Hoops Rumors Community Shootaround 8/19/15
The draft class of 2014 arrived into the NBA with plenty of hype, though that fanfare quickly wore off as many of the draftees struggled to make an impact in the league. Four of the top seven overall picks missed significant time courtesy of injuries, and only three of the top 10 selections assumed starting roles for the squads last season. But it wasn’t all bad for the class of 2014, with Andrew Wiggins, Nikola Mirotic, Elfrid Payton, Bojan Bogdanovic, and Nerlens Noel all showing flashes of potential, and in every case but Wiggins’, exceeding preseason expectations. That’s not to disparage the rookie season that Wiggins put together, but it would have been nearly impossible for the young Canadian to live up to the hype that preceded his first game at Kansas, much less the inclusion of him as the centerpiece of the Timberwolves’ return for star player Kevin Love.
In yesterday’s Shootaround we discussed which players would have breakout second seasons in the league. Today, we take a slightly less optimistic approach, which segues into the topic of the day: Which NBA sophomore will regress the most during the 2015/16 season?
Take to the comments section below to share your thoughts and opinions on which second-year player’s performance will disappoint the most, and more interestingly, why you feel that way. If you are an eternal optimist and believe in your heart that the class of 2014 will rise to heights previously unreachable by mere mortals, we want to hear about that as well. We look forward to what you have to say on these matters.
Note: Since these Shootarounds are meant to be guided by you the reader, we certainly welcome your input on the topics we present. If there is something you’d like to see pop up here for a discussion, shoot me a message at hoopsrumorsmailbag@gmail.com or hit me up on Twitter at @EddieScarito to submit topics or ideas for what we should present in future posts.
Poll: 2013 NBA Draft Take Two (Pick No. 13)
Drafting players is far from an exact science, and many a GM has been second-guessed for his draft night decisions. I’m willing to bet that every team executive has at least one pick that he would like a mulligan for. While life, and the NBA, doesn’t allow for such opportunities, we at Hoops Rumors decided it would be fun to give our readers a second take at picking players, complete with the benefit of hindsight.
The first NBA Draft lottery picks we’re tackling is 2013’s, the year that the Cavaliers surprised quite a few people when they nabbed UNLV forward Anthony Bennett with the No. 1 overall pick. Quite a number of talented players were in that year’s player pool, including Victor Oladipo, Nerlens Noel, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Rudy Gobert, just to rattle off a few.
We’re almost done with our run through the lottery picks, and next up is the Celtics, who owned the Mavericks’ pick that year. Readers, you are now on the clock! Cast your vote for Boston’s pick and check back Thursday night for the results, as well as for your chance to vote for whom the Timberwolves should have snagged with the pick they acquired from the Jazz at No. 14. But don’t limit yourself to a simple button click. Take to the comments section below and share your thoughts on the pick and why you voted the way that you did.
2013 Draft Results thus far:
- Cavaliers: Giannis Antetokounmpo
- Magic: Victor Oladipo
- Wizards: Nerlens Noel
- Hornets: Rudy Gobert
- Suns: Michael Carter-Williams
- 76ers: Ben McLemore
- Kings: Mason Plumlee
- Pistons: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
- Jazz: Dennis Schröder
- Trail Blazers: Allen Crabbe
- 76ers: Shabazz Muhammad
- Thunder: Gorgui Dieng
With the No. 13 Overall Pick the Celtics Select...
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Kelly Olynyk 17% (214)
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Cody Zeller 16% (200)
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Steven Adams 16% (199)
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Alex Len 12% (158)
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Otto Porter 11% (139)
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Tim Hardaway Jr. 9% (109)
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Trey Burke 7% (87)
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Archie Goodwin 6% (77)
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C.J. McCollum 4% (53)
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Anthony Bennett 1% (19)
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Lucas Nogueira 1% (9)
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Reggie Bullock 0% (4)
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Mike Muscala 0% (4)
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Ryan Kelly 0% (3)
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Shane Larkin 0% (2)
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Nemanja Nedovic 0% (2)
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Andre Roberson 0% (1)
Total votes: 1,280
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Note: Thanks to the great responses and feedback that we have received from readers regarding this series, we’re planning on tackling another draft! But we do need your help in deciding which year’s draft to revisit. Take a gander at the choices below and then please vote at the bottom of the page for which draft you want to redo next.
- 1987: David Robinson, Scottie Pippen, Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson, and Reggie Lewis.
- 1996: Allen Iverson, Marcus Camby, Ray Allen, Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, and Shareef Abdur-Rahim.
- 1998: Vince Carter, Dirk Nowitzki, Antawn Jamison, Paul Pierce, Al Harrington, and Rashard Lewis.
- 2003: LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and David West.
The Next NBA Draft I Want Hoops Rumors To Redo Is...
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2003 NBA Draft 37% (227)
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1996 NBA Draft 34% (208)
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1998 NBA Draft 15% (89)
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1987 NBA Draft 14% (86)
Total votes: 610
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Hoops Rumors Chat Transcript
4:04pm: We hosted the weekly live chat.
3:00pm: The Raptors and Jonas Valanciunas are reportedly close to a four-year extension worth more than $60MM, the latest indication that NBA economics are undergoing a metamorphosis. The Lithuanian center is a former No. 5 overall pick, but last season’s pedestrian 12.0 points per game were a career high, and he’s a minus defender, as I examined earlier this month. Extensions usually entail the player making the sacrifice, but Valanciunas appears poised to sign a deal with an average annual value greater than all but one of the players on this past season’s title-winning Warriors team. Still, the projected maximum that Valanciunas could sign for in an extension is $20.4MM, so perhaps Toronto will end up with a bargain after all. We can discuss Valanciunas, the rapidly-changing NBA salary structure, the latest on Jamal Crawford and Jason Terry, and much more in today’s chat.
Teams With The Most Rookie Scale Contracts
The Cavs will be a popular pick for the NBA title this season, and that’ll probably be the case as long as LeBron James is at or near his peak and wearing a Cleveland uniform. However, once the LeBron era winds down, the future looks murky for the Cavs, who are the only NBA team without a player on a rookie scale contract, the sort of deal that first-round picks sign when they join the NBA.
Conversely, the Celtics and Timberwolves aren’t where they want to be yet, but they have no shortage of young talent. They’re tied atop the league with eight players apiece on rookie scale contracts. The C’s arguably have more “future assets” than anybody, since they also have five extra future first-round picks coming their way.
See how all 30 teams stack up in terms of rookie-scale contracts:
- Celtics, 8 (R.J. Hunter, Perry Jones III, Kelly Olynyk, Terry Rozier, Marcus Smart, Jared Sullinger, James Young, Tyler Zeller)
- Timberwolves, 8 (Anthony Bennett, Gorgui Dieng, Tyus Jones, Zach LaVine, Shabazz Muhammad, Adreian Payne, Karl-Anthony Towns, Andrew Wiggins)
- Bucks, 7 (Giannis Antetokounmpo, Michael Carter-Williams, Tyler Ennis, John Henson, Jabari Parker, Miles Plumlee, Rashad Vaughn)
- Magic, 7 (Evan Fournier, Aaron Gordon, Mario Hezonja, Shabazz Napier, Andrew Nicholson, Victor Oladipo, Elfrid Payton)
- Thunder, 6 (Steven Adams, Josh Huestis, Mitch McGary, Cameron Payne, Andre Roberson, Dion Waiters)
- Trail Blazers, 6 (Maurice Harkless, Meyers Leonard, Damian Lillard, C.J. McCollum, Mason Plumlee, Noah Vonleh)*
- Hornets, 5 (P.J. Hairston, Frank Kaminsky, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Jeremy Lamb, Cody Zeller)
- Jazz, 5 (Trey Burke, Dante Exum, Rudy Gobert, Rodney Hood, Trey Lyles)
- Raptors, 5 (Bruno Caboclo, Lucas Nogueira, Terrence Ross, Jonas Valanciunas, Delon Wright)
- Sixers, 5 (Joel Embiid, Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor, Nik Stauskas, Tony Wroten)
- Pistons, 4 (Reggie Bullock, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Andre Drummond, Stanley Johnson)
- Rockets, 4 (Clint Capela, Sam Dekker, Terrence Jones, Donatas Motiejunas)
- Suns, 4 (Devin Booker, Archie Goodwin, Alex Len, T.J. Warren)
- Bulls, 3 (Doug McDermott, Bobby Portis, Tony Snell)
- Lakers, 3 (Larry Nance Jr., Julius Randle, D’Angelo Russell)
- Nets, 3 (Sergey Karasev, Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, Chris McCullough)
- Nuggets, 3 (Gary Harris, Emmanuel Mudiay, Jusuf Nurkic)
- Warriors, 3 (Harrison Barnes, Festus Ezeli, Kevon Looney)
- Wizards, 3 (Bradley Beal, Kelly Oubre, Otto Porter)
- Grizzlies, 2 (Jordan Adams, Jarell Martin)
- Hawks, 2 (Tim Hardaway Jr., Dennis Schröder)
- Knicks, 2 (Jerian Grant, Kristaps Porzingis)
- Pacers, 2 (Myles Turner, Solomon Hill)
- Clippers, 1 (C.J. Wilcox)
- Heat, 1 (Justise Winslow)
- Kings, 2 (Willie Cauley-Stein, Ben McLemore)
- Mavericks, 1 (Justin Anderson)
- Pelicans, 1 (Anthony Davis)*
- Spurs, 1 (Kyle Anderson)
- Cavaliers, 0
* — The rookie scale contracts for Davis and Lillard run through the coming season, but they’ve already signed a maximum-salary extensions that will kick with the 2016/17 season.
The Basketball Insiders salary pages were used in the creation of this post.
Longest-Tenured NBA Head Coaches
The past year has been one of relative stability on NBA benches, as 24 of the 30 head coaches from this time last year are still in their respective jobs. Still, the list of the longest-tenured coaches is noticeably different from when we last compiled it in July 2014.
Gregg Popovich, Erik Spoelstra and Rick Carlisle still occupy the top three spots, but the next three names from last year’s list are all absent from this year’s. The Thunder fired Scott Brooks after he spent nearly seven seasons on the job, and the Pelicans pink-slipped Monty Williams after five years. Most notoriously, the tumultuous relationship between the Bulls and Tom Thibodeau met its end when Chicago terminated the former Coach of the Year. Brooks also won a Coach of the Year award during his time with the Thunder, proving that even in a quiet year for NBA coaching changes, the position simply doesn’t offer much job security.
Jacque Vaughn, the No. 11 coach on last year’s list, was already long gone by the time Brooks, Williams and Thibodeau became unemployed, with the Magic having fired him in February. The Kings ousted 2014 No. 16 Michael Malone two months before Vaughn lost his job, but Malone still appears on this year’s list, all the way down at No. 30, as the Nuggets hired him in June, three months after they fired Brian Shaw, who was the 18th longest tenured coach a year ago.
George Karl, Billy Donovan, Scott Skiles, Alvin Gentry and Fred Hoiberg are the newcomers this year, though rumors that the Kings had already considered firing Karl surfaced earlier this summer. Karl may yet keep his job, but rest assured, the list below won’t look the same by next summer. Here are all 30 NBA coaches ranked by the length of time they’ve been in their respective jobs:
- Gregg Popovich, Spurs: December 1996
- Erik Spoelstra, Heat: April 2008
- Rick Carlisle, Mavericks: May 2008
- Frank Vogel, Pacers: January 2011 (interim; permanent since July 2011)
- Kevin McHale, Rockets: June 2011
- Dwane Casey, Raptors: June 2011
- Randy Wittman, Wizards: January 2012 (interim; permanent since June 2012)
- Terry Stotts, Trail Blazers: August 2012
- Jeff Hornacek, Suns: May 2013
- Mike Budenholzer, Hawks: May 2013
- Steve Clifford, Hornets: May 2013
- Dave Joerger, Grizzlies: June 2013
- Doc Rivers, Clippers: June 2013
- Brad Stevens, Celtics: July 2013
- Brett Brown, Sixers: August 2013
- Stan Van Gundy, Pistons: May 2014
- Steve Kerr, Warriors: May 2014
- Flip Saunders, Timberwolves: June 2014
- Quin Snyder, Jazz: June 2014
- Derek Fisher, Knicks: June 2014
- David Blatt, Cavs: June 2014
- Jason Kidd, Bucks: July 2014
- Lionel Hollins, Nets: July 2014
- Byron Scott, Lakers: July 2014
- George Karl, Kings: February 2015
- Billy Donovan, Thunder: April 30, 2015
- Scott Skiles, Magic: May 29, 2015
- Alvin Gentry, Pelicans: May 31, 2015*
- Fred Hoiberg, Bulls: June 2, 2015
- Michael Malone, Nuggets: June 15, 2015
* — The Pelicans hired Gentry on May 31st, but he didn’t assume the job until after he finished up as an assistant coach for the Warriors in the NBA Finals, by which time the Bulls had brought aboard Fred Hoiberg and the Nuggets had tapped Michael Malone. Still, since coaches whom teams hire in the offseason don’t necessarily begin their work right away, regardless of whether they’re still finishing up other obligations, we’ll list Gentry by his date of hire.
To see how this list has evolved over a longer period time, check out the list from June 2013.
Which of these 30 coaches do you think is least likely to hold his job by this time next year? Leave a comment to let us know.
Trade Candidate: Jamal Crawford
Jamal Crawford apparently wishes he were a free agent, as he said on Twitter earlier this summer, but he still has one more season left on his contract. However, if he wants to leave the Clippers, he seems to stand a decent chance of having that happen for him before next July. The Clippers aren’t eager to trade the two-time Sixth Man of the Year award winner, but they reportedly explored the idea around draft time, and they’ve spent the summer upgrading on the wing, with newcomers Lance Stephenson, Paul Pierce and Wesley Johnson. The Knicks have expressed interest, as Frank Isola of the New York Daily News reported Tuesday, and the Heat and Cavs were apparently interested as of earlier this summer. Crawford is 35 years old and coming off his fewest minutes per game since the 2002/03 season, but it appears there’s still a market for him.
The Heat called the Clippers about Crawford in early July, as Chris Haynes of Cleveland.com reported then, but as Ira Winderman of the Sun Sentinel points out, that was before Miami signed Gerald Green. Bringing in Crawford and his $5.675MM salary would likely commit the team to paying repeat-offender tax penalties this season, Winderman also asserts, though that would probably depend on the nature of the trade they’d make. The Clippers, like the Heat and the Cavs, are above the tax threshold for now, and that would complicate any move, since the salary-matching constraints are stricter for tax teams.
The Knicks are well outside of tax territory, for a change, but they face other challenges. The Knicks don’t have any trade exceptions, so they’d have to send players to the Clippers to make a trade work. Only four Knicks players — Carmelo Anthony, Jose Calderon, Langston Galloway and Cleanthony Early — are currently eligible for inclusion in trades. First-round picks Kristaps Porzingis and Jerian Grant join them later this month, but that’s still not much to choose from. Calderon seems like the most logical candidate, given that the Clippers would be somewhat short on backup point guard options if Crawford weren’t there anymore, but the Clips would have to send additional salary to New York to make that a match. Porzingis would be an intriguing option for a Clippers team that doesn’t have much young talent coming up the pipeline, but the Knicks would be ill-advised to trade this year’s No. 4 overall pick for a 35-year-old who’s a year away from free agency. As Isola suggested, the involvement of a third team might be necessary if the Knicks are to somehow end up with Crawford.
The Cavaliers also only have four players eligible to be traded — Kyrie Irving, Anderson Varejao, Timofey Mozgov and Joe Harris — but they have a trade exception worth $10,522,500 that they can use to take in Crawford without giving up a player in return. That trade exception is a vestige of the Brendan Haywood contract that the Cavs were thinking about sending to the Clips when Cleveland looked into trading for Crawford in early July, as Marc Stein of ESPN.com reported then. The exception makes it easier for the teams to facilitate a deal, since the Clippers would have had to include additional salary along with Crawford to take in Haywood’s contract. Still, it would be difficult for the Clippers to give up Crawford without receiving a player who can help them in their quest for a championship this year. Teams only get so many legitimate cracks at a title, and the Clips would surely be loath to downgrade their talent just as they seem as close as they’ve ever been to the Larry O’Brien trophy.
That’s ostensibly why the Clippers aren’t anxious to trade Crawford in the first place. They’re probably not going to do a deal unless it benefits them on the court, and while Crawford could always pout or become a disruptive force in the locker room, he has yet to air his grievances beyond relatively innocuous social media interaction. The Clippers could nonetheless use some size behind DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin. They added Cole Aldrich through free agency, but Aldrich hasn’t proven to be the sort of player who could fill in as the starter for a championship-level team if Jordan or Griffin is injured for any significant stretch of time. That would make Varejao, despite injury concerns of his own, intriguing for the Clippers. It’s unclear just what sort of role a healthy Varejao would play for the Cavs this season, especially with Tristan Thompson‘s free agency still unresolved, but if Thompson comes back, Varejao would be relatively expendable. Of course, the Brazilian is also tight with LeBron James, and the Cavs would have to question the wisdom of sending one of LeBron’s friends to a contending team in a major market with warm weather. The Clips would also have to send additional salary to Cleveland to make a Varejao deal work.
Josh McRoberts and Chris Andersen offer no such salary-matching concerns, and they, like Varejao, would help deepen the Clippers up front. The Heat have no shortage of big men, with McRoberts, Andersen, Chris Bosh, Hassan Whiteside, Amar’e Stoudemire and Udonis Haslem all on the roster, so it would seem fertile ground for a trade is there. I’d contend that if the Heat were to trade McRoberts or Andersen for Crawford, they’d be no more committed to paying the tax than they otherwise would be, since it would entail an almost even exchange of salaries, and Crawford would appear to be a more intriguing trade chip to offer around the league if the Heat can’t find another way to slip under the tax line before the trade deadline. Crawford would give the Heat a strong alternative at shooting guard on the nights that Dwyane Wade can’t go. The addition of Crawford would make it easier for the team to play more small-ball lineups and for Miami to trade Mario Chalmers, currently Miami’s only proven option at the point behind Goran Dragic.
Regardless, it’s a seller’s market for Crawford. The Clippers wield the power, and if they want to mend fences with him, they can always pursue extension talks, as I pointed out earlier. Teams like the Heat, Cavs and Knicks will have to come to Clips coach/executive Doc Rivers, and not the other way around.
What do you think a good trade idea for Crawford might be? Leave a comment to share your thoughts.
Players With Trade Kickers
Trade kickers are contractual clauses that pay players a bonus when they’re traded, and they represent one of the tools teams have to differentiate their free agent offers from the deals competing clubs put on the table. NBA teams combined to include trade kickers in 11 new free agent contracts this summer, comprising more than a third of the trade kickers currently on the books across the league.
They’re often used to woo stars, like LaMarcus Aldridge and DeAndre Jordan, both of whom have trade kickers worth 15% of their new deals. It seems unlikely that either of them will be traded anytime soon, but their kickers offer further deterrence against a trade as well as the possibility that their maximum-salary contracts will become even more lucrative than they already are. Neither Aldridge nor Jordan would see their bonuses if they were traded this season, since they can’t make more than the maximum salaries their contracts already call for, but if they’re traded in subsequent years, when the maximum salaries are projected to shoot skyward, their kickers would come into play.
Trade kickers aren’t the exclusive purview of the NBA’s most well-paid players. The agents for Alan Anderson, Matthew Dellavedova and Brandan Wright all negotiated trade kickers into the relatively modest deals those players signed this past offseason. Dellavedova wields the double hammer of a trade kicker and the ability to veto trades, making it highly improbable he gets moved this season.
Sometimes a trade kicker is included in an offer sheet that a team makes to a restricted free agent in hopes that the bonus will dissuade the player’s original team from matching. That appears to have been the case with Enes Kanter, who signed an offer sheet with the Trail Blazers that included a trade kicker. In Kanter’s case, the ploy didn’t work, as the Thunder matched anyway.
Most trade kickers are worth 15%, the highest percentage allowed. The trade kicker that Tyreke Evans is unusual, as it calls for him to see either a set amount ($1MM) or 15% of the value of his contract, whichever is less.
Some players with trade kickers were involved in swaps over the summer. They can be traded again, but they won’t receive any extra money if that happens, so they’re not listed here. Below is a list of every NBA player with an active trade kicker, listed alphabetically, with the details of the kickers in parentheses. Players who signed deals this summer are marked with an asterisk.
- *LaMarcus Aldridge, Trail Blazers (15%)
- *Alan Anderson, Wizards (15%)
- Carmelo Anthony, Knicks (15%)
- Bojan Bogdanovic, Nets (15%)
- Kobe Bryant, Lakers (15%)
- *Jimmy Butler, Bulls (5%)
- Vince Carter, Grizzlies (15%)
- *Matthew Dellavedova, Cavaliers (15%)
- Luol Deng, Heat (15%)
- Tyreke Evans, Pelicans (lesser of 15% or $1MM — so, the bonus would be $1MM until midway through the 2016/17 season)
- *Danilo Gallinari, Nuggets (15%)
- *Marc Gasol, Grizzlies (15%)
- Pau Gasol, Bulls (15%)
- Eric Gordon, Pelicans (15%)
- Blake Griffin, Clippers (15%)
- Gordon Hayward, Jazz (15%)
- Kirk Hinrich, Bulls (15%)
- Dwight Howard, Rockets (15%)
- Andre Iguodala, Warriors (15%)
- Kyrie Irving, Cavaliers (15%)
- *LeBron James, Cavaliers (15%)
- *DeAndre Jordan, Clippers (15%)
- *Enes Kanter, Thunder (15%)
- Nikola Mirotic, Bulls (15%)
- Chandler Parsons, Mavericks (15%)
- Chris Paul, Clippers (15%)
- J.J. Redick, Clippers (5%)
- Derrick Rose, Bulls (15%)
- Jeff Teague, Hawks (10%)
- Anderson Varejao, Cavaliers (5%)
- *Brandan Wright, Grizzlies (15%)
- *Thaddeus Young, Nets (15%)
The Basketball Insiders salary pages were used in the creation of this post.
Poll: 2013 NBA Draft Take Two (Pick No. 12)
Drafting players is far from an exact science, and many a GM has been second-guessed for his draft night decisions. I’m willing to bet that every team executive has at least one pick that he would like a mulligan for. While life, and the NBA, doesn’t allow for such opportunities, we at Hoops Rumors decided it would be fun to give our readers a second take at picking players, complete with the benefit of hindsight.
The first NBA Draft lottery picks we’re tackling is 2013’s, the year that the Cavaliers surprised quite a few people when they nabbed UNLV forward Anthony Bennett with the No. 1 overall pick. Quite a number of talented players were in that year’s player pool, including Victor Oladipo, Nerlens Noel, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and Rudy Gobert, just to rattle off a few.
In the days ahead, we’ll be posting a series of reader polls that will ask you to vote on the player whom you believe should have been selected with each pick in the 2013 Draft lottery. We’ll continue onward with the Thunder, who held the 12th overall pick that season. Readers, you are now on the clock! Cast your vote for Oklahoma City’s pick and check back Wednesday night for the results, as well as for your chance to vote for whom the Celtics should have taken at No. 13 with the pick they acquired from Dallas. But don’t limit yourself to a simple button click. Take to the comments section below and share your thoughts on the pick and why you voted the way that you did. Also, if I fail to list a player who you think should be selected, feel free to post that in the comments section and I’ll be certain to tally those votes as well.
Draft Results thus far:
- Cavaliers: Giannis Antetokounmpo
- Magic: Victor Oladipo
- Wizards: Nerlens Noel
- Hornets: Rudy Gobert
- Suns: Michael Carter-Williams
- 76ers: Ben McLemore
- Kings: Mason Plumlee
- Pistons: Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
- Jazz: Dennis Schröder
- Trail Blazers: Allen Crabbe
- Sixers: Shabazz Muhammad
With the No. 12 Pick the Thunder Select...
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Gorgui Dieng 22% (275)
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Steven Adams 17% (215)
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Lucas Nogueira 15% (186)
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Tim Hardaway Jr. 9% (115)
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Alex Len 8% (105)
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Otto Porter 7% (91)
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Trey Burke 5% (68)
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Kelly Olynyk 5% (68)
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C.J. McCollum 3% (40)
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Anthony Bennett 3% (39)
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Cody Zeller 2% (22)
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Mike Muscala 2% (22)
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Archie Goodwin 1% (11)
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Ray McCallum 0% (5)
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Ryan Kelly 0% (5)
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Andre Roberson 0% (5)
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Shane Larkin 0% (4)
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Nemanja Nedovic 0% (3)
Total votes: 1,279
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Players Eligible For Veteran Extensions
Al Horford isn’t going to talk contract with the Hawks until after the season, as he told Chris Vivlamore of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, but the idea that the big man, whose contract expires next summer, isn’t anxious to entertain an extension shouldn’t alarm Hawks fans. An extension for Horford, like most top-tier veterans, would entail a financial sacrifice so profound that it essentially precludes any legitimate consideration of the idea.
Veterans are only eligible to receive a starting salary of 7.5% more than the salary in the final season of the contract under its existing terms, or, in special cases, the contract’s average salary. Teams with cap room can go beyond these constraints, via a renegotiation, but the circumstances that lead to that are so rarely in place that when the Nuggets pulled off renegotiations with Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari this summer, they were only the first and second renegotiations under the 2011 collective bargaining agreement.
Veteran extensions aren’t like rookie scale extensions, which allow players to sign for up to the maximum salary. Plus, veteran extensions can cover no more than three additional seasons, whereas rookie scale extensions can run as long as five. Rookie scale extensions more closely resemble free agent deals. Horford could sign a five-year contract in free agency next summer starting at as much as $24.9MM, the projected max for a player with his level of experience. A veteran extension for Horford would entail the equivalent of a three-year contract starting at only $12.9MM. The choice is clear.
The same logic would apply to Serge Ibaka, who just today joined the ranks of those eligible for a veteran extension. That’s not so for Jeff Green, who wouldn’t realistically be able to command a max contract next summer. He’ll become eligible for a veteran extension Saturday, and it would be reasonable to envision him signing one with the Grizzlies between now and the expiration of his contract next June 30th.
Further limiting the scope of veteran extensions is the fact that a player may only sign one if he’s been under his existing contract for three years, or once three years have passed since the last time he signed an extension. That means any contract that doesn’t run at least four seasons can’t be extended. The complete list of players currently eligible for veteran extensions is below:
- Ryan Anderson, Pelicans
- Nicolas Batum, Hornets*
- Mike Conley, Grizzlies
- Jamal Crawford, Clippers
- Jared Dudley, Wizards*
- Kevin Durant, Thunder
- Eric Gordon, Pelicans
- Blake Griffin, Clippers
- Raymond Felton, Mavericks
- Roy Hibbert, Lakers*
- George Hill, Pacers
- Al Horford, Hawks
- Serge Ibaka, Thunder
- Ersan Ilyasova, Pistons*
- Joe Johnson, Nets
- Courtney Lee, Grizzlies
- David Lee, Celtics*
- Ian Mahinmi, Pacers
- Nene, Wizards
- Joakim Noah, Bulls
- Steve Novak, Thunder*
- Derrick Rose, Bulls
- Gerald Wallace, Sixers*
- Russell Westbrook, Thunder
The following players will become eligible for veteran extensions soon:
- Jeff Green (Grizzlies) becomes extension-eligible on Saturday.
- Ty Lawson (Rockets) becomes extension-eligible on October 30th.*
- Stephen Curry (Warriors) becomes extension-eligible on October 31st.
- DeMar DeRozan (Raptors) becomes extension-eligible on October 31st.
- Taj Gibson (Bulls) becomes extension-eligible on October 31st.
- James Harden (Rockets) becomes extension-eligible on October 31st.
- Jrue Holiday (Pelicans) becomes extension-eligible on October 31st.
See the list of players eligible for rookie scale extensions right here.
* — These players have been traded within the last six months, so they face further constraints. Veteran extensions for them can cover only two seasons, and the starting salary can be no more than 4.5% greater than the salary in the last season in the existing contract.
Keeping in mind that veteran stars have no financial motivation to sign an extension, which player or players on this list do you think would be strong extension candidates? Leave a comment to tell us.