Atlantic Notes: Celtics, Fultz, Covington, Doyle
The Celtics are unhappy that the Cavaliers are asking for more compensation in the Kyrie Irving trade and may be planning a hard-line response, tweets Gary Washburn of The Boston Globe. The Celtics front office believes it was fully honest about the condition of Isaiah Thomas when the teams discussed his injured hip prior to completing the deal. The Cavaliers seem to think that Thomas is months away from returning to action, according to Tony Jones of The Salt Lake Tribune (Twitter link), who also speculates that Boston could offer to include Terry Rozier to get the trade completed. (Twitter link).
There’s more from the Atlantic Division:
- A pair of Sixers players are vowing to be ready when training camp opens next month. Markelle Fultz, the top pick in the draft, told Jessica Camerato of CSNPhilly that he is optimistic after suffering a lateral sprain to his left ankle during the Las Vegas Summer League (Twitter link). Robert Covington, who was shut down for the season in late March with a slight tear of his lateral meniscus, also expects to be fully healed by camp (Twitter link).
- Rookie point guard Milton Doyle is confident that he can earn a roster spot in Brooklyn, according to a story on NetsDaily. A first team all-Missouri Valley Conference player last season at Loyola, Chicago, Doyle signed a training camp deal with the Nets in early August. He caught the eyes of team officials by averaging 10.5 points per game during summer league play, but he may be ticketed for the G League.
- Phil Jackson’s reign as president of the Knicks didn’t turn out the way he hoped, but New York Liberty president Isiah Thomas doesn’t think Jackson harmed his legacy, relays Marc Berman of The New York Post. “Believe me, Phil, myself, Donnie Walsh, Larry Brown, Lenny [Wilkins], all of us go back and try to figure out, man what did we do wrong?,’’ Thomas said. “If we can do it all over again, what would we do different? That’s the thing we love in New York. It brings out the best in you as a person because you really get pushed to the wall in terms of trying to figure out how to win and put it together and satisfy the fan base. That’s why we all want to crack that egg.” Thomas also praised Carmelo Anthony for the way he handled a string of negative comments from Jackson.
Community Shootaround: Sweetening The Deal
Though the Cavaliers haven’t confirmed it, a report tonight says they won’t approve the trade of Kyrie Irving to the Celtics unless Boston throws in at least one more asset.
The sticking point is the condition of Isaiah Thomas‘ hip, which Cleveland officials contend is worse than they expected after seeing the results of Friday’s physical. The Cavs are believed to want another player or an extra draft pick included to compensate them for the time Thomas might miss, while sources say the Celtics insist they were honest about Thomas in trade talks and will resist any effort to sweeten the deal.
At this stage, both teams have incentives to get the trade done. Cleveland has been getting positive reviews for the package it was able to get for Irving, who put the franchise in a difficult position by demanding a trade. The Cavs picked up Thomas, who has been an All-Star the past two seasons, along with Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Nets’ unprotected first-rounder for next year. If the deal is called off, Cleveland would have to resume efforts to trade Irving less than a month from camp and would be hard pressed to obtain four similar assets.
The Celtics may have burned their bridges with Thomas (as did some of their fans who set his jersey on fire on social media), who has been greatly underpaid for his production during his two and a half seasons in Boston. There’s no way to know how long Thomas might be sidelined, potentially leaving the Celtics shorthanded in the backcourt for an extended stretch. Plus, Thomas will be a free agent next summer and may see the collapsed deal as a sign that he’s not appreciated in Boston. Crowder would also be returning to an uncomfortable situation, although he’s under contract through 2019/20.
Considering both teams’ situations and their desire to be the top seed in the East, should the Celtics sweeten the trade if the Cavaliers demand it, and how much should they agree to? Please leave your responses in the space below. We look forward to what you have to say.
Nerlens Noel May Face Similar Market in 2018
Mavericks center Nerlens Noel will take his chances as an unrestricted free agent next summer after accepting the team’s $4.1 MM qualifying offer for this season. There were conflicting reports about whether Dallas ever offered a four-year deal in the $70MM range, but regardless, the third-year big man is committed to one more season with the Mavs for less than he made last year.
The lack of interest is partially the plight of being a restricted free agent, but ESPN’s Kevin Pelton [Insider account] isn’t sure Noel will get the max offer he wants in 2018.
There will be fewer teams with money to spend, as Pelton identifies just six franchises that appear to have the cap room to extend a max offer. One of those is the Lakers, who figure to have their eyes on bigger prizes than Noel. The Pacers with Myles Turner and the Jazz with Rudy Gobert won’t be spending money on another center, and the Sixers don’t figure to bring Noel back to town.
That leaves just the Hawks, who could have more than $30MM available if Dewayne Dedmon and Mike Muscala both turn down their player options, and the Bulls, who seem destined to have more than $40MM and might be ready for a new direction in the middle.
Pelton notes that it has been a particularly rough summer for free agent centers, with Pau Gasol getting the largest contract by re-signing with the Spurs for $49MM over three years. With many teams de-emphasizing the position and others already set, unrestricted free agency won’t gurantee Noel the payday he wants.
Cavaliers To Request Extra Compensation From Celtics
7:57pm: Celtics officials believe they were “completely transparent” regarding Thomas’ physical condition and will “strongly resist” adding to the deal, tweets Chris Mannix of The Vertical.
6:51pm: The Cavaliers are refusing to comment on Wojnarowski’s report, according to Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com. Two sources told him the team is “still in the review process” and hasn’t determined whether to ask Boston for additional assets to complete the deal.
6:00pm: The Cavaliers plan to ask for “further compensation” before agreeing to complete the Kyrie Irving deal with the Celtics, reports ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski. Sources tell him that Cavs officials could threaten to veto the trade unless additions are made.
The decision was made after Cleveland’s front office reviewed the results of a physical that Isaiah Thomas underwent on Friday. Thomas is dealing with a hip injury that he aggravated in the playoffs and may not be ready for the start of the upcoming season.
It hasn’t been reported what the Cavaliers plan to ask for, but speculation revolves around the many first- and second-round picks that Boston has accumulated in recent years. The teams discussed Thomas’ condition, sources tell Wojnarowski, but Cleveland could argue that the Celtics weren’t completely forthcoming about the extent of the injury or the likelihood that he might miss the beginning of the season. Celtics president Danny Ainge admitted this week that Thomas’ injury had “some” influence on the decision to trade him.
Under league rules, the deadline to take physicals is Wednesday at 10 a.m. Eastern for all players involved in the trade, with the deadline for passing physicals set for 24 hours later. That gives the Cavaliers and Celtics until Thursday morning to finalize the deal, although that could be extended if both sides agree to do so.
Thomas’ injury, a strain of the right hip, forced him to miss two games during the regular season. It became an issue again in Game 2 of the Eastern Conference finals and sidelined him for the rest of the playoffs.
Both teams would face awkward situations if the deal falls apart, Wojnarowski notes. Irving had requested a trade out of Cleveland, and the Cavs would have a difficult time finding an offer better than Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic and the Nets’ unprotected first-rounder for next year. The Celtics, meanwhile, would have to repair relations with three players who were traded away, and may have to find a new point guard if Thomas’ injury keeps him sidelined for an extended time.
Celtics Have Picks To Offer To Complete Irving Deal
The Celtics have plenty of draft picks available if Cleveland asks for another asset to complete the Kyrie Irving trade. The deal is currently on hold as the Cavaliers review the results of Isaiah Thomas‘ physical, and Brian Kalbrosky of HoopsHype examines some options for resolving the impasse.
Boston owns the Grizzlies’ 2019 first-rounder, which could be very valuable if Memphis decides to start rebuilding a team that is already showing some age. The pick is protected from spots 1-8 in 2019, 1-6 in 2020, then becomes fully unprotected in 2021. It’s a selection that could have as much value as the Nets’ pick that the Celtics just agreed to send to Cleveland.
Boston also has the Lakers’ first-rounder for next year, but only if it falls in the 2-5 range. If not, the Celtics will get the better of the Kings’ or Sixers’ first-rounders in 2019, unless it falls first overall. Another deal brought Boston the rights to a future Clippers’ first-rounder, which is lottery protected in both 2019 and 2020. If it doesn’t convey in either of those years, it will become a second-round pick in 2022.
In addition, the Celtics own all their future first-rounders and a wealth of second-rounders that they have collected over the years.
The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor tweets that Boston officials have been worried about Thomas’ hip becoming an issue since the trade was completed, and he believes an extra draft pick for Cleveland is the most likely outcome.
Boston has a competitive interest in having the trade go through, notes Adam Himmelsbach of The Boston Globe, because having an injured Thomas on the Cavaliers at the start of the season would give the Celtics an easier path to the top seed (Twitter link).
Hoops Rumors Originals: 8/19/17 – 8/26/17
Every week, the Hoops Rumors writing team compiles original content to complement our news feed. Enjoy our favorite segments and features from the past seven days:
- Here are the decisions on 2018/19 rookie scale team options.
- Here are the cap, tax, and FA implications of the Celtics/Cavs blockbuster.
- Who are the 2018 NBA Free Agents by Team?
- Arthur Hill discussed LeBron James, the Lakers, and why teams let their players risk injuries in international tournaments in his weekly Sunday mailbag. Submit your questions via Twitter (@HoopsRumors) or by sending us an email (hoopsrumorsmailbag@gmail.com).
- Check out our free Trade Rumors app available for IOS and Android.
- Here are the questions we asked you in our Community Shootaround discussions and polls this week:
- Is the Joakim Noah signing the main reason Phil Jackson got fired?
- If found guilty, how should the Lakers be punished for tampering?
- Which team got the better of the blockbuster Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas trade? We have a community shootaround and a poll.
- Who will be the Warriors‘ top challenger this season?
- Where will Carmelo Anthony begin the season?
- Who will win the 2017/18 Rookie of the Year award?
Northwest Notes: McDermott, Thunder, Nelson, Blazers
As Doug McDermott prepares for his first full season with the Thunder, he knows that he will have to improve, writes Nick Gallo of NBA.com. “I try to add something each summer because I don’t want to stay the same player,” McDermott said. “I feel like I can still get a lot better.”
McDermott will need to be a more dynamic threat. The forward must take better advantage of post-up opportunities, as he did in high school and college. “I’m just more than a spot-up shooter. I know I can move without the ball, and I think that just puts more pressure on them, and it can open up more things for everyone out there,” McDermott explained.
“The way the league is trending, it’s getting smaller with a lot of small ball and guys that can really spread the floor regardless of their position. I feel like I’m just a basketball player,” McDermott added. “I’m excited after talking with Coach Donovan. We’ve got a great facility here, and it’s a great city, too, so I plan on bouncing around a little bit, having some fun, but also coming here ready to work.”
Here’s more from the Northwest division:
- Of all the teams trading for superstar players this offseason, the Thunder gave up the least in return, argues Berry Tramel of NewsOK.com. Tramel looks at the Paul George trade, as well as the deals involving Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler, and Kyrie Irving, and the scribe pronounces that the Thunder traded away the least value.
- Mike Jensen of Philly.com profiles Nuggets veteran point guard Jameer Nelson, focusing on what it takes to thrive in the NBA at Nelson’s advanced age of 35 years old. Nelson’s boxing training has helped him stay in peak physical condition. “He’s in better shape than the first five years I trained him,’’ Nelson’s trainer said, adding that Nelson picked up boxing part “like it was walking.”
- The Trail Blazers have named Jesse Ellis the new Director of Player Health and Performance. “The addition of Jesse is another step toward developing the finest health and performance staff in the NBA,” said general manager Neil Olshey.
Five Key Stories: 8/19/17 – 8/26/17
Here are some of the most noteworthy stories from the past week at Hoops Rumors:
Kyrie Irving was traded to the Celtics for a package including all-star Isaiah Thomas. The blockbuster trade also witnessed Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Nets’ 2018 first-round pick (unprotected) heading to Cleveland. Irving waived his trade kicker so the trade could be completed. The swap, which is being complicated by Thomas’ troublesome right hip, will be re-evaluated by the teams on Saturday.
This week, the Clippers hired a new general manager and two assistant GMs. Michael Winger will soon be finalized as the new GM. He had previously served as both assistant GM and team counsel for Oklahoma City. Trent Redden, now one of the Clippers’ assistant GMs, had worked in Cleveland’s front office. The other assistant GM hire is Mark Hughes, a longtime Knicks executive.
The Lakers are under investigation for tampering with Paul George. The Pacers initiated the investigation around the time of the draft. About a week later, Indiana traded George to the Thunder. According to Kurt Helin, it will be virtually impossible to prove the Lakers legitimately tampered with George unless the team left a “paper trail.” The focus of the investigation is impermissible contact between Magic Johnson and George.
Andrew Wiggins has filed paperwork to leave BDA Sports after his agent Bill Duffy negotiated his five-year, maximum salary extension for the Timberwolves. Wiggins is leaving his agent with that deal not yet agreed upon. It is expected to be worth about $148MM. Darren Wolfson says that Wiggins will likely sign with a Canadian agent who works for a major agency in the United States.
Nerlens Noel has signed a qualifying offer to remain with the Mavs. The offer is for one year and $4.1 MM. He also switched agents from Happy Walters to Rich Paul earlier in the week. Paul also represents LeBron James and John Wall, among many other NBA players.
Ten More Stories:
- The Pacers exercised their 2018/19 option on Myles Turner.
- Here’s the latest on Dwyane Wade and a potential buyout with the Bulls.
- Incoming NBA rookies view Dennis Smith Jr. as the favorite to win Rookie of the Year.
- Trade talks between the Knicks and Rockets regarding Carmelo Anthony are being described as “fairly dormant.”
- Veteran Manu Ginobili signed a two-year deal to remain with the Spurs.
- Suns rookie Davon Reed will be out 4-6 months with a knee injury.
- Reportedly there is mutual interest between Josh Smith and the Rockets on a reunion.
- Here are the NBA G League expansion draft results.
- USA Basketball announced its AmeriCup roster.
- Before Irving was dealt to Boston, the Bucks made a competitive offer for the point guard.
Nerlens Noel Signs Qualifying Offer, Returning to Mavs
Nerlens Noel has signed a one-year, $4.2MM qualifying offer to return to the Mavericks, Chris Haynes of ESPN tweets. Having failed to find a long-term off he liked in restricted free agency, the big man is now on track to become an unrestricted free agent in 2018.
On Wednesday, it was reported that Noel turned down a Mavs offer in the range of $17.5MM per year. Haynes suggests that Noel’s reported $17MM+ offer was non-existent in any form, but Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN tweets that, according to sources, the RFA did turn down a four-year, $70MM offer made on July 1. Tim McMahon of ESPN clarifies (link via Twitter) that Noel asked the Mavs for a max contract and then the four-year offer was pulled soon thereafter.
Noel appeared in 22 games for the Mavs after being traded from the 76ers, starting 12 of them and playing 22.0 MPG. In his three-season NBA career, the Kentucky product is averaging 10.0 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 1.6 SPG, and 1.5 BPG. Although he’s mainly known for his defensive prowess, Noel’s career FG% is 51.1%.
While Noel accepting a one-year deal worth $4.188MM is somewhat surprising, there simply weren’t many teams left with cap room this year that could have given him a realistic offer sheet — currently, no club has more cap room than the Sixers, who weren’t about to make a bid to bring back the former lottery pick.
Earlier this week, on August 21, Noel switched agents from Happy Walters to Rich Paul. Paul didn’t have much to do for Noel this summer, but he’ll be tasked with negotiating the young center’s next deal in 2018.
Noel will have more freedom when he reaches the open market next season, though he won’t necessarily be guaranteed a massive payday — cap space isn’t expected to be quite as abundant around the NBA in 2018 as it has been the last two summers.
Having accepted his qualifying offer, Noel now must consent to any trade if the Mavs look to deal him this year. If he agrees to be traded, he would surrender his Bird rights, as Bobby Marks of ESPN notes (link via Twitter).
With today’s signing, Noel becomes the first restricted free agent to sign a qualifying offer since 2015 when Norris Cole and Matthew Dellavedova both did so. Greg Monroe is the most notable restricted free agent to sign a qualifying offer in recent years, having done so in 2014. Four 2017 RFAs now remain unsigned: Mason Plumlee (Nuggets), Nikola Mirotic (Bulls), JaMychal Green (Grizzlies), and Alex Len (Suns).
Luke Adams contributed to this post. Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Cavaliers, Celtics Set To Discuss Issues With Mega Trade
With Isaiah Thomas‘ troublesome hip holding up the blockbuster trade agreed upon earlier this week, the Cavaliers and Celtics will discuss the issue on Saturday, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
On Tuesday, both teams agreed to a deal that would send Irving to Boston in exchange for Thomas, Jae Crowder, Ante Zizic, and the Nets’ unprotected first round pick. At the time, it was reported that Thomas’ hip — which caused him to miss a portion of the NBA Playoffs — was a cause for concern and a reason why the Celtics decided to move him. Celtics general manager Danny Ainge spoke with reporters on a conference call after the deal was announced and mentioned that Thomas’ hip played “some” part in his decision to deal the beloved point guard.
Wojnarowski reported at the time that the Cavaliers were “anxious” to give Thomas his physical but had made the deal with the belief he would be healthy.
Both sides have up until Thursday to come to a resolution. As Wojnarowski mentions, there are three possible outcomes to this current situation: the Cavaliers can pass Thomas on the physical and complete the deal as is; request additional compensation from Boston; or veto the deal altogether.
Thomas took the physical in question on Friday in Cleveland and Irving is currently in Boston to take his physical, according to Joe Vardon of Cleveland.com (Twitter link).
Thomas, 29, and Irving, 26, both had comparable seasons in 2016/17 but Thomas is a free agent after 2017/18 whereas Irving comes with two years of control. Boston was reportedly reluctant to give Thomas the maximum deal he desired and this trade not only brought in a younger All-Star point guard but eliminated the issue of having to pay Thomas.
While several days remain before a final verdict is required, both sides will reportedly work to reach a determination sooner rather than later.