SEPTEMBER 8: The Jazz officially confirmed the trade of Mitchell in a press release. “Our entire organization wishes him every success in his future,” team owner Ryan Smith said in the release. “Once a Jazzman, always a Jazzman.”
SEPTEMBER 3: The Mitchell trade is now official, tweets Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com.
“The acquisition of Donovan Mitchell presented us with an incredible opportunity to bring one of the NBA’s most dynamic young All-Stars to Cleveland,” general manager Koby Altman said in the press release announcing the move. “Already a special and proven talent at just 25 years old, Donovan brings a competitive mentality that organically fits with the core group of this team.”
SEPTEMBER 1: The Cavaliers have agreed to a trade with the Jazz and will acquire star guard Donovan Mitchell, sources tell Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
According to Wojnarowski (via Twitter), Cleveland is sending three unprotected first-round picks and two pick swaps to Utah as part of the deal. Lauri Markkanen, first-round pick Ochai Agbaji, and Collin Sexton are also headed to the Jazz in the blockbuster trade, reports Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link).
Sexton is a restricted free agent, so he’ll need to be signed-and-traded as part of the agreement. His new deal with the Jazz will be worth $72MM over four years and will be fully guaranteed, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter links).
The three first-round picks going to Utah will be in 2025, 2027, and 2029, since Cleveland already owes its lottery-protected 2023 first-rounder to Indiana, as ESPN’s Bobby Marks tweets. The Jazz will have the ability to swap first-rounders with the Cavs in 2026 and 2028, tweets Wojnarowski.
John Gambadoro of Arizona Sports 98.7 first identified the Cavaliers last week as a team with interest in Mitchell, and Ian Begley of SNY.tv subsequently reported that Cleveland had “touched base” with Utah about the three-time All-Star guard.
Still, today’s news comes as a major surprise. Begley reported last Friday that the Cavs were removing themselves from the Mitchell negotiations, while Brian Windhorst of ESPN said Cleveland had made it clear to the Jazz in their earlier discussions that Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, and Jarrett Allen weren’t on the table. That seemingly made it difficult for the Cavs to meet Utah’s asking price.
However, the Cavs’ package will include most of the other noteworthy assets at their disposal, including all their tradable first-round picks, this year’s No. 14 overall selection (Agbaji), and Sexton, who is just one year removed from averaging 24.3 PPG and 4.4 APG on .475/.371/.815 shooting in 60 games (35.3 MPG).
As good as Sexton was in 2020/21, Mitchell represents an upgrade at the shooting guard position in Cleveland. In his last two seasons, he has averaged 26.1 points, 5.3 assists, and 4.3 rebounds per game in 120 appearances (33.6 MPG), with a shooting line of .444/.368/.849 shooting line. He’ll earn a $1.68MM trade bonus as part of the deal, Marks notes (via Twitter).
With a core of Mitchell, Garland, Mobley, and Allen, the Cavs will be led by a pair of star duos — an offensively-minded pairing in the backcourt and a rim-protecting duo in the frontcourt.
All of those cornerstone players will be under contract for at least the next three years. Garland signed a new five-year extension this offseason, Mobley’s rookie contract runs through 2025, Allen is in the second year of a five-year contract, and Mitchell is locked up through at least the 2024/25 season (he has a player option for ’25/26).
With their three-for-one trade, the Cavs no longer have to worry about a logjam on their 15-man roster and should, in fact, have one open spot to fill. Once the deal is official, they’ll have 12 players on fully guaranteed contracts, with Lamar Stevens and Dean Wade on non-guaranteed deals. They’ll also create a $3.9MM trade exception in the swap and remain $2.47MM below the tax line, according to Marks (Twitter link).
The Knicks had long been viewed as the frontrunners for Mitchell, but they were never willing to offer more than two unprotected first-round picks (in addition to other protected first-rounders), per Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report (Twitter link). Unprotected first-round picks and swaps had been the trade chips that Danny Ainge and the Jazz coveted most, as was the case when they acquired a similar return in exchange for Rudy Gobert earlier this summer.
The Knicks and Jazz reportedly reached an impasse earlier this week when the Knicks set an informal Monday night deadline to either agree to a Mitchell trade or extend RJ Barrett, who was being discussed as a possible centerpiece in several permutations of a Mitchell deal. New York ultimately decided to sign Barrett to an extension, which complicated salary matching in a potential trade due to the poison pill provision and brought those trade talks to a temporary halt.
While there was an expectation that the Knicks and Jazz would reengage in the coming weeks, their stalemate opened the door for Cavs general manager Koby Altman to circle back to Utah general manager Justin Zanik, according to Wojnarowski, who says (via Twitter) the two teams “reassembled” a deal they’d been discussing in previous weeks.
The Jazz are now in full rebuilding mode, having traded their two All-Stars in the two most significant deals of the NBA offseason. Taking into account the trades for Mitchell, Gobert, and Royce O’Neale, Utah has acquired eight future first-rounders this summer, and all but one of those picks is unprotected (the eighth is top-five protected). The Jazz also acquired three pick swaps and a pair of players who were drafted in the first round this June (Agbaji and Walker Kessler).
While the Jazz appear to be in teardown mode, their four-year investment in Sexton suggests he’s a major part of their long-term plans. Fischer had reported back in July that Utah was exploring a possible sign-and-trade for the 23-year-old, so he has been on the club’s radar for some time.
Sexton is coming off a lost season due to a torn meniscus, but should be fully healthy this fall and has shown in his first four NBA seasons that he’s capable of becoming one of the league’s highest-scoring guards. Utah also views Markkanen and Agbaji as keepers going forward, tweets Wojnarowski.
Once the trade is official, the Jazz will have 17 players on fully guaranteed contracts, so more roster moves – either cuts, trades, or both – will be coming before opening night. Veterans like Mike Conley, Bojan Bogdanovic, Malik Beasley, and Jordan Clarkson could still be on the trade block.
While it shouldn’t have much of an impact on their roster moves, it’s also worth noting that the Jazz will face a hard cap of $156.98MM for the rest of the 2022/23 league year once they formally sign-and-trade for Sexton. For now, they’re $1.7MM below the tax line ($150.27MM), tweets Marks.
Woooow.
starting 5 would consist of Darius Garland, Mitchell, Isaac Okoro, Evan Mobley, and Jarrett Allen.
6th man LeVert
7th man Love
Thank you Cavs!
I agree Knicks got off the hook there.
Utah gets Collin Sexton and a nice big to pair with Walker Kessler in Lauri Markennen and another lottery pick in Agbaji
Collin Sexton is a great player, Kessler / Markennen a good replacement for Rudy,
Jazz got Talent Horton Tucker from the Lakers for Pat Bev, Agbaji and eight firsts, and they aren’t much worse off than they were last season, they might even be better.
They are definitely worse off than last season. They won’t even come within 10 wins of where they were last season. They’ve traded for some young players who aren’t good defensively. Utah will be lucky to win 36 games but that’s by design.
Jazz are in tank mode, that’s why they shipped Gobert and now Mitchell, They have no intention of competing this year.
Good return on both sides though. Granted 2x starting guards at 6’1” with poor D isn’t the best but their front court D should make up for it, still a couple years out but it’s a strong core going forward. Jazz get some more tradable assets to move or sit on until the deadline.
If Jazz don’t get a top two pick, it’s safe to say they’ll have assets to trade up for Wemby or Scoot.
Sure the Jazz have the assets to trade up for a top two pick, but whoever gets one of those top two players isn’t trading him away.
Plus Danny never trades his pick we went through it with the c’s and if it’s a pick outside the top 5 good luck because other then R. Williams who took 3yrs to do anything those players will be garbage
Grant Williams Terry Rozier are not garbage. Sexton would have been a Celtic too. Danny can pick low. Romeo
And Nesmith will prove their talent this year. Rondo was a 20’s pick gold for Danny too. KO is still playing too
@Mc
Interesting way to look at it but aside from Gobert and looking at the team AFTER this trade they traded away Mitchell who was good for 26 points and 5 assists for a kid who, in his last healthy season 2 years ago, scored 24 points and gave you 4.4 assists as a SG. You also received a 7ft shooter, in the mode of Dirk Nowitzki, that gave the Cavs 15 and 6 rebounds while shooting a decent 36% from 3pt range. I think the Jazz are retooling and not just tearing things down.
Sexton’s awful and a major locker room headache to boot.
I disagree, depending whether / if the teams management sets out to tank it this year.
If they play for a playoff birth they have an outside shot at making the playoffs.
Conley
Sexton
Clarkson
Bogdonavic
Kessler
Markennen
Beasley
Agbaji
Walker-Alexander
Horton-Tucker
Vanderbilt
Gay
They have some nice depth, a nice rotation of guards, lack some length on the wings, but have some nice shooters and reigning NCAA DPOY Walker Kessler taking over for Rudy.
No argument but why would you? You’ve just traded both superstars for either young players or valuable role players. They’ll pull an OKC, bench everyone who plays well, tank and trade most of their good players if the lotto balls don’t fall.
It’s really one of the most amazing off seasons ever for any team in NBA history.
Sexton could end up being every bit as good as Donovan Mitchell. Kessler iS 7’1, put up a .600 FG% at Auburn along with 4.5 blks per game,
They saved a ton of money on Rudy and Mitchell’s extensions, and replaced them with high upside players, added front court depth in Markennen, added a lottery pick in Agbaji, added Talen Horton Tucker for a disgruntled Pat Beverley, and added eight unprotected first round picks, some pick swaps and a few second rounders.
It was the perfect storm for the Jazz.
You’re forgetting European/Italian/Olympics star Fontecchio who usually averages over 20ppg and Paris Bass. I actually see Fontecchio starting at SF.
They’ll likely trade Bojan. Not sure about Clarkson but he and Conley could be kept on to tutor Sexton on professionalism.
Beasley could be kept or packaged with Bojan for picks from the Lakers.
Sexton is extremely professional and works his tail off. That said Conley might be needed to teach Sexton how to play defense. Clarkson and Sexton were teamates in Sexton’s rookie year with the Cavaliers. But yeah Bojan will be traded for picks and maybe a role player.
@bwmiller
I see what you’re saying, but the west is so stacked there’s not much of a place for them. Everyone else ahead of them has some sort of star, the Jazz don’t. This team will be mediocre at best this season, and I’d put them as 12th in the West right now, only ahead of the Spurs, Rockets, and Thunder. Much better they just go all-in and trade their vets right now.
@seamaholic
Never, ever, ever has Sexton been called a “lockerroom headache “. Pure lies. He was called a young kid who needed ro learn how to play PG by vets just over from LBJ team but never a headache or cancer, etc.
He was a selfish kid who played for his contract. Look at the difference. Garland balled out for team success. And got paid. Hopefully Sexton will learn what a team gm is all about. He’s not the first or last. That will go for his over the team.
This game is about team success not get all you can while you can. You must be related to Sexton lol.
Be happy Cavs are building a strong team. Never happen with Sexton starting.
@Knick
im use to you not knowing what you’re taking about but that’s ok. show me an example of him being selfish. his responsibility was to score and he did so efficiently. when injured, Garland, as the PG, took just as many shots as Sexton, the SG. You really need to tame your ego. The reason why the team won more games was because of the defense Mobley and Allen provided moving thrre team from 25th to 7th. The offense however idled at 25th overall. But keep thinking you know it all… but you don’t.
Sexton is Lou Williams at best. And no disrespect to Lou Williams.
padam, good comp !!
Sexton is gone. And you need an example. I told you he was gone two yrs ago. You can’t and will never know what I know. That’s what you are used to. Getting old news today. Three are no SG in NBA at six feet. You might get start there. Look at every starting SG in BBA. Learn the gm dude.
Well, Sexton is 6’1″, and that’s not including his hair.
Not at all.The kid got hurt because he plays too hard.Work’s his tail off. He got a bad rap because the Cav’s tried to make him a Point Guard his rookie season . He passes extremely well for a Shooting Guard but not for a Point Guard. That was why the next year they drafted Garland. He averaged 4-4.4 APG as a Shooting Guard but at the time he was the teams only offensive threat.If he had stayed his assists total would have risen because he would have had some real threats to pass to. He isn’t a bad kid. He just thought 24 pts a game was worth more than 13 million a year. Altman the GM is legendary for screwing up the teams relationships with it’s players. The Kevin Porter and Andre Drummond debacles were his fault as well.
He may have been, but I’ve seen recent training video of him. He talks about how happy and grateful he is. You can see how genuinely happy he is. Plus, add in a new environment with a new coach and players and I think any old habits are likely replaced with positive new ones.
I’m sure it’ll take time to get back into the flow of the game, and adjust to the higher altitude, but I think he’ll be a positive player going forward.
cavs looked 1 scorer shy of being a force last year.
the fact that they didn’t give up anyone worthwhile , makes this a very exciting team in 2022
8th man Rick Rubio.
This is so Knicks
And now Brooklyn is in talks to sign Melo
Lol knicks fans punching air right now
@parx: actually, as a Knicks fan, I’m glad they didn’t trade for Mitchell. Him and Brunson sharing a backcourt would have been awful.
Yes Brunson and Fournier are so much better lol. Real defensive specialists
Fournier actually plays the three for the majority of the time, so Barrett would be the backcourt partner in this case.
Why? Because another team overpaid?
No because your only addition to last years train wreck was Brunson and that’s not enough.
Keeping RJ Barrett and Obi Toppin was a big win for the Knicks,
I still believe the Knicks are trying to work out a trade for Zion, I think Toppin is a better fit though, hope they keep Toppin in NYC.
Obi who doesn’t get time? That obi? Knicks haven’t had a star since melo
If you were the knicks would you really keep Obi in favor of a guy who would turn your franchise around completely?
Also, Zion just signed a long-tern extension in NO. He’s not going anywhere.
Getting a 26yo, 3 time all-star, that usually is healthy and had awesome playoffs games, for 3 low 1st round picks + an ok starter (Lauri) + Sexton who was a RFA and had a recent serious injury + a rookie that is a mistery, its an overpay?
To me this trade looks really balanced for both sides ,fair value overall.
It’s an overpay. Sexton scored 24.4 his last full season while Mitchell scored 25.9. 1.5 extra points can’t be worth 6 players. Especially when Sexton and Mitchell should have gone straight up for each other. Sexton was hurt so maybe you add Markkanen or a 1st round pick. You don’t trade 4 number 1 picks & 2 starters for that. In the short run the Cav’s will be fine but by 2030 or 2031 they will be in Tank teritory hoping to win the lottery.
Mitchell does more than just score points. He knows how to play.
“by 2030 or 2031 they will be in Tank teritory hoping to win the lottery.”
As if not making this trade would have changed that situation? No GM with a group of young starters like the Cavs have is worrying about 7-8 years from this season
If they keep the 3 players and the 3 picks there is no way they would be in tank Territory by 2030 or so. Last year Markkanen was the only 1 of the 6 they traded who played for them. Before injuries to Garland, Allen & Mobley hit they were 2nd or 3rd in the East. add Sexton & Agbaji & then the picks every 2 years and they are loaded come 2030. Theymight be this way too but it will be harder having given this much talent away. If they can keep Mitchell and their core longterm that changes. If Mitchell leaves in 3 seasons it could cause a mass exodus. That said for 3 years they will have a killer starting 5.
Why …… you must be new
So Knicks is Dolan stepping in and bending over for Danny. This so not Knicks.
Rebuild rebuild rebuild ……
There are three All-Stars, plus a fourth player who very well could be better than all of them in Mobley.
Playoffs Rankings
Celtics
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If all are healthy, no way the Cavs are 6th, or the Nets 2nd.
There are 4 All-Stars. you forgot about Kevin Love. 4 All-Stars and Mobley who will soon be the 5th
Kevin Love is a former all-star. He’s good but more of a really good sixth man at this point in his career.
Yawn
WHAT
I have this type of trade idea
Fans said it is overpaid
play in traffic
???
It IS an overpay.
How is it a overpay? Getting a superstar for 3 low 1st round picks + A soft big and a bad fit in Lauri + Sexton who was an RFA and had a recent serious injury + a rookie that is a mystery. They have great depth so losing those players won’t hurt.
Not right away but by 2030 or so the team will be overcap and in the lottery. Needing years of rebuilding. Of course they can deal their stars like Utah is doing now. Thing is those kids won’t be young anymore.
Woah. I was not expecting that. Bye Sexton and Lauri.
Garland and Mitchell backcourt. Yikes.
No future picks available either!
They still get a pick every other year, the swaps probably don’t get excersied. But, they have a core now thats locked up for years, you had to do that trade.
Most good teams don’t even end up playing their rookies. Everyone thinks every late first round pick is gonna be Jordan Poole. Doesn’t happen that often.
True, but the Jazz aren’t good. They can afford giving developmental players playing time. Plus, they’ll lose while they’re at it . . .
Knicks going to Knicks
Nailed it.
Wow
Time to change the account name
Omg
CAVS MAKING MOVES!!! WOW!!
Wait for Lauri and Ochai?!? I don’t know how I feel about this, I understand trading sexton but wow…
A soft big man and a rookie? It’s fine.
Plus 3 firsts and 2 swaps that are all unprotected?
Those Swaps probably aren’t going to convey. So it was 3 (hopefully late first rounders) Sexton who the Cavs clearly didn’t prioritize and Lauri, and a 4 year college rookie. Not terrible for an All-Star.
@iron
a soft big that wasn’t asked to play vs bigs because they had Allen and Mobley. Markannen had a really solid to good year and I think felt very comfortable and had good chemistry with Garland as a spot up guy who also cut to the rim and had size advantages. Here’s a fact since everyone just wants to ignore certain facts.
The bottom line of Lauri Markkanen starting at small forward is that it worked. Lineups with Markkanen, Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley on the court together outscored opponents by 7.9 points per 100 possessions. Add in Darius Garland, and that number spikes to 12.2.
Sexton was almost as good as Mitchell before he got hurt and he is 3 years younger. We sent 4 number 1 picks and 2 starters for 1 guy who may not be better than Sexton. The next few years when we almost make the finals and can’t get even 1 more player you may feel different. Then in 2029 or so when we make the finals and get swept by the Jazz or whoever the West sends you will wish we had this one over. Sexton & Mitchell are the same player.
Donovan, right now, is a superior ball handler, better range, more explosive, stronger than Colin was, about 2-4 rebounds/game better, much longer wingspan, a lot more positive influence in the locker room and community, etc.
Plus, he’s far removed from any injuries. He’s never injured his knees nor is scandalous on any way, except he was playing too much solo ball at the end. Looked disinterested in helping the team win at the end. That’s likely because he was tired of the coach or team.
Sexton could very well shake off all the nasty habits and solo mentality with the help of his rehab and new outlook on life. Just search for “Colin Sexton summer training” and sort by date. I do think Will Hardy will be a further positive influence on him.
He won’t be able to get longer arms and so his rebounding may not ever be as good as Donovan’s, but I’m sure his effort can improve. Most of rebounding is always boxing out the nearest opposing player unless the ball is nowhere near one.
Leadership is another area that Donovan does in the community and pretty well on the floor. He’s a fun teammate that loves when anyone does something great. Great energy even from the sidelines. He could still be more assertive on the floor, but he’s still young.
Sexton is even younger, so he has time to improve in these areas. I could see him being more like Donovan this year.
There will be a void in the community. Who will fill that?
Coolio! Finally done with “Mitchell to Knicks” saga. Now the Knicks might do something sensible… Oh, who am I kidding…
Silly Knicks fans and media, they never had a chance. Barrett and a bunch of low round picks were never going to get it done. Now the Cavaliers are an emerging force.
The Knicks picks would have been better than the Cavs picks. The Cavs were already better than the Knicks without Mitchell. Barrett >>> Lauri and Agbaji.
Clearly NYC wasn’t willing to give up what Utah wanted, though.
Knicks wouldn’t do the trade because they wanted to keep grimes lol
Not too thrilled with the move. Seems like A LOT.
Gave up way too much when they had the ability to get Mitchell offense production from Levert and Sexton
Has a “Melo to the Knicks” feel to it. Sure you got the big fish but trading your starting PF, starting SG, possibly starting SF, and 3 unprotected picks?
Should have just sent Sexton to NY and tried to get assets from if he wasn’t in the long term plans.
How is it too much? You can only play like 9 guys in a rotation.
Have you heard of Injuries? Or are we playing robot men now? Teams that win it all are usually 12-14 players deep in case someone gets hurt.
Usually teams kinda just thin out their rotations when someone gets hurt. Maybe play the 9th man 10 minutes or so, but mostly teams just have their original rotation guys play more. Besides, the Cavs are still really deep. They have 8 guys who can play big playoff minutes, plus good reserves Cedi Osman and Dean Wade.
Yeah how did that work for the 2 LA teams last year? Did Marcus Morris work out stepping up his minutes to cover for Kawhi Leonard? Who covered for Paul George. Crosstown who stepped up to give the Lakers another title when Davis was hurt? I also do not recall anyone stepping up to help the Buck’s repeat when Khris Middleton went down in the playoffs. That said some teams had the depth to overcome injuries. Others just got lucky and their players did not get hurt when it mattered. Being Lucky matters as much as being good.
Stars win titles. They’re less likely to be scared to score and perform in front of the largest stage. Donovan will also make life much easier for everyone who plays with him. They’ll have more energy at the end of games. I can easily see the Cavs improving by 10+ games from last year, as long as the coach implements him well.
So you have the Cav’s at 54 wins this year?
Yeah your argument kinda contradicted itself there. When a star goes down, there’s not much replacing them. None of the players the Cavs traded away, even Sexton, are the caliber of a player that can replace a star. Mitchell IS a star. He is the guy the Cavs needed to make a deep playoff run.
Lauri is the only starter in the return. Sexton was the sixth man behind LeVert and Agbaji is a lottery pick. That said, I hate the trade because it weakens the Cavs’ defense tremendously to have Garland and Mitchell in the backcourt together. Mitchell couldn’t guard a parked car, and Garland is undersized. Playing LeVert at the three also weakens the defense.
Sexton is certainly a starter especially on that sorry Jazz roster. He’s going to accidentally win more games than Ainge thinks he will
The Cavs didn’t win a whole lot with Sexton at their starter. Plus, he’s going to need time to readjust to his recovery and a new system. Add a new coach and new system to the mix.
I don’t expect the Jazz to win much until maybe December and January. Even then, there’s a lot of good teams with great chemistry in the NBA that have the advantage. The Jazz will need time to find their identity and roles. Lots of good but not great yet players on their roster.
Yeah, I mean Sexton and LaVert are like prime Gary Payton and Tony Wroten on D.
All three are horrible on D. At least Mitchell has shot at getting better with his 6’9″ wingspan.
Both are undersized. Both have no interest in defense. Mobley faded fast last season. Allen has hit his ceiling. Cavaliers got taken.
Nah, they’re improving.
Mobley nor Allen faded they got injured. I do feel like the trade isn’t as good ad most think.
It’s a great trade for the Cavs. Mobley put them well ahead of schedule on the rebuild and Allen are Garland are ready to win right now. They added one of the top lead guards in the game, this team is very good.
@Tac
The gain in adding Mitchell > a presumably healthy Sexton whose numbers near mirror a Mitchell’s, a 7ft SG who had great chemistry with Garland and the other bits, scored 15 and 5 rebounds and with a very talented Obaji, Okorro and Osman gave them a lot of switch ability on offense not to mention the 3 picks. How many more points is he going to score over Sexton. Sexton shot more efficiently. They traded 40 points for 26. Aside from the all-star credentials, remind me how OBVIOUSLY Mitchell is better?
Mobley got hurt last year. the Other problem was Allen did too. When Allen was hurt they had to play Mobley at Center. At 210 pounds he is a little light to play center. Allen and Mobley are natural compliments when they play together because they can shut down the Paint at will. Both are under 25 & will get better with time. The back court is short they’ll need the Allen & Mobley up front protecting the rim.
All rookies hit the rookie wall in that 1st year. Their bodies aren’t ready for 82 games PLUS playoffs. Most players have a slump in their 2nd year because they overcompensate pacing themselves. Wait until year 3 before judging any player.
That’s why this Cavs team will need another year to take off. Could happen sooner, but be ready just in case.
@eonarashi
Sexton was absolutely the starting SG. He hasn’t come off the bench since first month of his rookie season. No way were Levery or Obsji starting ahead of him.
2 of the guys we sent would have been starters. Another issue is that Bernie B. Jr will definitely start Okoro at the 3. Instead of destroying his precious defense by starting LeVert. Who can’t even guard his own spot let alone Small Forward. Sexton and Mitchell are almost the same player. Mitchell had a defense behind him so people think he is better. Sexton never had a defense until the first 11 games last year.
Not that much. They played better without sexton last season and they still have Kevin Love as a stretch 4 who doesn’t play defense off the bench to replace Lauri’s efforts
Love is finished.
Not yet, he isn’t. He can still be a key bench big for the Cavs, as well as a veteran leader off the court.
Then why was he nominated for the 6th man award last year? 14 pts & 7 rebounds a game in 22 minutes a game is superior. He was just injured the 2 years before.
@Lionel
They played better not because of his absence. They played better because of Mobley and Allen anchoring a defense that shot from 25th to 7th. None of the guards were any good defensively. But the offense was a bottom 5 team. How many more games could they have won with Sexton and Garland balling together? Look deeper fam.
@Lionel
They played better not because of his absence. They played better because of Mobley and Allen anchoring a defense that shot from 25th to 7th. None of the guards were any good defensively. But the offense was a bottom 5 team. How many more games could they have won with Sexton and Garland balling together? Love needs to come off bench. Look deeper fam.
Actually last year they were 8 -3 in the Games Sexton played & 36-35 in the games after sexton got hurt. Last I checked 8-3 trumps 36-35. Had Sexton been healthy last year the Cav’s would have had home court advantage in the 1st round of the playoffs.
Except they actually went 7-4, with a 3-2 record vs playoff teams in that small sample size.
Of course you would complain.
At least the Knicks have Randle, Fournier and Brunson on great contracts…
I know. This haul makes the Knicks look even worse. It didn’t take a lot to get Mitchell
Tzzz.. Great joke :-)
Good for the Cavs
Ainge said watch this Usher meme
Cavs cookin
Who won that trade?
Sure, Mitchell is great but wow that was a huge price for him!
Jazz:
Won
Cavs:
Won & Lost
Cavs gave up too much, but are now contenders
Contenders for the 5th seed.
Maybe now, but in a couple years, this team’s gonna be a force, as long as they keep growing together.
Contenders?!?! LMAO!
Not really. Markkanen is expendable and you don’t know what the rookie is gonna be. Sexton was not really even on the team anymore. Picks won’t matter if they’re good. It’s a good gamble. Not like they’re trading everything for an over the hill guy. Mitchell is 25
So which was the bigger overpay, this or the Bucks for Jrue?
Bro the Bucks won the NBA Finals, and they wouldn’t have without Jrue. That trade was worth every single penny, and then some.
Nobody “won” . The trade is 5 mins old
Surprised they didn’t have to give up Okoro.
He can’t shoot. Danny is no fool. You have to have some salary so Danny took Lauri and Sexton so he can no trade all his other vets Clarkston, Gay, Bojo and Maybe give up a 1st to get Conley gone too.
They’ll just keep Conley. They won’t need cap space for a couple years. Sexton and Markkanen will be gone by next summer, too. Still glad the Knicks didn’t gut their roster and surplus of picks for Mitchell. They’ll be able to get someone better next year, or the year after.
I sure hope they don’t.
Why would they keep veterans when they’re clearly trying to stockpile picks and develop young talent?
It’d only be for locket room presence, at this point. However, the Jazz don’t even know who they’re going to keep yet. It’s a big gumbo pot currently.
I’d say the we’ll know the direction much more clearly after this upcoming draft. Right now they’re just acquiring assets.
I’m sure they tried.
Surprised they took Lauris salary over Laverts expiring
They don’t plan on being in the free agent hunt for a while. Maybe if Markkanen can start and do well, they flip him for more picks. Ainge loves doing that.
Yea just figured Lavert has less risk and could be flipped more easily as an expiring
Im guessing they asked as salaries are the same and Cle actually had the leverage to say nah Lauri it is
I think Ainge wanted Markkanen more than say LeVert or Okoro. Markkanen is a more efficient scorer than the other 2. Unlike LeVert he can hit his 3’s.
Probably figured Lauri is still somewhat young enough that he could be a building block for their next “contender”. That or they figure he’ll get a chance to pad his stats a bit and can flip him down the road for more than what LeVert would get as a deadline rental.
thank you now no more Mitchell to NY or LA rumors being posted here.
Agree, less rumor articles from the rumors cite is in order
When its the same trade rumors everyday its annoying. You still have the daily Westbrook trade rumors so enjoy those.
I have a feeling that the Jazz will be making more trades soon, as they have over 15 contracts and a high payroll
It wouldn’t make much sense to keep Bogie, Clarkson and Gay around. If he’s down I could see keeping Conley around in a mentor role.
Call up the Lakers and dump several contracts like Conley to get Westbrook.
If they can get more 1st round picks, sure the Jazz would do it.
Blockbuster. May not even be the biggest trade this off-season and that’s insane
The trade no one saw coming …
Garland Mitchell Okoro Mobley Allen
Rubio LeVert Osman KLove Lopez
Neto Windler Stevens Wade
Good looking team that for the Cavs.
Mitchell gives them another real go to scoring option and come playoffs will be the closing guy for them. Doesn’t ruin the depth for them either.
It’s the teams which have a really good young core that are able to offer away picks cause they already have the young talent and can go without adding more for a few years.
Really like the look of this team but could do with a couple three point specialists for some added floor spacing.
That’s why they might be better off starting Love at Small Forward so they can bring in Okoro to defend the 1, 2 or 3 spots when needed.
Wow. This makes the Knicks look stupid if that’s all it took to get Mitchell. The Cavs now have Allen, Mobley, Levert, Mitchell and Garland starting with Love, Rubio, Osman, Lopez, and Okoro off the bench.
They got Isaiah Mobley too who can shoot the three a bit.
Cavs are much improved but it’s hard to get a read on their ceiling. I see them as a 45 to 50 win team now. Which is good..but that’s a lot to give up to be good
They won 44 last year when every starter missed major chunks of the season. 50-55 win makes more sense.
Where has x% gone?
I wonder if he’s scarlet666?
THATS IT?? WOW, LMAO KNICKS!!
Cavs are top 3 in the East now. That’s a steal.
Ridiculous comment.
You mean top 5*, also that was not a steal. Pretty fair deal for both sides really but def not a Cavs steal lol
Knicks rumored to be heavy favorites for DM – other team’s fans: “Knicks have nothing to give, Knicks will overpay, a Brunson-Mitchell backcourt is small and bad defensively so it doesn’t improve them, Donovan Mitchell isn’t even that good anyway.”
Knicks don’t overpay and DM traded elsewhere – those same fans: “LOLOL KNICKS GONNA KNICK, MISSED A CHANCE TO GET A SUPERSTAR, CLEVELAND IS GONNA BE A DYNAMO KNICKS COULDVE BEEN THAT INSTEAD.”
Yeah…cuz other teams fans like making fun of the Knicks. You should try it. Totally enjoyable.
It was pretty fun for the first 15 years, but the constant repeating of the predictable, contradictory nonsense fans comment has gotten beyond stale.
Knicks fans (like myself) like it, too. It’s definitely enjoyable and will be as long as Dolan is owner.
Knicks were smart to pass. Dude couldn’t get it done with Jazz and now goes to a worse team
Couldn’t get it done….he got further than the Knicks have in 20 years as the main guy and he hasn’t even hit his prime yet
Ah yes Brunson and Fournier are noted defensive specialists on the Knicks. At least you’ve got them locked up for 50 million a year. lol. Knicks kept young players they don’t play and pick they aren’t gonna use. No stars want to go there voluntarily and a top 15 guy at age 25 wants to come there and they penny pinch. Knicks have had only one major star this century and they just gave up on another
@ Sam’s
Cavs have failed miserably to address the offense. the offense was 9 points better per 100 possessions with Markannen, Mobley and Allen. Assuming Sexton was good for 22 points (scored 24 in his last full season) and Markannen gave them another 15 they traded away 37 points and whatever Obaji contributed for a Mitchell who scored 26 points and may or may not gel or even want to be in Cleveland. Not a good deal imo.
Haters are not very smart lol. You know that. Not interested in truth. Or honest smart observation. They just want to kill the parade.
Knicks are the big winners in this trade. CLE did OK. If they feel Mobley can be a top 10 player (a rational view), then they have sufficient aggregate talent (with DM) to fix the top of their roster. Knicks weren’t in that position.
Big winners how? Kept young players they don’t play and picks they don’t wanna use. No stars want to go there and they give up on the only one who did. But they do have Fournier, Randle, Barrett and Brunson on 420 million contracts though lol
Real simple. You’re a contender or you’re not. Making the trade meant that the NYK would have virtually no chance to be one for the next 7 years.
As things stand, the NYK payroll situation is fine. Learn the rules and you’ll understand why. Or, you can stay ignorant and lol. All the same to me.
New York might contend in 50 years! lol. Haven’t since 1999 so far
Giving up? Eh, not really. There’s an opportunity cost to not getting DM but not as big as 3 unprotected 1sts.
The whole point of Mitchell was he’d be the FIRST star in. If NYK gave up 3 unprotected 1sts they most likely would be short assets to acquire a second star. And Mitchell on this NY roster as is wasn’t going to be more than a fun 1st round team.
I’ll go ahead and say CLE is a winner here – it made more sense for them to go all-in. If Mobley ends up as good as ppl expect the team will be at least on the cusp of contention.
Which stars want to go to New York voluntarily other than Mitchell?
Not sure haven’t been text messaging the top 10 players in the NBA that much of late
Money we got to burn. Why is that even a point. Randle staying is a Real issue. You can start there if you want real conversation.
Niiice move trading for those Protected picks Rose, brilliant maneuvering giving away the 11th pick why would an elite team like the Knucks need a lottery pick?
You still on about this?
How, months later, do you still not understand the Knicks’ draft day trades? They’ve been explained to you like 50 times and you still keep saying they ‘gave away’ the 11th pick.
& Windbag with yet another amazing scoop! Keep quoting him what a big hot air balloon of a source!
He’s only mentioned in this story for having reported that the Cavs told the Jazz that Garland, Allen, and Mobley were off-limits. None of them were traded. Not sure what the issue is!
I think the issue is some folks will always have an issue :)
Understood, I just think he gets too much visibility.
I really like the trade for CLE, IMO they will be fighting for home court advantage in the East, 4 or 5 seed at least in years to come. So those picks should be low picks.
Sexton is returning from a serious injury and was a RFA, Lauri was a good player but doesn’t move the needle like Donovan and he was in Cle by trading Nance Jr. and a 2nd. The rookie is a mistery, so overall the value of the trade is fair IMHO.
CLE did massively overpay… not a good trade for the Cavs!
Knick fans
Win for the Cavs.
Knick fans crying right now!!
They’re stuck with Fournier, Barrett, Randle and Brunson for years now
I think this is a great move for both teams. The jazz got a way better deal than they would have gotten from the knicks
Not sure what to think. Is Mitchell that much better than Colin Sexton? That’s a lot I guess. Hopefully it turns into something special for the Cavs!
Yes he is much better
No not really
Glade Mitchell was not trade to the Knicks . Did not really fit the team and I want to see how Barrett keeps developing.
Maybe in another 20 years the Knicks might contend
seems your obsessed with the Knicks . I rather not get Donovan than get him and stay a First round exit for years Barret will develop into a star
Knicks fans sound just like the dude that didn’t really have a chance with the hot chick, who after he unsurprisingly doesn’t get the girl, says, “I didn’t want her anyway. She’s a stuck-up beach!”
Wow, Jazz now has 23 players on the roster. Quite a few cuts will have to be made
Trades too most likely – Clarkson, Bogdanovic, Conley obvious candidates
25-year-old three-time All-Stars who were the leading scorer on a Western Conference 1 seed don’t become available often. You do that trade 100 times/100.
Agreed. This was not a massive overpay. Especially compared to the Gobert trade.
Unless you’re from New York
If I were a Mavs fan, I go trade for some of those Utah players Conley, Bojan, Clarkson. Dwight Powell is expiring and barly played in the playoffs and getting wood and mcgee took all his minutes away. Maybe hardway Jr, Powell, Josh green, picks for clarson and Conley?
Utah is tanking they want picks!
Lakers bout to swoop in for some depth and lose two first round picks.
No way any 1st’s are worth any depth out there. Pacers probably just upped their price for Hield and Turner too. Reddish isn’t worth a 1st, even to the Knicks.
Rather sign Melo and some D-Leaguers.
The biggest issue with the Garland and Sexton backcourt was the lack of size and defense, so the Cavs…make a lateral trade in that regard? Sure, they have Okoro and Mobley to pick up the slack on that end of the floor and Mitchell is a clear step up from Sexton, but still. I don’t think this is an automatic win for them until we see how that plays out.
That being said, the price was pretty reasonable and the team is loaded with talent so I can’t fault the move.
EDIT- Forgot to mention Allen. Duh.
I agree on your read. Maybe they are thinking that Donovan was kinda “coasting” ond D in Utah because of he had Rudy and they had poor chemistry. His first and 2nd year he was an ok defensive player. He haslong arms and quickness, maybe in this new young team he gets better on that end.
Agreed. There is some potential there if he commits to that end of the floor, and not needing to do everything offensively may help towards that. Cautiously optimistic is the phrase that comes to mind here.
One other positive is Mitchell being a better shooter than Sexton should help with spacing, especially with Mobley not being a threat from downtown as of right now.
I agree, although I was a proponent of giving SexLand a Vol 2 with Mobley and Allen behind them – I think there could have been potential there. \
I could quibble and ask, “Is Donovan Mitchell (3) unprotected first round picks better than Collin Sexton?” but ultimately it probably makes sense for Cleveland. Might be a tad early to go all-in on the Mobley timeline, but guys like Mitchell don’t become available with 4 years on their deal often, which matters quite a bit when you’re in Cleveland.
Poor Mitchell, who wanted the Knicks. Oh well, Cleveland’s closer to home than SLC!
Are the pick swaps with CLE – Utah or CLE – UTAH – MINN?
Does it matter?
To bad it wasn’t done sooner and the Cavs could have also got some D back in Beverly.
So Ainge demanded Barrett but not Mobley interesting
I don’t know exactly how high Danny Ainge was on RJ Barrett. I thought his main target was Quentin Grimes, which could have been the reason Donovan Mitchell didn’t land up in New York.
Also the amount of unprotected firsts.
No it’s really just teams having a higher asking price from the Knicks for players
Yeah, there’s a conspiracy against the Knicks.
If Woj is correct, then Ainge turned down a vastly superior offer from the Knicks pre-Barrett extension. I thank Ainge for that.
And that just further proves my point about teams having a higher asking price from the Knicks
Just shows you how absolutely terrible these reporters are. Spent months rumoring him to the Knicks without once mentioning the Cavs. Glad it’s finally over.
For real, and also the drama surrounding the Nets with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant.
Although, now reporters are going to focus on Russell Westbrook, and it seems a package with Buddy Hield and Myles Turners to the Lakers for Westbrook makes more sense since a three-team trade did not happen in the Donovan Mitchell trade.
Who cares about back court defense when you have 2 incredibly talented 7 footers to back you up!!!!! Lets goo cavs!!
I love the trade for the Cavs too, BUT the issue with two guards who don’t play defense is running to cover the open three or hustling over to challenge the open three.
Bigs challenge the lay ups and the twos. Guards challenge the threes. Could be a long night in some cases.
This Cavs trade ain’t cavalier at all!!! :)
Slow clap for the Cavs. Passing the tissue box for the Knicks. Always the bridesmaid.
Donovan Mitchell’s most similar players from BR:
Dick McGuire 93.3% similar
Mitch Richmond 89.8
Rod Strickland 89.6
Stephon Marbury 88.8
Damon Stoudamire
Wesley Matthews 87.1
Nick Van Exel 87.1
Charlie Scott 86.8
Johnny Moore 86.7
Kyle Macy 86.5
For not one of those guys would you say…if we just got that guy we could make a run at the title. Bucks gave up a boatload and won the title. Cavs got several wins better but not title contenders. Maybe they have other moves to make but their draft capital is thinned out.
I love this for Cleveland. This could be the move that they needed to jump up into that top tier of the east. Not right away, of course, but Garland and Mobley are still very young. They should grow together and eventually become a force in the east.
Interesting. Not really a fan of this for Cleveland even though all they really gave up, in my opinion, was Agbaji and the picks. I just dont really see that much of a fit, and then they move a piece like Agbaji, who was supposed to help them in an area of need, even with him there, and now they also still need to have something there. I personally see Agbaji as a 4/3, but felt like he would be capable of giving them the shooting they needed on the wing, even though they didnt need him at the 4. Not too worried about their backcourt defense issues b/c they already had that problem anyway, and added Rubio to help there. I do think it does make it harder to figure out the 6th man role (besides Kevin Love), and now this compounds the issue they already had if Sexton started, with too many people needing the ball in their hands on the floor together. I dont see a world where 1 of Garland or Mitchell doesnt start obviously. Levert probably becomes a 6 man in that case, but then who plays on the wing, and the size issue is still prevalent…
For Utah, they get a floor spacing big they needed, a potential 3 and D option at the 4/3, which was needed, especially on the wing, and the picks. They also should probably still move Clakrson, as I’ve been saying, and 1 of their other scoring guards, and hold Conley and Bogdanovic now. They still do need shooting at the 2/3 spots though, and I do think they should have got a 5th year from Sexton for the $68-72 million I had been suggesting for a long time.
I like this for Utah though. I do think teams like Charlotte, Dallas, Washingron, Orlando, and the Spurs should have been in on Mitchell, and probably could have got him for the comparable offers I mentioned earlier in the offseason, although I didnt think Utah would or should trade him, until they moved Beverley, which signaled to me they were having a hard time moving Clarkson and Conley. Here they got pieces they actually need, plus assets, so it just made sense
I agree – I think it’s a win for Cleveland, but with some decent caveats. For one, your point about wing defense is a good one. Mobley and Allen can erase the poor defense of Garland and Mitchell, but can they do that AND erase the damage that will be done by this team lacking any elite perimeter defense.
I think there’s a version of this roster that becomes average defensively because of the lack of perimeter defense, and becomes average offensively because they’re best lineups will always have two non-shooting bigs (unless Mobley develops a 3, which is definitely possible).
I’m not necessarily saying it’s bad for Cleveland, to be honest. I just see it as maybe a marginal upgrade, with an effect on their depth, and giving up assets they either could have used to target pieces that could fit better, or to continue to supplement their roster moving forward.
I forgot to mention Okoro and his versatile defense at the 2/4/1/3 spots, but I think that issue you agreed with defensively on the wing, but more importantly for a roster like this, the spacing issue they already had, is where my concern would be. I do think they’re still a similar defensive team to what they were last year, so good, but could be even stronger worth their core pieces. They’re definitely a good team healthy. I’m just not sure what their best lineups necessarily are, which is something I brought up a couple of months ago as well. I dont see this necessarily making them that much better than they might have already been without this deal, depending on if they address that spot with another outside piece…
I also anticipate Mobley being a good shooter, so I’m not worried about that being an issue for him
Great deal for Cleveland. Basketball fans always overrate draft picks. As good as the Cavs will be now, those are mid 20’s at best. Worth very little. Mitchell’s much, much better than Sexton, Markkanen is easily replaceable. They’re thin and need to stay healthy, but if they do the Cavs are right up there with Philly, Milwaukee, Miami, and Boston at the top of the East. If Mobley continues to get better, they may be the best.
Your probably right on the picks (although you never know – injuries can derail even best of teams’ seasons).
The only thing I’ll say is saving the ammo of your future unprotected firsts MAY have made some sense, just because the unquestioned centerpiece of this roster can’t even drink legally yet.
This will help Lebron away from Cleveland too. The best news all day.
Wasn’t the original Knicks’ offer Fournier, Toppin, an unnamed third player (that was likely Cam Reddish) and 4 first round picks? I feel like Danny Ainge left a better deal on the table there, realized the Knicks weren’t going to budge and went and found a worse deal. But now, he gets to spin it like he’s some kind of GM wizard.
I feel like the Cavs kind of fleeced Ainge on this one. Lauri and Sexton are not important to Cleveland’s long-term plans. I don’t know much about Ochai Agbaji, but the biggest part of the deal seems to be him and the three picks.
It was more picks but more of them were protected. NYK never offered more than two unprotected
Trade or Banish him?
Yeeeeessssss finally. We can go back to building a real team. Well I guess next yrs tank is over. No way Jazz are a bottom 3 team now. Thank god Dolan didn’t step in.
I think they move Sexton by TD. Don’t see him as an Ainge type player.
Love DM so I wish him the best. Cavs have a solid young core now. Not only are they talented. But are still growing together and getting better. Nice move by them.
Jan 15 is the next big day for Knicks. Randle must be celebrating lols.
Do the Jazz have enough picks yet?
Stay tuned, the sale isn’t over yet!
They still have trade chips in Mike Conley, Bojan Bogdanovic, Malik Beasley, and Jordan Clarkson! They also could make some deals involving Stanley Johnson as a salary filler in any trade involving one of the four I listed above. Collin Sexton could also be a trade candidate by the trade deadline.
Knicks were outbid fair and square, and while I was always a proponent of getting Mitchell in the door it was always with the caveat that they shouldn’t give up the majority of their future assets to do so.
To beat Cleveland’s offer would have required that, so it is what it is. To go all-in on Mitchell would have been basically creating Carmelo 2.0 in Manhattan, and if they did that then everyone who’s typing “Knicks Gonna Knick!” …
would also be typing “Knicks Gonna Knick!”
This trade makes a lot more sense for the Cavs than it did for the Knicks tbh. Cavs now have 4 potential all-stars (3 confirmed with Garland, Spyda, Allen and Mobley assuredly will eventually be one). Knicks don’t have that level of talent to be able to sacrifice so much for Mitchell. Cavs were in the position to do so.
Knicks gonna knick is already happening. No stars want to voluntarily go there. Haven’t been a contender for 23 years. Mitchell is a proven and still young player. The Knicks don’t even develop the young talent they’ve got
Stephen A. Smith is going to have a fun day on First Take tomorrow!
My first thought was “WTF IS KOBY THINKING?!?!” Really wanted to run it back with what the Cavs had. But after settling down, it was a solid trade for the Cavs.
Before Cavs lost their AS Center for the season and then a myriad of injuries to important players, the Cavs were 1 GB from Miami at the All-Star break. Compared to that team, the Cavs just upgraded from Lauri to Donovan Mitchell. That’s a HUUUUUGE upgrade. If they stay healthy, they can for sure be a much better team.
Cavs also didn’t seem to prioritize Sexton as a future Cavs player so they probably see that as addition by subtraction . I really liked Lauri but he wasn’t a make or break player. The draft picks will hurt because it limits potential moves to fill the void they have at SF but Okoro is a very good defender that really started to shoot the 3 ball well last season. If his shot continues to develop, the Cavs are in a really good spot. Just have to find a way to fill in the depth.
Wait. So Mitchell was traded to Cleveland? Did the Knicks move to Cleveland? Reports guaranteed that Mitchell was being traded to the Knicks.
In two years time who will be the beast of the east? Cavs or Celtics! As a Celtics fan I hate this trade!
Yes, always count the Heat out.
In two years the Cavaliers will have no draft picks and no cap space.
How many championships has “cap space” won ?
Signed, Golden State Warriors.
Agree Gary, cap space is nice to build your way up to when you have to go “all in”
With Mobley Allen Garland on lock this was a great time for that in Cle- I still haven’t figured out why so many folks have a problem with Minnesota and Cle pushing some chips in the middle .
Truly strange, shouldn’t this stuff be embraced and build excitement for the preceding year? Sometimes ya would never know in here-
Great year in stow for the NBA
We are talking about depth ,we are talking bench,we are talking the ability to hold onto these projected young stars. Note friend I say projected.
If they can’t hold onto these young stars anyways (I disagree) doesn’t it make more sense then to go all in today?
If not, won’t they just be spinning their wheels forever as said projection suggest?
Seems Cle {can’t} win either way here
Told you knicks fans – you didn’t need him anyway.
Garland – all star PG
Allen – all star Center
Mitchell – all star SG (combo G)
Love – all star PF
Mobley – future all star
Do you so called basketball fans. Understand ball….. geeeez.
LeVert is a starting SG in this league.
Rubio is a great backup PG
Cedí is a solid rotation wing.
Okoro has plenty of upside. He has potential to be another all star. 2way player 21 yrs old.
Lopez is an excellent backup Center.
They can move LeVert for more depth. They have their midlevel. Cavs will be much better for yrs to come. Why is that so hard to see.
Takes courage being a winner AL
We are a wee bit low on confidence today societal wise
Nice post
Yeah you’re right. I’m just talking talent and potential. (Up- Side). I see plenty there. This team is young so is still growing and getting better. Mitchell is a star right now. He should elevate everyone’s gm. I look at it like this. Cavs probably don’t get to East finals this yr. But I would not want to be the high seed playing them in 1st rd. I see some good pieces. Just has to come together.
Again. Love is not the player he was 5 years ago.
When the comments are split between “Cavs overpaid” and “they will be significantly improved”, it indicates a balanced trade.
Cleveland is going with a very small backcourt.
This wasn’t today