Tre Kelley Working Out With Heat

Former University of South Carolina combo guard Tre Kelley has been working out with the Heat this week, reports Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald (Twitter link). A similar report about John Lucas III emerged Thursday afternoon, shortly before a follow-up revealed that the team had agreed to sign him. It’s unclear if the Heat have a deal with Kelley or are even considering him for one, though his presence in the workouts with less than two weeks to go before the start of camp is a strong indication that the team is at least eyeing him for a job.

The Heat signed Kelley once before, around the start of camp in 2008, but he was only under contract for about a week before they waived him. Kelley, now 30 years old, was in training camp with the Thunder the next year and the Grizzlies in 2010, but he hasn’t scored an NBA contract since, even though a report from 2012 indicated he would sign a camp deal with the Spurs. Three NBA teams apparently had interest in him a year later, but he’s instead remained overseas and in the D-League. He split last season between Pertevniyal Istanbul of Turkey and second-tier Italian team Sigma Barcellona, combining to average 17.8 points, 7.4 assists and 3.4 turnovers in 33.7 minutes per game.

Miami has one open spot left under the 20-man offseason limit, as our roster count shows. The Heat already have seven players who can handle point guard duties, Jackson writes, though that’s a broad interpretation, since only Lucas, Goran Dragic, Mario Chalmers and Tyler Johnson primarily play the point, and the Heat haven’t ruled out trading Chalmers as soon as next month, as Jackson recently reported.

Is there a remaining veteran free agent the Heat should sign instead of Kelley? Leave a comment to let us know.

Spurs Worked Out Carlos Delfino

The Spurs worked out Carlos Delfino earlier this summer, but they didn’t make the nine-year veteran an offer, reports Gery Woelfel of The Journal Times (Twitter link). Delfino, who turned 33 last month, is hoping to return to the NBA, though he hasn’t played since the end of the 2012/13 season, when he broke a bone in his right foot that’s been slow to heal.

The Andy Miller client is still receiving money from the Clippers, who waived him via the stretch provision last summer shortly after acquiring him from the Bucks. Delfino never played for Milwaukee, which signed him to a three-year, $9.8MM deal, with $6.5MM guaranteed, in the summer of 2013, when it appeared he would recover much more quickly from his injury. The Clippers are paying him $650K each season through 2018/19, so they’re probably rooting for Delfino to make it back to the league, since set-off rights could allow them to recoup some of what they owe him if he signs another contract.

San Antonio has deals with 18 players, two fewer than the preseason roster limit, so the Spurs have room to add Delfino if they want to revisit the idea. He averaged 10.6 points in 25.2 minutes per game and shot 37.5% for the Rockets in 2012/13, his last healthy season. All those numbers are better than his career marks.

Will Carlos Delfino ever play in the NBA again? Leave a comment to share your thoughts.

Northwest Notes: Faried, Bennett, Kaman

People close to the Nuggets have indicated that Kenneth Faried played a larger role in the downfall of former coach Brian Shaw than publicly known, according to Ben Dowsett of Basketball Insiders. Trade rumors surrounded Faried for much of the past year, and many people around the league expect Denver will deal him away. Still, Dowsett takes Shaw to task for his performance as a coach last season and calls the hiring of Michael Malone the team’s best offseason addition. See more from the Northwest Division:

  • Anthony Bennett looked strong playing for the Canadian national team during the summer, and Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor downplayed the idea that the Wolves will trade the former No. 1 overall pick, telling Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN Twin Cities, “We shouldn’t assume he’d go” (Twitter link). The Wolves have reportedly been willing to move Bennett for the right return.
  • Chris Kaman would probably fit best on a contender, but he enjoyed playing for the Trail Blazers last season, and Kaman’s level of contentment has had much to do with whether he’s been successful over the past few seasons, as The Oregonian’s Joe Freeman examines. Kaman will make $5.016MM this season in the last year of his contract.
  • The exodus of so many of last season’s Trail Blazers has C.J. McCollum excited about the more prominent role he’s poised to take on this year, one reminiscent of his time as a scoring force in college at Lehigh, as he tells Alex Kennedy of Basketball Insiders. McCollum is hopeful that he can continue to work with Steve Nash, who helped him with his game this summer, even though Nash is reportedly finalizing a deal to become a part-time player development consultant for the Warriors.

Contract Scenarios For Tristan Thompson

It’s crunch time for Tristan Thompson. Training camp starts in less than two weeks, and October 1st is the last day for Thompson to accept his qualifying offer from the Cavaliers. The Rich Paul client could let that date pass and continue to be a restricted free agent, but it seems much more likely that a resolution of some sort will come before then.

The former No. 4 overall pick is not without attractive choices. The Cavaliers have apparently been willing to give him $80MM over five years since his free agency began July 1st, but Thompson believes he can do better. He’s reportedly prepared to sign the qualifying offer if the Cavs don’t deliver a max deal, and Paul has said that if Thompson does take that qualifying offer, which would set him up for unrestricted free agency next summer, the power forward wouldn’t re-sign with the Cavs in 2016. Paul, who just watched client Norris Cole sign his qualifying offer from the Pelicans, apparently believes Thompson can receive a max deal from his hometown Raptors next summer, while another report indicated that Paul has three teams willing to pay him the max if he hits the open market next year.

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Normally, the qualifying offer would entail a financial sacrifice that wouldn’t make sense for a top free agent. However, the spike in the salary cap projected for 2016/17 changes the equation for Thompson. Here’s what a five-year, $80MM contract, like the one the Cavs are apparently offering to Thompson, might look like:

Five-year, $80MM contract
2015/16: $13,913,044
2016/17: $14,956,522
2017/18: $16,000,001
2018/19: $17,043,479
2019/20: $18,086,957
Total: $80,000,000

Here’s what Thompson would make if the Cavs relented and gave him a max deal this year:

Max contract this year from Cavs
2015/16: $16,407,500
2016/17: $17,638,063
2017/18: $18,868,625
2018/19: $20,099,188
2019/20: $21,329,750
Total: $94,343,125

Now, here’s what Thompson would get if he signed his qualifying offer and followed it up by signing a max deal with another team next summer, assuming the NBA’s 2016/17 maximum salary for a player with Thompson’s level of experience comes in at the projected $20.4MM:

Qualifying offer, then leave for max deal
2015/16: $6,777,589
2016/17: $20,400,000 (figure based on projection)
2017/18: $21,318,000 (figure based on projection)
2018/19: $22,236,000 (figure based on projection)
2019/20: $23,154,000 (figure based on projection)
Total: $93,885,589 (figure based on projection)

As you can see, the totals in those last two scenarios are pretty close. So, if the Cavs believe that Thompson can indeed score a max deal elsewhere this summer, they’d have reason to exceed $80MM in their offer.

Let’s look at a couple of other scenarios that could come into play. The Trail Blazers are the only team with enough cap flexibility as of now to sign Thompson to a max offer sheet. It seems unlikely, but Portland signed Enes Kanter to a max offer sheet earlier this summer before the Thunder matched, so we can’t entirely discount the idea. Here’s what Thompson would make on that:

Max offer sheet
2015/16: $16,407,500
2016/17: $17,145,838
2017/18: $17,844,175
2018/19: $18,622,513
Total: $70,060,025
(Estimated 2019/20 max: $28,822,000)

I added an estimate for the 2019/20 max for which Thompson would be eligible, for comparison’s sake, since an offer sheet could only extend for four years while a deal with the Cavs could run for five. If Thompson can get a max deal in 2019, the offer sheet would be more lucrative for him in the long run, though it’s difficult to project four years into the future.

Qualifying offer, then re-sign with Cavs
2015/16: $6,777,589
2016/17: $20,400,000 (figure based on projection)
2017/18: $21,930,000 (figure based on projection)
2018/19: $23,460,000 (figure based on projection)
2019/20: $24,990,000 (figure based on projection)
2020/21: $26,520,000 (figure based on projection)
Total: $124,077,589 (figure based on projection)

Finally, perhaps the most lucrative hypothetical involved would be one that Paul has said Thompson won’t consider. That would entail him playing on his qualifying offer this season and re-signing with the Cavs next summer. He would be able to take advantage of a surging salary cap to make a projected amount of more than $124MM over six years. The first five years of that scenario would add up to $97,557,589, greater than $3MM more than he would get if he simply signed a five-year, maximum-salary contract with the Cavs this summer.

Of course, that doesn’t take into consideration the estimated 2020/21 max of $30.235MM that Thompson could get if he signed a five-year deal with the Cavs this year. So, let’s say that Thompson signs in the next couple of weeks for five years at the max and comes up with another max deal when he hits free agency again in 2020. He’d make an estimated $124,578,125 over the next six seasons, roughly $500K more than he would make in that same period if he signed his qualifying offer and took the projected five-year max from the Cavs next year.

Still, the difference is miniscule enough to suggest that all the hand-wringing over the past two and a half months has been for little reason. Of course, the caveat is Cleveland’s willingness to do the max at any point. If the Cavs aren’t willing to pay Thompson the max now, it’s reasonable to assume they won’t be willing to do so next summer, especially when the max would entail a starting salary of about $4MM more. The luxury tax threshold is projected to be much higher for 2016/17, so that would alleviate some concern for Cleveland, but with a new contract for Timofey Mozgov due a year from now, and LeBron James poised to score yet another more lucrative max deal of his own, the payroll headaches figure to remain.

So, much of it largely comes down to the willingness of both sides to bet on whether Thompson can command the max from one team or another next year. Thompson and Paul seem ready to wager that he will. Soon, we’ll see if the Cavs follow suit.

Which of these scenarios above do you think is the most likely outcome? Leave a comment to share your thoughts.

Central Notes: Bucks, Jackson, Turner

The Bucks signed Greg Monroe to a max contract this summer, but he’s probably not the best player on Milwaukee’s roster, Shaun Powell of NBA.com posits as he examines the team’s offseason. Still, bringing him aboard did much to enhance the franchise’s image, and while the Bucks don’t have a realistic shot at Kevin Durant next summer, their standing with top free agents around the league has improved, Powell believes. It worked out well enough for GM John Hammond to receive an extension this week, so while we wait to see if Milwaukee can keep it up, see more from the Central Division:

Norris Cole Takes Qualifying Offer From Pelicans

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Courtesy of USA Today Sports Images

THURSDAY, 3:00pm: The signing is official, the Pelicans announced.

WEDNESDAY, 11:22am: Restricted free agent Norris Cole has accepted his qualifying offer from the Pelicans, a source tells Brian Windhorst of ESPN.com (Twitter link). Agent Rich Paul confirmed to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports that he’s signed the tender, worth $3,036,927, though the team has made no official announcement (Twitter link). The qualifying offer, which covers one season, sets Cole up for unrestricted free agency next summer, and it also gives him the right to veto trades this season.

The point guard’s free agency had been slow-going, as is common among Paul’s clients. However, the start of camp is less than two weeks away, and fellow Paul client Montrezl Harrell reached an agreement in principle Tuesday with the Rockets. Cavs restricted free agent Tristan Thompson, Paul’s most prominent unsigned client, remains in limbo.

Cole, once he officially signs the qualifying offer, will become the just 20th player to do so since 1995, joining Matthew Dellavedova, who signed his qualifying offer from the Cavaliers in July. Still, it’s no shock that Cole is doing so, as a source told Michael Scotto of SheridanHoops in late July that the 26-year-old saw the qualifying offer as a viable option. Grantland’s Zach Lowe suggests both sides have reason to be comfortable with it (Twitter link). Cole, a backup, will play this season on a salary that’s almost as much as the value of the taxpayer’s mid-level exception and hit the open market next summer, just as the salary cap is set to spike and teams will have money to burn. The Pelicans keep costs in check and preserve about $5MM worth of room beneath the luxury tax line.

The Sixers, Knicks and Lakers all reportedly had interest this summer in the former 28th overall pick, but New Orleans kept up its pursuit and had the right to match offers. New coach Alvin Gentry recently expressed a desire to have Cole re-sign, and Anthony Davis was also hopeful that Cole would be back. Dana Gauruder of Hoops Rumors examined Cole’s free agency in depth last month, concluding that he would do well to sign the qualifying offer.

Cole is becomes the 17th Pelican to have either a signed contract or a verbal agreement with the team, and his addition will give New Orleans 14 fully guaranteed deals. It’ll bump the Pelicans team salary to about $79.652MM, well beneath the $84.74MM tax threshold and their $88.74MM hard cap.

Who do you think benefits the most from a signed qualifying offer, Cole or the Pelicans? Leave a comment to share your thoughts.

Eastern Notes: Wade, Bucks, Nicholson, Celtics

Dwyane Wade praised the Heat brass for the job that they did building the roster for the season ahead, and while he acknowledged the somewhat bumpy path he and the team took to his new one-year, $20MM contract, he reiterated his commitment to Miami. Wade made his comments in a variety of venues today, including on 790 The Ticket radio, as Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald transcribes.

“There’s a business side of everything,” Wade said to 790 The Ticket. “But my heart, and where I always said I wanted to be, was here. I started my career here and I would like to finish it. I came here just happy to be here, just wanting to make this organization proud for drafting me as the fifth pick.”

Wade batted down criticism from local fans that’s extended even to his choice of football jerseys for casual wear, imploring to the 790 The Ticket audience, “Don’t question my loyalty, you all. Do not question my loyalty.” The 11-time All-star will have another chance to back up those words with action when he hits free agency again next summer. See more from the Eastern Conference:

  • Former Nets assistant GM Bobby Marks and Grizzlies executive vice president of player personnel Ed Stefanski are drawing prominent mention for the Bucks assistant GM job, reports Gery Woelfel of The Journal Times (Twitter link). Milwaukee let go of former assistant GM David Morway this week when team reached an extension with GM John Hammond.
  • Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel finds it tough to see where Andrew Nicholson fits in with the Magic as he enters the last season of his rookie scale contract, given that four others who can play power forward are on the roster. Nicholson is eligible for a rookie scale extension this fall, but little, if any, talk has emerged suggesting the Magic will seek to give him one.
  • It’s a waiting game in Boston, where an opportunity for the Celtics to cash in their trade assets hasn’t materialized and the team’s young players still must prove their worth, writes Shaun Powell of NBA.com in his season preview for the team.

Top Bloggers: Dave King On The Suns

Dave King
Dave King

Anyone can have a blog about an NBA team, but some set themselves apart from the rest with the dedication and valuable insight they bring to their craft. We’ll be sharing some knowledge from these dialed-in writers on Hoops Rumors in a new feature called Top Bloggers. As with The Beat, our ongoing series of interviews with NBA beat writers, it’s part of an effort to bring Hoops Rumors readers ever closer to the pulse of the teams they follow.

First up is Dave King of SB Nation’s Bright Side of the Sun, where he serves as managing editor. You can follow Dave on Twitter at @DaveKingNBA, and click here to check out his stories.
Hoops Rumors: Do you think the Suns will ultimately give in to the trade demand from Markieff Morris, and if so, what could they get for him?
Dave King: I have tough time predicting the front office’s moves, as most people do. They didn’t move Eric Bledsoe last year when many said he was on the block, and they’ve yet to move Morris. On the other hand, they’ve traded guys no one thought they’d trade. The only telegraphed moves the Suns have made were the Goran Dragic/Isaiah Thomas trades at the deadline, given all the lead-up to it. And, as you might expect, telegraphed moves are rarely good moves.
I think they would trade Morris for a comparable player in a heartbeat. They might even move him for a prospect with a slightly higher ceiling, even if that means less production in 2015/16. The Rockets, for example, have four power forwards under contract: Donatas Motiejunas, Terrence Jones, Clint Capela and Montrezl Harrell. All are on rookie deals right now, so they don’t need to trade anyone, but the Suns would do well to acquire any of them for Morris. Houston will lose one or both of D-Mo and Jones next summer when they hit restricted free agency and the offers start coming in that Houston can’t match.
There’s probably 25-30 power fowards out there that would be comparable to Morris, which leads us to the Suns’ problems with trading him. If you’re an NBA team with a comparable guy already on the roster and he’s NOT a head case, why swap him to acquire Morris?
Hoops Rumors: The Suns made five-year, $70MM commitment to Brandon Knight after he played only 11 games in a Suns uniform following the trade this February. Is he the right complement to Eric Bledsoe in the backcourt?
Dave King: We won’t know if Knight is a great complement to Bledsoe until the season starts, but I believe they will each put up 18 points and 5 assists a game regardless. That’s their history, and the Suns’ scheme will allow them to continue that trajectory. If the Suns want to make the playoffs, though, one or both will have to improve significantly in one or both areas (scoring/playmaking), and I’m not sure that will happen. The good news is that they are both on the upswing of their careers.
Hoops Rumors: What becomes of former No. 5 overall pick Alex Len after this summer’s signing of Tyson Chandler to a four-year contract? Can Len fulfill his potential while he’s on the same roster as Chandler?
Dave King: This is a good question. In a perfect Suns world, Len becomes a force off the bench for one or two years and gets a chance to become consistently healthy, while Chandler leads the Suns to the playoffs as the starter. Then in 2017, Len takes over as the long-term starter (when he’ll still be just 24 years old) while Chandler shifts to a bench role in his old age. By 2017, a $13MM contract for a center will be comparable to today’s $8MM contract, which is commonplace among fading star centers in their final years.
Worst case, Len never develops and Chandler gets hurt. But then, they’re no worse off than last year.
Hoops Rumors: The Suns have a team option on Jeff Hornacek for 2016/17, but until they pick it up, he’s a lame duck for this season. Hornacek’s agent also denied a report that he declined to interview for the job at Iowa State. Will Hornacek be coaching in Phoenix for much longer?
Dave King: I sure hope so. Hornacek is not the problem (See Dave’s article from today on this topic right here.)
His main shortcoming, if you will, is expecting players to act like adults and having little patience for those who don’t. He wants to be a teacher and facilitator, not a dad. When they complain, he brushes it off rather than handling the kid like a millennial who needs constant reinforcement. But other than that, Hornacek is a perfect coach. He’s clever and willing to take risks, and somehow has coaxed a 87-77 record from a bunch of inexperienced non-stars in a league dominated by stars. Give him a single All-Star and you might just see sustained playoff appearances. Give him two, and who knows how far he’d take it.
Hoops Rumors: How far away are the Suns from convincing a marquee free agent to sign with them, as LaMarcus Aldridge nearly did this summer? Was Aldridge an outlier, or will we see others follow in his footsteps and seriously consider Phoenix in the years to come?
Dave King: Players go for the money and the quality of the presentation. As long as the Suns stay on the right path, players will see themselves as the final piece to a good puzzle. There won’t be any problem with recruiting, just as there wasn’t this summer. The Suns nearly stole the show with Aldridge and Chandler, coming up just short.
Hoops Rumors: What are reasonable expectations for the Suns this season?
Dave King: If each player just repeats their game from last season, reasonable expectations are another .500-ish season and a 9/10 seed in the West. There still aren’t any All-Stars on the team, and still no proof they can overcome that shortcoming any better than previous years. If Bledsoe, Knight or another player or two develop really quickly, or if Chandler has a reprisal of his Defensive Player of the Year season, the Suns can easily slip into the bottom half of the West playoff bracket.

Knicks Notes: Porzingis, Galloway, Isiah

Phil Jackson‘s concerns about the slender frame of Kristaps Porzingis have fueled the fire of this year’s No. 4 overall pick, as Porzingis made clear Wednesday, writes Stefan Bondy of the New York Daily News. Jackson had expressed worry to Charley Rosen of ESPN.com that “like Shawn Bradley, who was nevertheless a pretty good player, KP might almost be too tall for the game.”

“Yeah I saw it. I don’t know what to say. I guess that’s what Phil does, gets us to work hard and fired up. That fired me up. I’m like, ‘I’m not Shawn Bradley,’ you know?” Porzingis said, according to Bondy. “I want to be better than Shawn Bradley obviously and be stronger than him, but I’m a different player.”

The 7’2″ Porzingis, who’s gained 11 pounds this summer eating at least 5,000 calories a day, said that he declined to play for the Latvian national team at the Eurobasket tournament this month because the Knicks encouraged him not to, Bondy also notes. See more on the blue-and-orange here:

  • Langston Galloway‘s partial guarantee jumped from $220K to $440K when he remained on the Knicks roster through Tuesday, as our schedule of contract guarantee dates shows. Eric Pincus of Basketball Insiders first reported the guarantee structure. Galloway now has the league’s fifth-largest partial guarantee for this season.
  • The success Isiah Thomas has had with the New York Liberty, whom he secretly began working with in January before the team announced his hiring in May, probably hasn’t increased his chances to return to the Knicks, writes Marc Berman of the New York Post. Officials with MSG indicated to Berman that owner James Dolan still has no desire to reinsert Thomas, with whom Dolan is friends, into the line of fire as Knicks president. Thomas and Knicks GM Steve Mills, whom Jackson wants as his successor in the team president’s role, aren’t close, Berman notes.
  • Porzingis was New York’s top offseason addition, Tommy Beer of Basketball Insiders opines, in an offseason in which the team’s free agent acquisitions simply weren’t of the caliber that Jackson was hired to make, as fellow Basketball Insiders scribe Lang Greene also writes in the site’s season preview.

Pacific Notes: Morris, Kobe, Nash, Thompson

Suns free agent signee Tyson Chandler is optimistic that the team and Markieff Morris can resolve their differences, having gone through a tenuous time himself years ago when New Orleans traded him to the Thunder only to have Oklahoma City nix the deal, as Paul Coro of the Arizona Republic details. Phoenix doesn’t intend to fulfill the trade demand that Morris has made, Coro writes, which jibes with his report from earlier and what Grantland’s Zach Lowe heard, even though Morris reportedly plans on greeting the Suns front office with silence and coach Jeff Hornacek with only one-word answers if they bring him to camp.

“It’s not about them,” Chandler said to Coro about Suns executives. “That’s no offense to Ryan [McDonough], the GM, or the owner. Players play for players and the coaches. You’ve got a bond. Management has nothing to do with anything that goes on when you’re on the court. That’s just my thoughts. I’m not saying this for anything against Keef either. He’s a man and he has to go through his own process. But he can be special and I know he will. I feel like all this stuff will be forgotten once we kick off and we’re having success.”

See more from the Pacific Division:

  • The Lakers announced a nine-month recovery timetable when Kobe Bryant had surgery to repair his torn right rotator cuff in January, which would have made his return in time for camp a close call, but he’s been medically cleared for all basketball activities, Bleacher Report’s Kevin Ding hears.
  • Warriors coach Steve Kerr is high on what Steve Nash can bring as a part-time player development consultant for the team, though he cautioned in an interview with Tim Kawakami of the Bay Area News Group that the deal to hire him for that role isn’t official. Kerr added that he won’t ask Nash to return to play, as the Mavs reportedly considered doing. “In Phoenix we grew very close and he’s probably the smartest basketball player I’ve ever been around in my life, not only the way he played but the way he prepared and trained and thought about the game,” Kerr said to Kawakami. “I just felt like if we could just get him to help out, just be around our guys occasionally and develop relationships, spend some time on the floor with them occasionally, it’d be a big help.”
  • Kerr expressed his desire for continuity, though he does envision a role for trade acquisition Jason Thompson, as he said to Kawakami for the same piece. The coach was also quick to point to his fondness to James Michael McAdoo, who has only a partially guaranteed deal with the Warriors.