10:08pm: The Knicks intend to offer Brunson a four-year contract worth approximately $110MM, Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports tweets.
4:53pm: The Mavericks have believed for the last couple weeks that Brunson is headed to the Knicks, according to Tim Cato of The Athletic, who tweets that it’s viewed as a virtual “certainty” at this point.
4:01pm: It’s “widely anticipated” that free agent point guard Jalen Brunson will land with the Knicks in free agency on a four-year deal worth more than $100MM, reports Tim MacMahon of ESPN (Twitter link).
Marc Stein has heard similar rumblings, tweeting that there’s a “growing resignation” from the Mavericks‘ end that New York is Brunson’s first choice and his inevitable destination.
The Knicks project to have about $17MM in cap room if they waive Taj Gibson and his non-guaranteed salary, so they’d need to make at least one move to create the flexibility necessary to offer $25MM+ per year to Brunson. However, they could realistically get there by trading either Alec Burks or Nerlens Noel — both players have been involved in recent trade rumors, with Ian Begley of SNY.tv suggesting the Nets and Raptors are among the teams to register some interest in Noel.
Brunson and the Knicks have been linked to one another for months. As has been repeated ad nauseam, Knicks president of basketball operations Leon Rose is Brunson’s former agent, Rose’s son Sam Rose is Brunson’s current agent, and Brunson’s father Rick Brunson was recently hired as a Knicks assistant.
Still, the Mavericks had long projected confidence in their ability to re-sign Brunson. Although the point guard will be an unrestricted free agent, Dallas holds his Bird rights, giving the team the ability to offer him more money and more years than any other suitor. But the Mavs’ confidence appears to be waning with free agency right around the corner.
According to Chris Mannix of SI.com (Twitter link), part of the Knicks’ pitch to Brunson is the ability to be the full-time starting point guard. In Dallas, he’s more of a secondary option at the position, with Luka Doncic running the show.
The Knicks don’t view Brunson as a “potential franchise-altering savior,” per Begley, but rather as an important piece of the process. The 25-year-old is considered to be a good fit for the timeline of some of New York’s other young players, Begley adds.
The Mavs project to be far over the cap, limiting their ability to secure an adequate replacement for Brunson if he does head to New York. If Dallas knows Brunson is leaving, the team could attempt to work out a sign-and-trade agreement with the Knicks, but may not have much leverage to do so if New York has cap room available for a $100MM+ offer.
Dallas can’t “afford” to lose him. He’s really important over there….
If they are willing to do a S&T they could get Burks and some other role players back, while allowing the Knicks to use their cap room to sign other FAs then completing the deal for Brunson after since they will be hard capped but way below. It would allow the Knicks 18M in cap space while returning Noel/Burks to the Mavs if they want them.
Not bad. Both are good players.
Won’t work because Mavs already over the hard cap with guaranteed contracts, which means they wouldn’t be able to take any salaries back in a sign and trade scenario unless they dump other salaries. But why would they dump guys like Kleber, Powell, Bullock, and being able to use their taxpayer MLE to replace them with Noel, Burks, and vet minimums? Doesn’t make any sense for Dallas. They wouldn’t even be able to use their taxpayer MLE anymore as they would be hard capped.
Im pretty sure if they are receiving players who were already on contracts that run through this year they are able to. The only team hard capped is the one with a player who was a FA that was S&T so receiving Burks/Noelle would be fine. From the Mavs perspective you cant include any Knicks FA but its just normal salary matching rules.
Also cap is removed if you trade the S&T player away. So the Warriors lost the hard cap when they shipped Dlo to MIN, and the Wolves became HC.
Why would the Knicks do a S&T? Absolutely no incentive at all. Unless they have players they want to get rid of, which Burks and Noel wouldn’t be.
This didn’t age well lols
I wouldn’t want anything to do with Knicks players at this point in a s&t. Brunson is making a mistake as far as being competitive if he leaves. But if money is all that’s on his mind, oh well.
Yo creo que Dallas no lo necesita tanto,deben dejarlo ir el quiere ser titular, si pudieran una firma e intercambio estaria bien.
Josh, bien dicho estoy de acuerdo. él quiere ser el hombre número uno.
Well said, I agree. he wants to be the number one man.
It depends on what they do with Dinwiddie. I think they can lose him. The Christian Wood trade changes what this team did. 3 guard heavy scoring depends on who you’re facing. Those three went off for 90 by themselves against Phx. But they whole team didn’t put up 90 again the Warriors just a game later. They needed more balance and if they keep Dinwiddie then they will be fine.
No, they’re not “losing” Dinwiddie. Why would you say that, when another PG is leaving.
They will start Dinwiddie, and win that way. The rookie should look good too.
Jaden Hardy a stud… Knicks are fools, 110m for Brunson. Really?
Hawks will buy out Gallo?
Gallo will join the Warriors?
Joey Gallo? Wow.He has a better chance of hitting a 3 than hitting a fastball at this point though.
LOL)))
The best part of the story is that our FO doesnt view Brunson as our savior. More moves are coming! We have picks and young guys, we can contend in any trade for the next months. Future is bright!
You had me until that last sentence.
Randle and the frenchman say otherwise
Yes, moves to get rid of bad contracts which will deplete the team’s resources. Future is very bright.
Brunsons usage number as thom thibs starting PG would be so nice in fantasy basketball this season, I hope he goes there so bad
Brunson is an old school PG. He’s not going to grow with a ball dominant player like Luka. Seems an easy decision for him.
So where are all the Knick geniuses now. Knicks deserve all the criticism they get. But half of it (On HERE) is just moronic hate. Has nothing to do will Ball.
Why is it that 80% of you. Don’t understand the Knicks have NEVER that’s NEVER rebuilt thru the draft. Brunson at 25 is part of that process. As a real Knick fan. Rebuilding thru draft is about 25 yrs too late.
Like they say “better late than never”
Not a Brunson fan. Like him more than VanVleet though. And is probably best FA out there. Still would rather have Dinwiddie ok.
Unfortunately nothing good will happen until they move Randle. Brunson might be a missing piece. But it’s not going to flourish. With DepressedRandle here.
Did you not watch the playoffs or look at his career numbers? He’s grown every year he’s been in the NBA. He’s not an All Star or a 25M per year player, but he’s a solid player. Limited defensively though.
What does any of that have to do with him playing with Luka. Do you not understand whose team it is. Brunson will never become a lead PG. Till he leaves Luka.
So seems like a easy decision to me.
– “He’s not going to grow with a ball dominant player like Luka”
– “He’s grown every year he’s been in the NBA.”
– “Brunson will never become a lead PG. Till he leaves Luka.”
Al wtf, stick to a point mate
All those pulls are true. Brunson’s in his fifth year. He has improved every year but has reached his limit.
For instance his PERs have gone 13, 15, 17.1, 17.1… The last year he was a regular starter with fulltime minutes and held up.
The Knix should be an interesting watch this year at least.
He’s not an old school PG. Far from it.
Do you know what it means.
It means a heavy handle. That means a controlled dribbler. Runs a team an offense. Scores when not paid attention to. Looks to get others involved. Then looks for his shot. But knows when to be more selfish.
What you think it means is the incorrect description.
I don’t think. I’ve done it. He’s as old school as it gets. In todays NBA. But please don’t believe me.
At least you admit you don’t think. That is the first step.
Mo Cheeks.
Hes a backup on most good teams
GENIUS ………
Agreed. Massive overpay by the Knicks. Reminds me of when they signed Randle. Will be regretting it sooner rather than later.
“Brunson is an old school PG.”
I would define an old school PG as a pass-first PG. Which Brunson has not really been so far in his career. Could change if he’s no longer with Luka. We’ll see.
Another piss poor decision. By the Knicks. $25M for a player that will make them slightly better and tie up cap space. If all you want is a playoff appearance. Then this is fine.
Boy the Knicks never learn. They always want to give these huge deals to good, not great players on other teams and then a year or two later are pawning them off in exchange for someone else’s problems.
Couldn’t have said it better. That about explains it. They did the same thing last year with Fournier.
All the way back to Allan Houston
So im thinking Brunson ceiling is Jason Terryish?
Raymond Felton floor if he learns to distribute better?
Nice players for sure. But 2nd highest contract player for most teams?
Huge deals? If you participate in the FA market, you need to make the market (or at a minimum meet it) for the player. Are you saying don’t sign FAs unless they’re max players (hasn’t been any available in awhile)? Or providing (for one reason or another) a discount?
I’m not a big fan of pursuing Brunson (and certainly didn’t want to pursue Fournier last year), but I’m not sure what lesson you think this NYK FO needs to learn?
My thoughts exactly
Until draft night, I assumed that if Brunson wanted to the NYK, he would get here by S&T (on matching contract basis). We had the expiring deals and extra picks to pay the normal toll, and enough of a path to cap space to serve as leverage. Yet, for some reason, the FO felt they needed to actually open up cap space for Brunson in advance. Maybe we’ll never know, but it’s not typical. So, while it usually makes sense to do a S&T, there might be an issue there.
Dumb to do a sign n trade. Why give up anything. He’s going to a place where he’ll be the lead guard. In NY …. He can make up that money in a yr. And if he does well. Then he hit the lottery. It only gets bigger and better for him if he Balls out
At this point, that may be right. We’ll see. But of course if we end up using cap space in the S&T, then we wouldn’t give up anything (and may have to get something if DAL wants to do it for the TPE).
“Dumb to do a sign and trade. Why give up anything.” You do of course realize in order to create the cap space they would have to move or “give up” players to clear the salary. So regardless they are going to have to. It’s always entertaining to read you talk about how smart you are and insult others. When in fact you make ridiculous posts all the time and your the way you construct your posts makes me so sad for you that the public schools failed you so horribly.
Realize the definition. They can cut two contracts or move one player. You think this is Rocket science. Noel and Burkes were already on the move before all this. That’s 20 mill right there. Plus Taj is not guaranteed, that’s another 5 mill.
All this info is a click away ….
How many picks are we going to give up to move off Burks and/or Noel?
Until we know that hard to say if the cost of signing outright would be more than a (basically forced) sign and trade
They shouldn’t have to give any picks to move off Burks. He’s paid pretty much what he’s worth and his contract has a club option. Some contender should be willing give up a couple 2nds to have him come off the bench.
We will find out soon enough.
This. When a butthole is more of a GENIUS than you, you know you have problems.
With people saying racist stuff on here and KnickAI making thinly veiled gay references about people my comment got deleted for saying bholes name.
Well they’re less veiled now thanks to you. Not that your things are sure.
They need to open cap in order to get him an offer sheet. Can’t offer what you don’t have – cap space. And sure, they can offer $17M per, but Dallas would be more than happy to match it. With that said, the more cap the better so Dallas feels it’s an overpay and doesn’t bother matching. Or, at least the Knicks force a deal and move picks they collected, which I’m sure is plan B.
30 million per year for 4 years for a Spencer Dinwiddie clone, Evan Fournier gets paid 20 million per year, Randle is overpaid, you should only overpay for premium players like Giannis, Luka, Durant, even Butler. The Knicks are in a terrible spot right now. The NBA salaries have become a joke. Porter, Zion, Wall, Irving, Simmons, AD with guys like Nunn and Wiseman are single handidly ruining the nba
Randle makes 25 mill next yr. Fournier makes 18.8 mill on his last yr guaranteed. I wish you would actually do the research. Instead of just talking out your Aaa.
He said Randle is overpaid, which he is, and was off only 1.2 million with Fournier. I love reading your posts because you have a big head and the Knicks will continue to suck.
We know what you eat. And I will keep teaching your ignorance. I’ve forgotten more ball than you will EVER learn.
How is Randle overpaid at 25 mill. How is Fournier o repaid at 18 mill with one yr left on contract. It’s so boring talking to you. You got absolutely nothing about ball. Just hate about the most knowledgeable fan EVER.
Both are bench players on championship teams hubie.
Pampers are soaked ….. it’s affecting your thinking
Thanks for doubling down on my big head point. Not like I said anything the Trade Rumors comment section did not know already. Like saying “water is wet”.
You are funny to read. You and Silli should get paid.
If you have to constantly tell people you are the smartest person in the room, you are not.
Do you guys not understand yet? KnickerbockerAI is the most knowledgeable person about the nba. The knicks. and probably life.
Aristotle.
Socrates.
Plato.
NyknicksAi.
Oh and dr phil.
Any other opinion is simply a waste of time. Puny mortals with your puny brains.
I think it’s KnickerbockerAl, as in Al Bundy, and not AI. Though his posts being generated by an AI would explain a lot.
Only if the AI is written by Russian programmers. His randomly capitalizing words and constantly stating how smart he is should get a programmer fired.
That makes no sense. What would Russians care? Why those grammatical issues?
Somewhere it was implied Brunson was a Dinwiddie clone making $30 mil a year. That is strange stuff not in evidence.
If LFGMets was saying the Knix are going after the wrong guy, I could support that.
It depends on who Randle works well with.
KnickAl getting absolutely ROASTED today!!!
I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!
Knicks may extend the Draft trade to dump Reddish or some other guy to Detroit…
I still dont understand why the Knicks didn’t dump Kemba to OKC for one of the 3 picks and trade back
LOL oh my goodness what a sht show the Knicks are
Right on Q
It’s so entertaining watching all the Knick haters. Just making up stuff to hate. Why does anyone care. Nothing is working till they get rid of Randle. Why are you geniuses so Freakin genius.
Brunson is a Knick. Coming to the best Basketball Town in the World.
Should be easy to get rid of Randle in your bizarro world that you live in. Since he is not overpaid.
You keep eating the sh*t sandwiches the Knicks keep feeding you and the ask for more. You guys have not been relevant since 1973. Cry more big head.
The maximum contract offer the Mavericks can provide Brunson is a five-year deal worth $175.45 million.
Look it up ……. stop crying
Starting at 24 mill ….. so what happens if they sign him and Knicks say keep him. I’d rather have Dinwiddie.
Mavs are not paying that to a player that plays same position as Luka. Do any of you know ball at all. Brunson knows he can’t stay in Dallas. Why can’t we all see that. There is more money, fame and power. As a starting PG on the rebuilding Knicks. It’s really simple.
For All the Haters. Who’d rather Hate than just research. That’s what I call a GENIUS.
This is how easy we clear cap room. This is so boring. Ok children school is in session
link to nbcsports.com
Backup point guard may want to join the forgotten Knicks. Nobody cares willis.
You’re so fake, Barbie is jealous.
I doubt you have ever posted anything worth reading on here. I doubt you even follow ball. Ignorance was credible. You’d be the MJ of this board .
Genius is not signing a backup point guard to a 4 year 25 million contract but keep bragging Big Head, super genius.
Deep down inside you know this is a terrible deal for the Knicks.
This seems like a bad deal for both sides if the offer is going to end up paying Brunson north of $25M annually. He’s just not worth that salary, and the Knicks are already chock full of blah to bad contracts. What are we locking in here?
For Dallas this is arguably even worse. They have no real means to replace Brunson’s production of NY doesn’t want to do a S&T. Coming off a nice run this Spring, the Wood trade, THJ returning … losing Brunson for nothing puts a real damper on all of that.
But you know what would make it *slightly* better? Brunson for Randle. Dallas gets a real player in return, Knicks avoid total cap hell (and get rid of a guy who doesn’t seem like he wants to be here).
Brunson for Randle would be incredible. I assume the possibility is close to 0%, but I would love it.
Same – total wishful thinking on my part but the NBA off-season is basically WWE these days so I’m holding out hope lol
So the nba off-season is kayfabe?
Smart for all involved. Knicks get a serviceable guard. Not a huge name but solid enough. And mavericks don’t over pay a role player
I’ve always like Brunson for NYK and the end cost in assets (more important than $$) will be less than I thought it would take 2 months ago .
Glad to hear savior talks are quelled before a jersey is even fitted.
This is just a really good Pg in prime years with not so many great Pgs (readily avail) anymore. Even if markets 25$ AAV most teams would probably rather have that player than not IF they were given the opportunity.
Sneaky great early offseason if they do get this 4/105 ink here in the next couple days IMO. No pressure for 23′ as there will be many transitions/ bumps expected but arrow pointing up
Brunson reminds me of Butch Lee of Marquette in the 70s. Thick, virile, wants to control and shoot close. Won a #1 but not impactful in the NBA.
Brunson should be good for the MSG environment, but I do not see a sure thing for playoffs.
I view him as a top 10 PG moving forward in his prime years tho lists are tough to gauge relativity with all the new combo guards emerging
Nonetheless, he adds a whole new element to the team of ball control/PNR and scoring that NYK doesn’t currently have
Not many players that were actually going to be available this offseason coulda changed the scope of the Knicks offense as much as I think Brunson can. Id pay this toll
Agree. I’m not the biggest fan of Brunson (and was cool with him going back to DAL), but the criticisms of the Knicks pursuing him on this board are comical. It may be a low bar, but Brunson is the best UFA available this year (LaVine & Beal aren’t available). From the Knicks’ end, he plays their position of greatest need and is 25 years old. Somehow, the PGs his age that I like better than him haven’t achieved UFA status for some years. Go figure.
Of course, overpay (lol, it’s the UFA market). If DAL signed him long term last year for the same AAV discussed, and was now making him available in a trade, every team that needs a starting PG wouldn’t be engaging DAL on the guy, and nobody would even mention the salary. The media (and every 2k’er on this board) would be ripping the Knicks if they didn’t join in, and encouraging them to “do whatever it takes” to get him. BTW, that doesn’t mean it’s a good move; just that its critics don’t have any standing to say otherwise.
Most definitely, he’d be framed as underutilized in Dallas and code words like Cuban’s tax bill and selling high would be thrown around
With all the new info/activity the last 3 days ish I’m believing Cuban has known Brunson is leaving for weeks/months. I didn’t see that 180 mill payroll happening but thought they might side-step outta some money somehow thru other routes and possibly retain Brunson . But atlas
I hope I’m wrong but there are few major questions I have w/ let’s just say for the sake of argument a 4/105m deal for JB
1.) There’s no body of data of him playing without Luka. He *could* blossom with more responsibility, but it’s also possible his flaws are just more pronounced.
2.) Fit with Barrett: RJ is by far the Knick w/ the most potential. Brunson to date has played dual roles as shoot-first 6th man and SG next to Luka. Will RJ be getting lost between Brunson and Randle dual isos
3.) Is this even a playoff team? Does it matter if we address our greatest need but end up capped out with a team that’s in the play-in?
1)Both are true; should be interesting
2)A strong PG making so much $ should unite them & Fournier, but that’s an ideal. It depends on, if Randle mopes. The home crowd should help. I see Brunson in the role of an orchestra condustor, regarding the MSG crowd, if not the team.
3)play-in, but less negative.
Knicks won the free agency.
Nevertheless they will be trading him away for the next savior in less than 2 years
This is a lot of money. I liked Brunson, and have since he was drafted, but…I could see $14-16 million AAV, but $25-30 million? I could see the fit for him if they move certain pieces, but even then…I think they would have been better off targeting other positions. Still have to wait to see what the roster ultimately looks like, but that’s just how I see it as of now
Lauri Markkanen got 16.5 with a limited to no market last year
Zubac just got 11 per
27.5 might be a touch high but 14~16 would be incredibly low on the market today
Markannen got super overpaid, and Simons is going to get overpaid as well. I’m not questioning FAs getting overpaid, so with that, I could see something in the $18-20 million range, but just saying this is a lot of money. and I still think they could have done a lot more for their roster with that, by targeting other positions…but again, I’ll reserve until the final roster
So far, they’ve moved a couple of pieces I talked about moving, although I would have preferred Burks over Fournier for this roster. They still have more to do
16 pts 5 assists for $27/mil. No wonder New York is the garbage bin of the NBA. Spike is watching baseball he’s so desperate for a winner hahahahaha
What’s the month and year net for the hoops
Rumor article discussing the Knicks trading Brunson to unload his contract?
December 2023
Knicks never learn