7:57pm: Celtics officials believe they were “completely transparent” regarding Thomas’ physical condition and will “strongly resist” adding to the deal, tweets Chris Mannix of The Vertical.
6:51pm: The Cavaliers are refusing to comment on Wojnarowski’s report, according to Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com. Two sources told him the team is “still in the review process” and hasn’t determined whether to ask Boston for additional assets to complete the deal.
6:00pm: The Cavaliers plan to ask for “further compensation” before agreeing to complete the Kyrie Irving deal with the Celtics, reports ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. Sources tell him that Cavs officials could threaten to veto the trade unless additions are made.
The decision was made after Cleveland’s front office reviewed the results of a physical that Isaiah Thomas underwent on Friday. Thomas is dealing with a hip injury that he aggravated in the playoffs and may not be ready for the start of the upcoming season.
It hasn’t been reported what the Cavaliers plan to ask for, but speculation revolves around the many first- and second-round picks that Boston has accumulated in recent years. The teams discussed Thomas’ condition, sources tell Wojnarowski, but Cleveland could argue that the Celtics weren’t completely forthcoming about the extent of the injury or the likelihood that he might miss the beginning of the season. Celtics president Danny Ainge admitted this week that Thomas’ injury had “some” influence on the decision to trade him.
Under league rules, the deadline to take physicals is Wednesday at 10 a.m. Eastern for all players involved in the trade, with the deadline for passing physicals set for 24 hours later. That gives the Cavaliers and Celtics until Thursday morning to finalize the deal, although that could be extended if both sides agree to do so.
Thomas’ injury, a strain of the right hip, forced him to miss two games during the regular season. It became an issue again in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals and sidelined him for the rest of the playoffs.
Both teams would face awkward situations if the deal falls apart, Wojnarowski notes. Irving had requested a trade out of Cleveland, and the Cavs would have a difficult time finding an offer better than Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Nets’ unprotected first-rounder for next year. The Celtics, meanwhile, would have to repair relations with three players who were traded away, and may have to find a new point guard if Thomas’ injury keeps him sidelined for an extended time.
Tell them to kiss off. They won’t get a deal as good as that anywhere else.
Celtics have to trade Isaiah and Crowder at this point. Keeping them would cause huge chemistry problems and no other team will trade for Isaiah now that his hip appears to be a significant problem
Yeah I would have to agree the celtics would be the ones screwed from this trade being void. Either way I would love to see that happen just for the craziness!
C’s won’t get screwed if they take them back because IT is playing in a contract year and Crowder is now more expendable with Hayward, Tatum, and Brown, so just call the young Cavs GM’s bluff because Cleveland needs the deal way more than the Celts!
This trade is all about the pick. IT Can light it up one night and be a liability the next 3. LeBron isn’t beating GS with IT. This aid all about getting the pick.
They can plan to ask… Celtics should refuse to include more. They already overpaid by including the Nets pick.
Then trade will be voided.
I hope it does. Lebrons definitely leaving. Cavs need the pick when it happens. They’re trying to get as much as they can to jump start their rebuild. Danny better see right through this bluff.
A second round pick
I wouldn’t at all be suprised to see LeBron tighten the noose around the Cavs F.O.’S neck by moaning and complaining for them to trade the Nets pick, and whatever future pick they acquire from Boston to get him a “better team.” And allowing them to believe acquiring more talent will give them a better chance of keeping him, even though he’s going to leave regardless…
Poor Cavs…LeBron is an asset succubus…lol
Yeah, I can’t believe LeBron had the Cavs trade Andrew Wiggins, who hasn’t shown he can do anything but score at this point, for a double-double machine who played crucial lockdown defense on Steph Curry in order to help the Cavs win their first ever finals. The only other young asset the Cavs have given up at the behest of LeBron is their 2019 1st (Top 10 Protected). All of their other picks were traded before LeBron even went to the Heat when the Cavs had abysmal management.
Shuttup with your “poor Cavs” routine. These are the years, I do not know how you cannot tell. James can.
hahah. this is great. really hoping for a void just for the entertainment.
right lol
Seriously. This off-season is incredible. What is football?
Nate Silver, is that you?
Unless the Cavs have a deal in mind with the extra pick to get a PG, they need to ask for something the Celts won’t give so they can kill it. Give the Bucks a call to see if they’ll up the ante, and if not just keep KI (sorry kid, we tried).
And let him sit, paying him his contract and being a poor team basically forcing Lebron out? Great idea haha
Yes, I’m sure he’ll sit out. LOL. Do you believe everything these guys say? KI said the Earth is flat too. [And you don’t have to pay a guy who sits out.] LeBron coming back isn’t going to depend on some remote draft pick and Crowder/Zizic (he knows KI could sit out the whole season and they’d still get that).
As a Celtics fan this was already an overpay, and I’ll be pissed if Ainge let’s the Cavs scam him out of more assets. Cavs knew IT was injured already.
Love it when Celtics fans cry, throw up their hands, and admit they are hopeless until LeBron retires or leaves the conference.
Cavs will be so dumb to back out the pick they got alone can net them huge dividends back. All reports said Thomas is questionable for opening night before the trade was agreed on and the Celtics offered far more then any other team, plus kyrie already stated he’ll sit out till he’s traded. Celtics are in the drivers seat right now.
Nets pick and Thompson for Cousins before deadline.
Right now the Cavs have nothing compelling in the backcourt. Unless they have another trade on tap with Celtic pieces they need to retain Irving otherwise the season will fizzle out and James will be gone, not to mention… the squandered 2018.
Just what is Thomas capable of in 2018 and beyond? Is it just that he did not want to ruin his contract year with routine surgery? What did the Celtic FO reveal to the Cavs FO about him?
Stick to your guns, Danny. Not a penny more.
Good thing you got that out here on Trade Rumors. Ainge obviously got the message, going to bargain hard just because you said so. Make sure to yell at the TV if Price ever pitches in a Red Sox uniform again, I’m sure it will help.
Cavs lose nothing if the trade is vetoed. They can tell Irving camo they did there best but it made them worst in the long run to accept that trade. Celtics are the ones that have skrewed themselves and now will have a broken lockeroom lmao. Ainge is a moron haha
what do u know ,a laker ,a loser, how many rings in la * 11 minneapolis 5 how many in boston 17 . when were u in last in playoffs??? “ESAD”
10 were in la when there was actually relevant competition. 12 of yours were in a time when there were only like 6 teams. Titles in the last twenty years? Lakers 5 celtics 1 lmao
LeBron’s a genius! I smell a cavs sweep
2018 ECF.
The celtics Need to add Tatum to make
The trade all square! HaHa
Exactly right. Going to add Osman to Celtics, Tatum to Cavaliers. Koby needs to make sure the team is set up for LeBron’s West Coast sojourn.
The Cavs would be dumb not to take this deal anyway. Its a huge overpay for Kyrie but IT is on his last year so he is really the least important piece of this maneuver…
Cleveland is clearly trying to milk it and its making them look incredibly pathetic right now.
Typical pathetic Celtics fan, trying for the petty victory because the sad sack knows LeBron will crush them every time. Have some pride, get a star like Kyrie, and go to war! Ainge is a terrible GM. He’s about to cost your team a third star in three months.
There are options besides draft picks. Swap out Thomas amd Zizic (neither are ready) for Smart and Brown. Thomas should be in Boston.
Has anyone considered that the Cavs may have gone into this intentionally trying to screw the Celts? Think about it: Cavs make the trade and go public with their dissatisfaction. They then ask the Celts for another 1st and the Celts (rightfully) balk because they feel they a) were honest from the get-go and b) already paid enough. At this point the trade is nullified and all the players are sent back to original teams.
The Cavs can now send Irving to another team, like Milwaukee and are no worse for wear. The Celts, however, now have a player that is publicly considered damaged goods and horrible team chemistry. Cavs win big time if the trade doesn’t go through and they win big if it does.
Only a Celtic fan would consider that. LOL. Yeah, cause by screwing with Boston’s chemistry, maybe the Cavs can finally get past the Celtics into the Finals this coming year.
That would be a new level of psy-combat. Wow. No I don’t think they are at that level imo, but I totally get your point.
This is complete manure – No team would make this deal without checking medical conditions BEFORE signing papers – I honestly believe that Cleveland is doing this to play with Boston’s chemistry by trying to return Thomas (who would now really know he’s where he’s not appreciated in Boston thus screwing the Celtic locker room) and then Cleveland turns around trades Irving elsewhere.
No. Cavs can’t just access IT’s medical records because they’re interested and negotiating a trade unless all 3 parties (both teams and the player) agree, and nobody would. What if they don’t make a deal? Do you think Boston (let alone IT) wants the Cavs knowing IT’s medical information?
Delusional claptrap. Ainge thought he was getting the best of a noob GM but it’s same old Danny, screwing it up unless it falls in his lap a la Garnett.
Wow just read the previous thread and see we’re both on the exact page!
You’re welcome?
How about this as a solution?
They agree to swap picks in the 1st round of this year, and the 2nd round of the next year in which they both have their 2nd rounders, which looks to possibly be 2021. If the Celtics have a better record (and therefore a lower pick), no picks are swapped.
Maybe toss in an additional 2nd for a few years down the road?
(While I am a Cavs fan, and would like them to get everything they can possibly get in a renegotiation, I don’t know if it’ll be possible.)
Yea…no.