Bucks GM Jon Horst Talks Turner, Rivers, Sims, More

The Bucks made two of the most surprising moves of the NBA offseason within a single hour on July 1 when they agreed to a four-year deal with free agent center Myles Turner and decided to waive-and-stretch Damian Lillard in order to create the cap room necessary to sign Turner.

Speaking to Eric Nehm of The Athletic, Bucks general manager Jon Horst explained that he and his front office felt as if the moves represented the best way to maximize the team’s window of contention around two-time MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo.

“I think every decision, every move that you make, has risk and reward, so there’s nothing unique about that in this case,” Horst said. “We looked at the opportunity to acquire a highly productive, elite free agent (Turner), who is in the prime of his career, and who is an incredible fit next to Giannis, as an opportunity for these next two seasons in particular, instead of what would have been Dame on our books at a full salary, as really opportunistic, more than anything.

The Bucks will carry annual cap hits of roughly $22.5MM on their books through 2029/30 for Lillard, but Horst believes the gains in both the short and long term will outweigh the compromised flexibility that dead money creates.

“The carry for the following three years, there’s no question that if you want to call it an impediment or another hurdle, that’s fine,” Horst said. “But we were dealing with a really big hurdle and complication that we had to figure out how to deal with now, and the now matters more than anything. Maximizing Giannis’ prime, our opportunities to win, I feel like that’s our responsibility always. So it was really a now versus future decision.”

“That being said, Myles is an incredible player in the prime of his career for four years. So four of those five years, we have Myles Turner, so it wasn’t like we just did something now and then we have to take four years of risk beyond this year and four years of carry without any production. We have four years, at least, of Myles Turner at elite production while that’s on our books. And there (are) other things that we did, there (are) other moves that we made, other players we’re able to acquire because of this move now that I believe will outweigh the carry of the 20-plus million dollars that we have.”

In his wide-ranging conversation with Nehm, which is worth checking out in full if you’re an Athletic subscriber, Horst also touched on several other topics, including how the addition of Turner affects the team’s playing style, why he believes Doc Rivers is still the right coach for the Bucks, and much more.

Here are some of the highlights from Horst:

On his belief in Rivers:

“I think he’s a championship-level coach. He’s the right coach to get us to where we want to go. We haven’t had the results yet in our two years together that we wanted. But it’s been two of the most adversity-filled seasons that I’ve been part of. And we’ve had two really successful regular seasons. To go through the things that we went through, if people actually look at the facts of what we went through over two years — we still finished with a fifth seed and a third seed. Near 50 wins in both seasons. And then we lost to the team that lost in the conference finals two years ago and the team that lost in Game 7 of the (NBA) Finals this year.”

On why the Bucks re-signed Jericho Sims:

“Jericho was one of the best switch defenders in the playoffs. He’s got a limited, limited sample, but I believe that he can do it. He’s an elite rim protector. He’s big, he’s physical, he’s athletic. I think the core four of those guys as a frontcourt is as good as anybody. And I think that it’s largely the way that we’ve been dominant in that space over 10 years. But I also think it gives us a chance to modernize and catch up in some of the other areas as well.”

On using Antetokounmpo in more of a point forward role:

I feel like we’ve always played with a certain type of guard. Typically a guard that’s willing to catch and shoot, a guard that is capable of being a primary play-maker, but doesn’t need to be a primary play-maker. And I think some of our best teams that we’ve ever had — and we’ve had a lot of great teams — we had guys at the guard spot in that mold. They can really shoot. They’re capable and willing defenders, and they could go five, six, seven possessions and just play off Giannis, or they can go five, six, seven possessions and they can initiate our offense.

“And that’s what we’ve tried to do. We tried to build a team like that this offseason. Take the opportunity for Giannis to go even more down that road. I would say we’ve always doubled down on it, maybe we’re tripling down or quadrupling down on it now.

On whether the Bucks have done enough to build a roster capable of contending for a title:

“We’ve done everything, I’ve done everything within my human possible power this offseason. I feel like our group works our butts off. … And so have we done enough? I don’t know. We’ll find out. Have we done everything that we possibly could? Absolutely. And have we done more than anyone else could possibly do? I believe we have. And that’s not an arrogant thing to say. In a very humble way. I think we’ve done as much or more than anyone else could possibly do, and I’m proud of that.

“It’s a really tough Eastern Conference and it’s a really tough NBA and that’s what makes it fun. I think there are other teams that have had great offseasons. But we took our set of circumstances, we evaluated everything we possibly could to have the best possible chance that we could at the upcoming season. And I think we’re in that spot right now.”