a max contract.
The Wagner comparison reminds me of Siakam. Many GS fans mention the trade that didn’t happen, and that he would be so good for them. Would he? He’s a 30% max player. What do you get for that when compared to Kuminga:
– great in transition – same as Kuminga;
– high usage – same as Kuminga;
– not a great defender. He defended very well in the 2025 playoffs, but generally, he’s not great on that end. So kind of like Kuminga;
– he can invent something without a set, can make something happen against a set defense, takes on smaller defenders 1v1. Kind of like Kuminga, who’s also not afraid to do that, who is actually pretty good against zones (unlike GS players like Podz, Hield, GP2 and others, who, when they face a zone, freeze as if they saw a Bigfoot, and need Kerr’s time-out to tell them what to do). But that ability to make something happen without a set is the opposite of what GS want under Kerr, isn’t it?
– he’s a below-average 3-pt shooter on low-ish volume. Same as Kuminga. Will take one when open, accuracy is in the low-30s, but it’s not how he beats you;
– he has a midi-jumper, and that’s a big difference. But again, would GS under Kerr want players whose strength is mid-range jumpers?
– he’s slightly bigger, 1.5-2 inches taller, closer to a proper 4. Which would probably mean that Kerr would use him as a small-ball 5 a fair bit, at which he would suсk, like Hachimura suсks in LAL, and Pascal would be frustrated and would frustrate the GS crowd;
– has a better handle;
– slightly better rebounder;
– he can play 35 minutes a game, but Kerr doesn’t like that anyway and generally has his starters in 26-32 min range;
So overall, he’s kind of like Kuminga, but with a midi-jumper, better handle and overall more polish. Does that justify 30% paying him of the cap?
With Wagner, we can make the same comparison, and I don’t think that what he offers would justify occupying 25% ($38.5 million) of the cap at GS. Not until they have Curry in the team and Kerr as a coach. If anything, Wagner would be an even worse fit.
Many players around the league who are excellent contributors to their teams would not suit GS because of how much they make, or because they don’t fit the coach. With how much Curry, Draymond, Butler, and in the past Klay and Wiggins, are and were making, GS almost have to have somebody on a rookie deal who’s a massive contributor, like Poole, and veteran mins who are performing way above that, like GP2 and Otto Porter were in 2022.
Curry is occupying 38.5%, while Edwards on 29.5%, Shai is on 25% still and will be next year, Brunson is on even less, and GS can’t compete with that.
Angry Al they’re not going to stretch out the date. The Warriors have six guys ready to sign.
They’re not stretching out anything.
Haven’t you been writing There’s only five days then four days and eight days for two weeks?
So you really didn’t know there was five days eight days six days?
You say they’re going to extend the deadline now?
That’s just ridiculous and I can’t believe you’re flip-flopping like that.
arc at 7.9 mill. There will be offers. Even if its a three way trade. Kuminga is a big time player for a rebuilding team. Kessler is just an example. Warriors can use a scoring PG, a defensive wing that can shoot, or a center. Kuminga will fetch that soon. Trust me. Just have to be patient.
i have no doubt he will be traded. Its best for him and the team. maybe the Jazz will change their mind on Kuminga. The warriors do need to get young players. there is hope that Post can make the next step to be a center. His defense has improved since he got drafted. They do need a young defensive wing to back up Green and let him rest alot more with age.
@KnickAL
“Why wouldn’t you give Kuminga the PO in third year. ”
Because it makes it harder to trade him. If they decide to yield on that the $ amount will be reduced substantially.
Any team that wants to trade for Kuminga. Will have discussions with him about his long term status. No team is trading for Kuminga. Unless they are in it for long haul. Warriors will be able to trade him. Pmus no team is trading for him unless they have some assurances. Why I was wrong about QO. Kuminga wants a chance to start and get paid. That happens on a rebuilding team. Warryjust need a good return.
The player option removes assurances and makes him less tradable, because if he plays great he can end the contract a year early and can leave and if he plays bad he keeps the extra year even if the team he was traded to doesn’t want him.
Could Kuminga for Grimes even work as a deal?
So if they invest in Grimes, what’s that do to VJ and if/when McCain is healthy?
You give Grimes 4/80 and now he’s your starter until you move him. No one is trading for a 20M bench player.
If he was a 6-7, 6-8 SF he’d be signed already.
Love VJ man. He is a humble kid who is so great full to be in NBA. Next Vince to me. He is too young 3-4 yrs away. He can help little by little. No reason to throw him into fire now. That’s why I sign Grimes. VJ can grow and you get a look. Grimes can be moved by TD. Both McCain and VJ are really rookies. Sixers don’t need to depend on them. Just make sure they develop and grow. Too much talent is never a bad thing lol.
Think Murray when you look at Grimes. Nobody even talks about his D. He won Thibs over with his D man. Imo he will take 32 mill two yrs.
@phillyb
But the offer is 1 year “above the QO IF he waives the NTC”, and they’ve floated 4/40 starting with the QO amount in the 1st yr. That’s beyond lowball, it’s essentially telling him to take the QO.
The Warriors lost all their flexibility once they extended Butler
That’s true but they knew the market value for Jonathan Kuminga would be around 20 or $22 million.
They were hoping JK would come to that realization himself so they could work things out in the best interest of everyone.
Right except when all this started you didn’t think he was worth that. How’s that Clarke trade looking now.
A 14 mill contract due to expire. Just so ahead of the game a d you.
Clarke had knee surgery and will be reevaluated in 6 weeks – so it’s is fortunate that trade didn’t happen.
link to cbssports.com
Yeah but he is good for this year. I’m just looking at all options lol. He is a great backup to Jimmy imo.
“Back up for Jimmy” at $25 million a year? Where do you come up with this stuff?
Gary, Al was referring to Clarke as a backup to Jimmy – he’s only making $12.5 mil/yr.
But since he can’t shoot except under the rim and is often hurt, no one would agree that he’s fit on the Warriors.
OK NBA thank you I appreciate the clarification. Sometimes on the website you don’t know who’s replying to who. All the messages line up under the original along the same margin.
Angry Al I still don’t think he’s worth that. And I definitely don’t want Brandon Clarke. He’s a 6-8 power forward who can’t shoot !!
If the Warriors trade JK, they would like a young guy who can play and a first round pick. I thought you knew that?
Gary – I’m curious on your thoughts about the asking price. Do you think a playable young guy + decent FRP is reasonable considering where the Warriors are in this situation. And has the your view on the asking price changed at all in the last couple months as the asking price has remained the same?
I think that was the original ask, and I suppose the Warriors would take whatever they can get at this point. Even DeMar DeRozan and a second round pick lol.
Because as it looks, and I like the way you’ve explained everything, if he takes the qualifying offer he’s gone with no return at the end of the season.
So yes, as time goes forward, the ask changes as the market dictates his value.
Everyone’s pumping up his value and claiming he is going to be such a great player, etc. Well, no one else is seeing it cause they’re not ponying up for it. But that’s also because of salary cap constraints.
All that to say that this is a massive mess and a tough spot for both parties.
I really don’t know what’s going to happen. Do you have a prediction ? Your guess is probably going to be a lot better than mine because I think you have a better handle on some of these restrictions involved.
I think a divorce is unavoidable. Rarely do we see teams and players save face in these situations. I also think it’s just gone on too long. It feels like the Warriors have been operating under the assumption that he’ll just sign the QO since mid summer, which is shocking to me. “No such thing as bad press” is not applicable to a player/team relationship. It just seems to me that they hurt his trade value at a time where they were desperate for his value to increase.
I think there is a bigger picture problem too that people aren’t really considering in terms of lineups this season. Golden State is pretty clearly going all in on Steph. As they should. So consider this -If GS did decide to cave and gave him a deal he likes (let’s just call it 3/78) it is now up to Kerr to ensure they don’t get egg on their face for signing the deal. Kuminga would have to play a lot and play well and play in the big moments. Otherwise his contract gets less tradable by the day. I don’t see Kerr being okay with that being a deciding factor in who he wants to put out there even if JK makes a significant leap. Just not his brand of ball.
I guess my best prediction would be he signs the QO, lets the season play out how it’s going to, then makes a sign and trade deal with the Warriors to go to Phoenix. The two teams that have been attached to him most are Sacramento and Phoenix. I don’t really see a world where Sac can get off of enough money to really make that possible. I mean the definitely COULD but it would be some 7 team Durant type deal which I won’t pretend to understand at all. Suns check a lot of boxes. Desperate and no real sense of direction while still having a really exciting player on the team, enough recent success to be more bold in this type of asset management, and (probably most importantly) an owner who doesn’t care about either of those things. A lot of teams have money next year though so it’s a very tough call. He could also play himself into a larger pay day than he’s expecting. Could end up going the other way too obviously.
I guess in short, it’s easy to predict whats going to happen until we get to June. Then all hell breaks loose.
Well I can tell you I have never read as much as I have today. About the most boring BS around. Salary cap, cap restrictions , cap aprons. And how to get around them. ….only thing I like is getting under aprons. I don’t follow ball for this. I rather wait till it gets done and comment on it then. Kuminga better appreciate it lol.
I’ve said this before even two yrs ago. When Kerr and fans started complaining about Kuminga. Why let it get to this point. When you can just help him look good and MOVE him. And MOVE on. Makes no sense to get to a place where you hurt your team by losing a promising talent for nothing. Or blowing a lottery pick by not developing and handling his growth right.
The best time to move Kuminga was at the draft. The best thing to do now. Is give him the PO on his last yr. The guy is going to be traded anyway. What is the holdup on a guy you don’t want or fits your timeline. Get what you can now and move on. Can still do a sign-trade.
And the QO date can be extended to make a trade happen. Warriors should be talking to everyone. Sign-trade, extend the deadline. Now you can get another young talent. Still the same game plan. Just extothe QO date ………
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The Warriors won’t extend the deadline because they need to sign at least 4 players after Kuminga signs either the overpay or the QO by no later than October 1st. I can’t see them giving him the player option just because Kuminga wants it, even though it’s possible.
I know rosters must be set by oct 20. So I am assuming they would have till then to do it. I just don’t get why they don’t just give him the PO. Why does it matter if you trade him this year. Just trade him to where he agrees to.
I keep telling you why, it’s because it makes him less tradable.
Angry Al you must have the destination set if you’re going to sign him because no team is going to pay JK $25 million a year based on potential.
He’s just not good enough for that money. As everyone says, that contract is untradable. You’ll be stuck with him like many teams are stuck with a guy and he’s on the trading block forever.
So if you find a team that’s willing to pay him that money and I think there’s currently two teams, only then do you give him what he wants and I think that’s three years.
Otherwise it’s 22 million take it or leave it.., maybe 23 million.
That’s why we’re in the conundrum we’re in. I thought you read the article that you linked?
You linked it, but didn’t read it? I read it even though we all know that stuff already but I read it. You should read the articles that you link.