Pistons Rumors

Central Notes: Bucks, Pistons, Smith

Here's the latest out of the Central Division..

  • Eric Pincus of HoopsWorld notes that the Bucks and Suns basically swapped trade positions by making the Caron Butler deal.  Milwaukee went from about $7.4MM to spend to about $1.9MM after acquiring Butler for Ish Smith and Viacheslav Kravtsov.  Meanwhile, the Suns went from no cap room at all to $5.2MM under. 
  • Sean Corp of Sheridan Hoops has five things to watch for with the Pistons following their whirlwind offseason.  First on his list is the shot selection of prized acquisition Josh Smith.
  • The Pistons have the luxury of bringing top pick Kentavious Caldwell-Pope along slowly, writes Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press.  Detroit tapped the Georgia product with the No. 8 overall pick in the 2013 draft.

Eastern Links: Heat, Henry Bibby, Pistons, Nets

As we look forward to the Labor Day weekend, let's round up a few end-of-week items out of the Eastern Conference….

  • Caron Butler and Lamar Odom are no longer options for the Heat, but neither player was ever a real possibility, says Ira Winderman of the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Winderman adds that "there will be other Butler and Odom types that could shake free" over the course of the year for the Heat.
  • Former Grizzlies assistant Henry Bibby will join Maurice Cheeks' coaching staff with the Pistons, tweets Ronald Tillery of the Memphis Commercial Appeal.
  • Making small adjustments to teams that already have a core in place is Joe Dumars' strength, so the Pistons GM should be well-positioned to handle the next stage of the team's development, writes Dan Feldman of PistonPowered (link via Detroit Free Press).
  • Former Queens prep star Kyle Hunt will work out for the Nets in September, reports Joshua Newman of SNY.tv.
  • Over at HoopsWorld, Lang Greene's list of potential training-camp logjams includes positional battles for the Celtics, Cavs, Bucks, and Knicks, among other teams.

Odds & Ends: Turkoglu, Plumlee, Heat, Mavs

For now, Hedo Turkoglu remains under contract with the Magic, with the team currently on the hook for $6MM of his $12MM salary. Turkoglu's full salary will become guaranteed if he's still on the roster beyond January 7th, but there's virtually no chance that happens, and it appears the veteran forward may not even be in the NBA by that point. According to reports out of Turkey, confirmed by Can Pelister of TrendBasket.net (via Twitter), Turkish team Fenerbahce Ulker is pursuing Turkolgu, and is prepared to make him a substantial offer (hat tip to Sportando).

The Magic would need to grant Turkoglu his release before he could finalize a deal overseas, but it may just be a matter of time until that happens. Here's more from around the NBA:

Poll: Where Will Jason Collins Play Next Season?

In April this year, Jason Collins came out as the first active male homosexual athlete in an American professional sport. So far, he's failed to find an NBA team that can use his defense, size, toughness and veteran leadership.

This isn't so much related to his sexual orientation, but the fact he's a 12-year journeyman big in a league that's increasingly made a backup center somewhat superfluous.

Kevin Arnovitz of ESPN.com wrote earlier today that an informal poll of league executives and general managers during Las Vegas' Summer League shows that Collins stands a good chance to land on an NBA roster as a 12th, 13th, or 14th man. The belief is he'll catch on as we progress towards training camp and teams look to flesh out their rosters. The informal poll by Arnovitz mirrors the one ESPN.com's Marc Stein conducted among general managers the day after Collins came out in Sports Illustrated.

Some teams have shown an interest already, but we're still more than a month from the start of training camp, and Collins is unsigned. Here's a look at some of the teams that have expressed interest, but so far failed to sign the veteran center. 

  • The last team he played for, the Wizards, do not appear likely to bring the big man back as he was included in the Jordan Crawford trade primarily to make the numbers work. 
  • The Nets were also interested in Collins since he last played with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce with the Celtics before being dealt to Washington. 
  • Y! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski reported that when the Celtics traded Collins to the Wizards in February, Garnett was said to have been "extremely frustrated."
  • Collins also has a history with the Nets' Jason Kidd and new assistant coach Lawrence Frank, after playing under Frank during Kidd's run with the Nets earlier in the millennium.
  • But because Reggie Evans was not ultimately included in the trade bringing Pierce and KG to Brooklyn, the need for Collins to backup KG and Brook Lopez dissipated.
  • The Pistons expressed exploratory interest in Collins earlier this month. But after he worked out for them, they elected not to sign the 34-year-old out of Stanford. 
  • Collins expressed an interest in returning to the Celtics weeks before coming out as gay.

So Collins is still a free agent despite most executives believing he'll find a roster spot before the season starts. 

The question remains: where will Jason Collins play next season, if at all?

 

Where Will Jason Collins Play Next Season?
Retire 34.68% (198 votes)
Will play, but not in the NBA 20.49% (117 votes)
Another NBA team 19.96% (114 votes)
Brooklyn Nets 13.49% (77 votes)
Boston Celtics 7.18% (41 votes)
Detroit Pistons 4.20% (24 votes)
Total Votes: 571

Odds & Ends: SportVU, NBPA, Harrellson, Warriors

Let's round up a few Friday odds and ends from around the Association….

  • A tentative agreement has been reached to install data-tracking camera in each of the NBA's 29 arenas, to be used by all 30 teams, reports Grantland's Zach Lowe. The STATS LLC SportVU cameras had previously been used by half the league's teams, with many of the others holding off in hopes that the NBA would cover the cost (about $100K). The Association has apparently decided to do just that, sooner than many of those clubs expected, according to Lowe.
  • The NBPA vote that made Chris Paul the union's new president was a close one, writes Liz Mullen of the Sports Business Journal. Prior to the announcement, few people knew that Paul, who was nominated by his peers, was even running for the position, according to Mullen.
  • Gino Pilato of Ridiculous Upside examines a few of the best current free agents who played in the D-League last season, including Chris Douglas-Roberts, Lester Hudson, and Kris Joseph.
  • Josh Harrellson may have been the 15th player added to the Pistons' roster, but he tells Keith Langlois of Pistons.com that he hopes to become more than the team's 15th man at the end of the bench.
  • In his latest chat at HoopsWorld, Larry Coon addressed a few interesting topics, including Larry Sanders' extension with the Bucks and the question of how the poison pill provision would be applied to a player on a maximum-salary contract.
  • Tom Ziller of SBNation.com hopes that future NBA commissioner Adam Silver takes after David Stern more than NFL boss Roger Goodell.
  • The Warriors have named Casey Hill the head coach of their D-League affiliate in Santa Cruz, tweets Sam Amick of USA Today.

Maggette Open To Pistons Return

Late last month, there was talk that free agent forward Corey Maggette preferred to play for a contender and could likely be had for the veteran's minimum. Today, the 33-year-old forward told ESPN.com that he wouldn't mind playing for the Pistons again, according to a staff report by the Detroit Free Press. The 14-year-veteran played sparingly for then-head coach Lawrence Frank last season, appearing in 18 contests and averaging 14.3 MPG. 

“Overall, I’m just waiting and being patient and see what opportunity comes…You always got to explore your options, but if the Pistons want me back, it’s great, man. I would love to come back.”

Interestingly enough, we heard back in March of the mutual interest between Maggette and the Pistons about a return for 2012/13, but with the team now carrying 15 players under contract, a reunion doesn't seem all that likely at this point. 

Extension Candidate: Greg Monroe

The Pistons' signing of Josh Smith to a four-year, $54MM contract last month raised plenty of eyebrows around the NBA, not necessarily because of the years or dollars, though Smith's $13.5MM annual salary will be the highest among this summer's free agents not named Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. Rather, it's Smith's fit with the Pistons that had many observers questioning the deal.

Detroit didn't exactly have a successful 2012/13 season, but one of the team's bright spots was its frontcourt, where its most productive player, power forward Greg Monroe, paired with up-and-coming rookie center Andre Drummond. The Pistons are unlikely to increase Drummond's workload too significantly from the 20.7 MPG he averaged in his first year, so there should be plenty of minutes to go around in 2013/14 for the club's top three big men, but the long-term outlook is unclear.

With Smith under contract through 2017, and Drummond under team control through at least 2016, Monroe appears to be the odd man out. Despite being the Pistons' leader in minutes, points, rebounds, and plenty of other categories this past season, Monroe's place among the club's core looks more tenuous than Smith's or Drummond's, given his contract situation. Entering the final year of his rookie-scale deal, the 23-year-old is extension-eligible this offseason, and could hit restricted free agency next summer.

Earlier this week, when I discussed rookie-scale extensions and restricted free agency, I surmised that teams were becoming more likely to lock up their rising stars prior to the free agent period. From the club's perspective, it might mean saving a few million dollars, which could come in handy down the road, given the league's restrictive CBA. From the player's perspective, it means landing a massive payday prior to hitting free agency, reducing concern about suffering a serious injury or a dip in production in that fourth year.

For Monroe and the Pistons though, an extension may not be in the cards this offseason. Grantland's Zach Lowe reported in July that teams who inquired on Monroe's availability around the time of the 2013 draft were given a flat "no" by Detroit. However, that didn't stop Lowe from suggesting a couple weeks later that Monroe could be shopped at some point this season if the club "falls in love" with a Smith/Drummond frontcourt. According to the Grantland scribe, the Pistons aren't overly enthusiastic about signing Monroe to a maximum-salary extension.

Even if the Pistons were interesting in locking up Monroe, agent David Falk didn't sound too into the idea when he discussed it with Vincent Goodwill of the Detroit News earlier this year.

"Greg isn't gonna go backwards between his third and fourth year," Falk said. "I don't think I've ever done an extension after a third year. In the '90s you maxed out a guy after his second, but the [CBA] rules are different now.… What incentive does a player have to do an extension after his third year? For me personally, it's difficult to do that…. The structure of the CBA, for me, I can't speak for others, I question why that makes sense."

Falk isn't just posturing; he also represents Pacers big man Roy Hibbert, who was offered a lucrative extension by Indiana a year before his free agency. Hibbert ultimately waited and landed a max offer sheet from the Blazers, which the Pacers matched. Assuming Monroe continues to develop and improve, it's reasonable to think he'd also receive a max offer in 2014, or something very close to it, given the bidding we've seen on free agent bigs in recent years.

Of course, even though neither the player nor the team seems all that inclined to work out an extension agreement at this point, that doesn't mean the two sides won't talk before the October 31st deadline. For the Pistons, locking up Monroe to a long-term extension in the neighborhood of Serge Ibaka's pact with the Thunder (four years, $50MM) would be a nice value play. That sort of deal wouldn't necessarily tie them to Monroe for the long-term, since it'd be a movable contract — the club could theoretically extend him, then trade him a little later, like the Nuggets did with Nene.

As for Monroe, it's possible his views aren't entirely aligned with his agent's. Although Falk would prefer to wait for free agency, Monroe may want to play it safe and ink a new deal this fall while his stock is high, even if he'd risk losing out on a few million dollars by doing so.

Ultimately, between the Pistons' addition of Smith and Falk's aversion to non-max extensions, the the odds of a new deal for Monroe this offseason probably aren't great. My guess is that the former seventh overall pick opts for free agency instead, in which case he'll represent a tantalizing target next summer for teams with cap space who miss out on top-tier options like LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony.

Pistons Sign Josh Harrellson

WEDNESDAY, 11:27am: The Pistons have officially signed Harrellson, the team announced today (Twitter link).

TUESDAY, 9:04pm: The Pistons have reached agreement on a deal with forward Josh Harrellson, a league source tells Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports (on Twitter).  The deal will be for two-years with a partial guarantee on year one and a club option on year two, Wojnarowski tweets.

Harrellson, 24, saw just six games of action last season with the Heat, averaging 1.7 PPG and 1.2 RPG.  The big man had one ten-day contract with Miami but the club opted not to extend him a second ten-day offer.  Harrellson saw more burn in his debut NBA season in New York (2011/12) where he averaged 4.4 PPG and 3.9 RPG in 14.6 minutes per contest.

The Pistons have been looking to add another big man to round out their bench behind Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe before the start of the season.  The club was giving serious thought to bringing Jason Collins in for a tough, veteran presence but after deciding that he wouldn't be a fit, it seems that the team's final roster spot will go a younger player. 

Pistons To Pass On Jason Collins

The Pistons have decided to pass on signing veteran free agent center Jason Collins, an official in the team's front office tells Franz Lidz of Sports Illustrated.  Collins recently worked out for Detroit in hopes of filling out their bench, but it doesn't seem like he'll be joining the club.

The 7-foot journeyman played in 38 games last season for the Celtics and Wizards, averaging less than two points and two boards in about 10 minutes per contest.  The Pistons were looking at the veteran as an insurance policy for big men Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe

The 34-year-old center became the first active male in one of the four major North American team sports to announce he was gay earlier this year.  Now, Collins is back in L.A. working out and hoping to get another call from an NBA club looking for a tough veteran defender.

Contract Details: Oden, Pargo, Williams, Udrih

Mark Deeks of ShamSports.com has updated his invaluable database of NBA salaries with details on many of the players who have signed over the last couple weeks. We hadn't yet heard the specifics on a number of those contracts, so let's round up the new info….

  • Initially reported as a two-year contract with a second-year player option, Greg Oden's deal with the Heat is actually only for one season, according to Deeks.
  • Jannero Pargo's one-year, minimum-salary pact with the Bobcats is only currently guaranteed for $300K. Pargo will be assured of his full salary (about $1.4MM) if he remains on the roster past December 10th.
  • The Trail Blazers signed Mo Williams using their full room exception, and included a 15% trade kicker in his deal.
  • There's also a 15% trade kicker on Beno Udrih's minimum-salary contract with the Knicks.
  • Another Knicks signee, Jeremy Tyler, has a $100K guarantee on his two-year deal.
  • Carrick Felix's four-year deal with the Cavaliers was originally reported as being fully guaranteed for three seasons. However, according to Deeks, the third year is non-guaranteed, and the fourth year is a team option.
  • The first year of Peyton Siva's pact with the Pistons is partially guaranteed for $150K.
  • Jeff Withey has a fully guaranteed rookie year with the Pelicans, while his second-year salary won't become guaranteed until next July.
  • Ryan Gomes' contract with the Thunder is currently non-guaranteed. He'll receive three $25K bonuses if he remains on the roster beyond September 1st, October 1st, and October 30th, but his salary won't become fully guaranteed until January.